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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:06 AM
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The Price of Election Fraud-- The Cost of Complacency
An interesting thread today: discussion with Mark Crispin Miller, author of "The Bush Dyslexicon" and a new one coming out on the 2004 election.

What is the cost of American complacency, aided and abetted by the media blackout on the "sour grapes" story of another stolen election. By January and Senator Boxer's brave stand in the U.S. Senate, even on DU the discussion was over and it was time to "move on" to "NEXT TIME."

M.C. Miller was motivated to write this new book after the 2004 election and will do much to raise the issue in the public consciousness. In the DU conversation today he said:

"We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive."

Are we OK with that? Is that in keeping with our supposed faith in Constitution and Founders and Framers? Or is that the comfortable complacency of the Stockholm Syndrome-- willing captives entranced by their captors?

Given the damage done by the current administration day by day and month by month over the past year, is the blind faith in "Next Time" justified, or merely reassuring?

:patriot: :kick:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5253576

"We tend to think of many of our fellow-citizens as apathetic because, let's face it, we too live inside "the media bubble," which represents us to ourselves (and to the whole wide world) as far less discontented than we really are.

"Now, it is surely true that people should be more than discontented. They should be actively protesting and resisting. (Although there too the media tunes out what protest and resistance HAS welled up.) On the other hand, the system has radically depoliticized us, training us to watch and, if we can afford it, shop, and little else. We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive.

"Just remember that the situation is a lot more fluid, and potentially explosive, than it appears to be on CNN and in the New York Times. The elites have fallen out with one another——a clash that now provides us with a most important opportunity to say things that have been verboten for too long. The iron is hot. It's therefore crucial that we not despair, or paralyze ourselves with undue worries vis-a-vis the seeming or alleged indifference of "the masses."

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:13 AM
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1. Great Post. n.t
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:18 AM
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3. Well whaddya think TP2004?
I know you got a lot to say.

:hi:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:18 AM
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2. "it was time to "move on" to "NEXT TIME.".... like they'll be a next time!
It's been 12 months since the 2004 election. That's really not that long for those who believe a crime was committed. In fact, the 57,000 black Floridians who were taken off the registered voter lists in 2000 by the improper "felon purge" ala Jeb were victims of a race crime. They were denied the vote due to their race. And guess what, in 2004 Florida outsourced it's "felon purge" list and was about to do it again until Matt Pascarella of www.GregPalast.com caught them and forced a halt to it.

That's just the start of the crimes of 2000 and 2004!

Let me ask anyone wanting to move on a couple of questions:

Does subverting democracy by denying people their vote count as a crime?

If yes:

Do you forget crimes after 12 months. "Oh, golly, someone torched my house a year ago, I'll just forget about it." "Oh golly, there's a serial killer on the lose, let's move on, it's been 12 months."

There were crimes committed. They were primarily against minority voters. They changed the election IMHO.

We need to get real and we will, I predict in Spring when * hits 28% approval, ELECTION FRAUD 2000 and 2004 will break open and form the rational for a) removing * and replacing him with someone reasonable and b) ultimately, removing his court and other long term appointee picks (at the height of impeachment it was 72% approve-28% disapprove of Clinton, I presume those 28% are *'s core voters;)

In the spirit if Inspector Jalvert, I say lock the bastards up!

Here's somebody doing something about insuring election integrity in 2006 and spending a of time, energy, and money to do so for USAll
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00067.htm
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:24 AM
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4. Well yeah see, that's the problem
We a little too cozy with the status quo? Every day counts. What would it have taken for us to reclaim our country in November or January?

Thanks for your post and the info, autorank
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:30 AM
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5. Thanks for your post. This stuff belongs in the GD's...it's a national
issue...what's more fundamental.

There is such a gap between those involved as citizens and the elected and appointed officials.

I'm quoting him poorly, but DU's Land Shark says, it's the people not the politicians who are the guardians of the vote.

They do their thing, we do ours.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:40 AM
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6. Elections that are for sale aren't free
That's another poor quote of Tom Hayden (no sure if it was "for sale" "bought and paid for" you get the drift)

If the media is bought and paid for and not representing reality or The People

If the (majority in) Congress is bought and paid for and not representing reality or The People

then yes-- we are the guardians of the vote. Where were we? An awful lot of people were buying into waiting for (or working hard toward) Next Time....

Since one year ago the question has been: Why was there nothing that could be done to correct the fixed election; why was there nothing in the System to provide the mechanism to do this; why was there nothing MORE that anyone could have done, given that every hour of every day of every month since then has meant more death and destruction, more disinformation, more disassemblement of the nation that we pretend to believe in and that legislators pretend to represent?

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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:18 AM
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8. What would it take to re-take the WH now? Every day DOES count
...and '06 and '08 "hope" (with flawed machines) just not enough to hang our hopes on.

Perhaps, me thinks, it's time to move "2004 Election" (Revisisted) site to DU front page again. Clearly the country (including many Repugs) are ready for change.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:22 AM
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9. The question is why this has stood for a year and there is no recourse
and meanwhile the acceptance of the American people makes all the difference.

:patriot:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:04 AM
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7. "We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue"
"We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive."

:kick:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:06 PM
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10. That line is so true and it hit me over and over when I read this. n.t
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:09 PM
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11. It's pathetic to admit we are fat rats in a warm cage
:patriot:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 09:11 PM
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12. Erm-- what was the question?
:boring:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 09:29 PM
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13. "Just remember that
the situation is a lot more fluid, and potentially explosive, than it appears to be on CNN and in the New York Times."


Good advice.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:42 PM
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14. Easy out
This still needs to be addressed.....

"We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive."

.....or at least discussed or mayb acknowledged......

not ACCEPTED

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:11 PM
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15. Edited transcript posted on DU Homepage 11-5
:hi:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 07:52 PM
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16. It is NOT in keeping with our Constitution and the "blind faith" in
next time is neither wise nor warranted. All signs point to nothing has changed and next time will be the same as the last time. Perhaps our complacently is comforting and prolongs the inevitable crisis.

"They should be actively protesting and resisting." I love that line and the "situation is a lot more fluid, and potentially explosive..." that's true.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:03 AM
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17. Apparently Americans don't like to take responsibility
:smoke:
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:59 AM
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18. It was Henry David Thoreau...
... who said, "Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them."

I think there are a number of factors at work, without any one of them being dominant. First, human nature being such as it is, people without the inclination to inform themselves end up being force-fed information by the news media, and on the whole, people are more credulous than skeptical. In the current climate, that means there is a pipeline for that information going from the government to the media to the individual's eyes and ears.

Second, television is a very powerful medium--so powerful that people have consistently misread and misinterpreted Marshall McLuhan's famous aphorism as "the medium is the message." What McLuhan actually said, I believe, is "the medium is the massage." What I'm suggesting is that even if elections were strictly on the up-and-up, our political choices still would be enormously limited because of the machine politics and campaign funding systems which have evolved over time. As long as near-unlimited campaign money is so closely tied to the power of television to influence opinion, we're not going to easily see the way political power is played out--the signal-to-noise ratio is pretty small, due to stage managing of many different kinds. There's very little cinema verite' in politics today.

Third, the right wing has embraced the recommendations of Lewis Powell in 1971 and poured many billions of dollars into an effort to convince the masses that they should be concerned about the same things which concern the wealthy--that their concerns should be one and the same. The inevitable consequence of that effort is a society which no longer thinks and acts, politically, in its own interests; rather, it acts politically in favor of the interests of the wealthy. That strategy has further fractured the society into one- or two-issue voters which then can be more easily manipulated--mostly by television media. The effect of that effort is that politicians are considered electable on the basis of how closely they adhere to the common interests--which, are, by extension, the interests of the wealthy elite, at root.

Fourth, ever since the advent of the national security state, almost sixty years ago, both sides of the aisle have used the political equivalent of shouting "fire" in a crowded theater to pay for that security state. When the NSC advised Truman that defense spending would have to rise to wartime levels, three to four times peacetime spending, to counter the Soviet threat they had conjured up, Truman asked Sen. Arthur Vandenberg how he was to get the people to go along with such a plan. Vandenberg replied, "scare the hell out of `em."
That's exactly what they did, and they're still doing it. So, for much of that time, the general population has lived in a kind of muted and indistinct state of fear. And, as Robert Jay Lifton has concluded, continued existence in such a state induces not a flight or fight response, but, rather, a psychic paralysis.

As a political strategy with a single objective of winning at all costs, all this has worked well to consolidate power for the benefit of the wealthy elite--regardless of the candidates' political affiliations. At least, it worked well up until they began to overreach (as in the current administration). This is why MCM thinks there's a sufficient flame of rage to keep the pot boiling, and finally, boiling over.

There may be enough of that to encourage voters to throw some of the worst of the culprits out of office--perhaps even enough to change party control of one or both houses of Congress, but it's not enough to change the actual balance of power weighted toward the wealthy elite compared to the rest of us, and that's where I have a difference of opinion with MCM.

To my mind, there won't be the sort of change imagined until the middle class comes to identify more with the poor than with the wealthy elite, and economic hardship is likely the only thing that will accomplish that. The instructive lesson here is 1932. FDR didn't change much, but he did change enough. His administration managed two things which kept the country on an even keel for a long time--regulation of capital and a modest redistribution of income downwards via the tax system and government spending. It's been the principal aim of the wealthy elite, ever since, to chip away at those impositions on them--mostly by seducing both political parties with money to aid their campaigns--and they've been highly successful at it, because they have convinced the middle class to adopt their values.

Right now, political differences--on matters essential and elemental to the welfare of the country--are ones of finer and finer degree. The Republicans pass legislation stating there are 1012 angels on the head of a pin, and the Democrats argue heatedly for 944. A tiny minority in Congress are saying, "who cares? There are people hungry and cold and we're fighting wars to enrich the wealthy elite and using taxpayer funds to pay corporations for moving jobs offshore. Why?"

It's a pretty nasty conclusion, I realize, but the only thing that has turned around a situation in the past such as we have now, in fundamental ways, is economic hardship for the middle class at a time when the government is devoted to enriching the wealthy elite. A rumbling belly is metaphorically and literally distracting from all the other political noise. In the current economic milieu, the middle class can sympathize with the poor, but they empathize with the wealthy elite.

People have always voted with their pocketbooks, and they always will. Many here are often consternated at the so-called soccer moms voting for the candidates who say they will provide them with security. When they are already secure, economically, they want to stay that way. That's as fundamentally conservative a notion as I can imagine. But, when there's no soccer because the car's been repossessed, there's no money for gas, anyway, and the next meal is iffy, their notions about security become radically altered. And, that's when they're ready to listen to common sense about good government and sound policy. But, probably not until that time will they do so.

Cheers.





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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:01 PM
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19. Every time I'm ready to hang up my DU propellor beanie
some lucid, insightful post like this comes along.

You have the perspective and have provided an apt checklist of the forces at work in service to TPTB. I would like to tweak it in a couple places:

"...even if elections were strictly on the up-and-up, our political choices still would be enormously limited because of the machine politics and campaign funding systems which have evolved over time. As long as near-unlimited campaign money is so closely tied to the power of television to influence opinion, we're not going to easily see the way political power is played out--the signal-to-noise ratio is pretty small, due to stage managing of many different kinds."

Campaign finance reform is essential. Could be a good focus because all other issues will derive and benefit from that reform.

"To my mind, there won't be the sort of change imagined until the middle class comes to identify more with the poor than with the wealthy elite, and economic hardship is likely the only thing that will accomplish that."

"It's a pretty nasty conclusion, I realize, but the only thing that has turned around a situation in the past such as we have now, in fundamental ways, is economic hardship for the middle class at a time when the government is devoted to enriching the wealthy elite."

The problem that I have (aware of the timeline similarly to you) is that all this has been turned around in a relatively short period of time-- perpetrated bald-facedly and dependent on the complicity of the populace, willing to be bamboozled. The posts on DU that say that maybe it's GOOD that things are getting so bad so people will snap out of it, are really disturbing. Partly because, if we have watched this process unfold before our eyes, we are WAY beyond numerous outrages that we thought would be enough to wake people up.

The truism that "those who do not remember the past...." but we have reached a level of people not even remembering the day before YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

"A rumbling belly is metaphorically and literally distracting from all the other political noise. In the current economic milieu, the middle class can sympathize with the poor, but they empathize with the wealthy elite."

"When they are already secure, economically, they want to stay that way. That's as fundamentally conservative a notion as I can imagine."

And yet THEY ARE NOT SECURE AND THEY KNOW IT. Americans are overextended on credit and a paycheck or two away from disaster. Feeling "secure" is just denial. And not comprehending the economic realities of daily life is being miseducated and remaining misinformed. Can we all use that as an excuse for being oblivious? Too busy?

I still don't see the people who have this all figured out taking responsiblity for actually doing something about it. It seems abstracted-- we're always talking about other Americans, somewhere out there, who fall for this crap and we know better and are waiting for THEM to wake up.

Doesn't make rational sense. We are "them." We let the elections be hijacked. We think there will be a next time. We are in denial. We think someone out there has to wake up and someone else out there is fixing things for us.

And that's how the bastards win.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:04 AM
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21. I would disagree, only mildly, on a couple of points...
... first, that this political phenomenon in which we find ourselves has been sudden. What has happened recently is a confluence of forces that have been at work for sixty years. That is the nature of the national security state--all the tools necessary to impose authoritarian government are implicit in it--it only takes a president with the will to use them. Here's an example. Clinton chose to make government somewhat more open by encouraging his Justice Department to facilitate FOIA requests and to begin a process of declassifying and reclassifying classified documents and by setting up an appeal board to challenge classifications. All that was done by administrative fiat--the Executive Order. Bush, on the other hand, used the same administrative fiat to close down the FOIA process as much as possible and ordered new classified strategies which put many more (several million) documents out of reach of the public.

Second, as for those soccer moms, etc., knowing that they are insecure, I wonder. Precisely because they believe themselves to be economically secure (I'm not saying that their belief is founded upon a bedrock definition of economic security), they are inclined toward the authoritarian figure of Bush, who says to them, frequently and forcefully, "I'm the only person who can protect you from evil forces," forces which might take away their social and economic security. That was the same routine as with the communists in the `50s. As well, that's the overriding fear of the wealthy elite--that some outside or internal force will take their wealth from them and/or change the system which enables their wealth. That's a part of what I mean about the empathies and sympathies of the middle class. There is also the very human tendency to want to believe that life will go on just as it has, that the job will always be there, the raises to compensate for inflation will continue, that no one will get sick and that (as the Republicans have tried to stress for thirty years) the only forces to interfere in the operation of one's daily life are the government, first, and those nebulous outside threats, next.

Third, as for those figuring it out not making the changes, perhaps that goes back to the nature of the political system which has evolved in this country, as I mentioned. One of the characteristics of politics today that wasn't envisioned by the founders is the fractious nature of political parties. They always have been fractious--by definition--they are just much more so today. That fractiousness is now part of Congress. The Senate and House rules now accommodate that party system. It controls the committee structure, too.

There are many here who say, "why don't the Democrats do something?" Part, but not all, of that answer lies in the party system rules. We're faced with a current administration--like Nixon's--which will not produce documents and witnesses to Congress voluntarily. Subpoena power, however, rests only with the chairman of a committee (and therefore, his party). The situation today is unique compared to times past, with both houses of Congress, the Presidency and much of the courts controlled by one party. That makes it much more difficult to make changes in a country still presumably ruled by law. So, perhaps, it's not wholly a matter of those knowing what changes need to be applied not doing anything, but, rather, being hamstrung by the very system of rule of law they respect.

On the latter point, I emphasize that it's only part of the problem. The other part comes back to the system of money in politics and its corrupting influence--not only of those easily corrupted (the DeLays of the world)--but those who come into the system with high ideals, and once in it, find themselves mostly unelectable without that system. The latter group want themselves to be seen as they think they are, not what they have become. That's why they campaign as they do, but vote for bills antithetical to the causes they espouse when campaigning.

Maybe that last paragraph applies to what you are saying about some referring to others as the "them" that need to get it, finally. Information doesn't flow in neat, simple ways. Because of television, and the extreme stage-managing that goes into it, information and image get mixed together. George Bush has been able to get close enough to grab two elections because he's been (until recently) packaged to near-perfection. People are receptive to his message because it has been packaged well (no matter if the packaging is deceptive--that's the power of television advertising today).

There are many people, solid middle-class people, who, when asked if they approve of the details of Bush's plans, stripped of the hokum, are horrified by them. But, they're still taken in by the advertising. It was Joseph Bessimer, a con man of the 1880s, who said, "There's a sucker born every minute, but none of them die." People are taken in by the package.

Quite apart from the glitz of television campaigning, because of the party structure, we're often not able to vote for the best candidate (for example, in, I believe, thirty-seven states, one is not able to vote in a primary as an independent and, to vote at all, one must declare party affiliation just to receive a partisan primary ballot--at a crucial step in the electoral process, we're denied the opportunity to choose from the entire array of possible candidates). Finally, because so many people get their information on candidates from television, corporate television gets to be the gatekeeper, often based on how much money a candidate spends on ads (national public television, ironically, will not give any time to national candidates). Also, because the networks are all part of other corporate enterprises with agendas of their own, the filtration becomes even more inhibitory to the basic political process.

So, some of us may "know" what's wrong (and we should all be mindful that the use of that word, know, is relative and mutable and subject to new fact), but we're not heard by those most in need of that information. Their attention has been captured by other means.

Your point about being too busy, I think, is true. The pace of life has quickened (for example, Americans now spend more time on the job than workers in any other country, including Japan, and that's just the official count and doesn't include the time spent on work away from the workplace). We also spend more time commuting to and from work, because the roads are more crowded, or because we're living increasingly further from the workplace. We're all encouraged to do the best for our children, because the costs of education are much higher and the competition for the best schools has increased, so the prototypical soccer mom isn't just shuttling kids to soccer, she's also taking them to tutors, music lessons, Little League, dance classes, etc., in the attempt to provide everything necessary for them to be successful, to cover every possible base--and for their kids to fit into the society we're making for them.

Lost in that is the time to read, consider and talk about the government which is shaping that society. That's why the Republicans' "Healthy Forest Initiative" and "Clear Skies Initiative" and "Operation Iraqi Freedom" have or have had some initial appeal--because they're intended to be headline/soundbite snapshots of what they are not, but many average people delve no further than the title in the headline--they assume, from the positive-sounding name, that it's a good thing. CNN created Headline News for such people--people who think that fifteen minutes of fifteen-second news clips fully informs them about the domestic and international affairs they believe they should know about--without taking much of their time. Are they really well-informed? No, obviously not. But, they believe they are.

That problem is exacerbated further by the fractious nature of party politics today. Most people (not all) avoid conflict. Talk radio, some cable networks and the Republican Party, particularly, have encouraged the concept of politics as a blood sport, and that discourages many people from having political conversations with their neighbors because they fear confrontation. Many people, too, don't want their minds changed--as Reagan said, "facts are stupid things," to them. So, they're further disabled from getting and comparing information with others. This is much unlike other societies. In France, for example, political discussion is virtually the national pastime. People spend a great deal of their spare time arguing politics with their friends and neighbors. They may be equally provincial in their views as citizens of other countries, but they do inform each other.

That's part of why I think real change comes only when events and the effect of government policies become either personal to or so readily apparent to the middle class that they cannot be ignored. Americans are insulated, informationally, from the rest of the world, but they're also insulated, politically, from each other. That's by design.

Cheers.







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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:06 AM
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22. We are not in disagreement
and although I appreciate you describing all the reasons for the complacency and complicity in thoughtful detail, I would hope I have already indicated that I get it. And still, those reasons are not excuse enough; still there is a sense of abstraction-- that as we dissect and describe, we are always talking about 'someone else' 'out there somewhere;' still my question remains unanswered:

from OP:
In the DU conversation today he said:

"We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive."

Are we OK with that? Is that in keeping with our supposed faith in Constitution and Founders and Framers? Or is that the comfortable complacency of the Stockholm Syndrome-- willing captives entranced by their captors?

Given the damage done by the current administration day by day and month by month over the past year, is the blind faith in "Next Time" justified, or merely reassuring?"

This is not answered (by DU) or even acknowledged. At some point we have to take responsibility to bootstrap our own awareness-- as does every other American who chooses not to be a comfy, cozy, total hypocrite-- and bypass, shortcircuit, derail, uninsert, cough up all the myriad reasons that we have for ignoring reality and getting on with our daily lives, while the system we live within plays out as a hollow symbol of what we pretend to believe that it means. THAT is American pride; that is American values. :patriot:

You misunderstand if you think by "relatively short period of time" that I think this happened recently. I indicated I am "aware of the timeline similarly to you." In the golden years of the American economy (prior to Reagan) adults remembered the Great Depression. The Big Lie and Reaganomics that are his "great" legacy have been foreseeable for decades to bring us to exactly where we are right now. Who raised a whimper in that "relatively short period of time?"

from previous post:
(The problem that I have (aware of the timeline similarly to you) is that all this has been turned around in a relatively short period of time-- perpetrated bald-facedly and dependent on the complicity of the populace, willing to be bamboozled. The posts on DU that say that maybe it's GOOD that things are getting so bad so people will snap out of it, are really disturbing. Partly because, if we have watched this process unfold before our eyes, we are WAY beyond numerous outrages that we thought would be enough to wake people up.)

Katrina is a prime example of how bamboozled the public is and how willingly. We had cultural genocide beamed into out living rooms and PEOPLE DID NOT SEE WHAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THEIR EYES.

We had two elections hijacked and PEOPLE DID NOT SEE WHAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THEIR EYES.

You think that middle class people feel secure, in a neurotic, rats scrambling in the maze sort of way? because THEY DO NOT SEE WHAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THEIR EYES.

All of these excuses, letting people off the hook from paying attention and being responsible for their own awareness and actions. All these abstractions, letting us off the hook from acknowledging that "the masses" are not some faceless, amorphous blob of humanity out there on the horizon. We "R" the masses.

from MCM:

"We tend to think of many of our fellow-citizens as apathetic because, let's face it, we too live inside "the media bubble," which represents us to ourselves (and to the whole wide world) as far less discontented than we really are.

"Now, it is surely true that people should be more than discontented. They should be actively protesting and resisting. (Although there too the media tunes out what protest and resistance HAS welled up.) On the other hand, the system has radically depoliticized us, training us to watch and, if we can afford it, shop, and little else. We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive.

"Just remember that the situation is a lot more fluid, and potentially explosive, than it appears to be on CNN and in the New York Times. The elites have fallen out with one another——a clash that now provides us with a most important opportunity to say things that have been verboten for too long. The iron is hot. It's therefore crucial that we not despair, or paralyze ourselves with undue worries vis-a-vis the seeming or alleged indifference of "the masses."

He may be correct that the iron is hot. There may come a shift and a brighter day.

Even so, this complacency and complicity of the American people will be a black spot on our history. We would do well to explore the causes, in order to learn and adjust our behavior so that in the future, we may avoid these deadly affects THAT SUPPOSEDLY FINALLY GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION.

:kick:

You point out:

"That's part of why I think real change comes only when events and the effect of government policies become either personal to or so readily apparent to the middle class that they cannot be ignored. Americans are insulated, informationally, from the rest of the world, but they're also insulated, politically, from each other. That's by design."

That's by design and delivery system. WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY INTO IT. We don't have to think that it is enough to identify and itemize it. We need to grow some new BULLSHIT PROTECTORS and quit MISEDUCATING CHILDREN and DISAPPEARING HISTORY so that we are capable of assessing "events and the effect of government policies" so that they "become either personal to or so readily apparent to the middle class that they cannot be ignored."

from previous post:
(I still don't see the people who have this all figured out taking responsiblity for actually doing something about it. It seems abstracted-- we're always talking about other Americans, somewhere out there, who fall for this crap and we know better and are waiting for THEM to wake up.

(Doesn't make rational sense. We are "them." We let the elections be hijacked. We think there will be a next time. We are in denial. We think someone out there has to wake up and someone else out there is fixing things for us.
And that's how the bastards win.)

We're not dependent entirely on elected officials to "do something." If they are not representing us, it is time for "we the people" to represent. And quit making excuses.

:patriot:


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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:07 PM
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23. Well, this will be a bit hard to explain...
... since I'm beginning to run out of examples without diving into dangerous territory--generalizing from particulars.

First, we are not necessarily "them." That's partly why I kept harping on the fractured and fractious nature of society today. There are camps of thought around the country (there always have been, but not so nearly as unwilling to compromise as today). Some, to my mind, "get" it. Some do not. Those people, for example, who are yelling themselves hoarse about the need for genuine election reform "get" it. The mainstream media and the complacent politicians who ignore the potential (or actual) dangers and the people who believe them form a camp of thought that, to my mind, doesn't get it.

Many people did see real horror in the aftermath of Katrina. That doesn't mean they all saw and felt the same thing. Some saw helpless people at the mercy of an indifferent and paralyzed government. Others saw looters, crime and a breakdown of society that could possibly hurt them.

What you are witnessing, I think, is the result of the fractures which have been promoted and encouraged by the right wing. It's inconceivable to you that with such powerful evidence of the need for change that a majority of people aren't demanding it. I think a slim majority of them now are. They're not, however, being heard. In a representative democracy--which is what we are--we get opportunities every two and four years to show our pleasure or displeasure with elected officials.

Or to run for office ourselves. I think many more progressives should be running for office. But, as I've previously tried to explain, there are reasons for the difficulties in getting to office. Those were reasons, not excuses. They are facts--they do exist, not just in theory, but in practice, as well. I've seen it in all the states in which I've lived, as I'm sure you have, too.

So, any suggestion that "we the people" should represent ourselves if our elected leaders do not represent us any longer still requires us to operate through the system in existence today. The alternative is open revolution.

So, for the moment, we discount the latter option. People who "get it" still have to get into the system before they can change it. Here's a short story which should serve to explain what I mean. I recall, in the 2002 election cycle, a fellow who was running for Congress, very clean, very idealistic, who was invited by his party to attend, a few months prior to the primary, a two-day workshop in DC on how to go about winning his election. He said that almost from the moment he walked in the door, he was provided with a legislative lobbyist who was assigned to him to guide him every step of the way. He balked at this, and politely told the lobbyist he didn't need any assistance. This was reported to the party officials running that workshop, and from then on, he got no answers to his questions, he was shunned by many others attending the workshop, and he went home a bit confused and disillusioned. Afterwards, he got little help from his state party and he did not prevail in the primary.

Now, add that into all the other things I've mentioned about how the electoral process actually works, the party machine politics, the ability of the two major parties to control access to media (it is no accident that third-party candidates cannot participate in national debates), the corporate influence of the media itself, and you can see that it's a long, slow process to change the political milieu in Washington.

What we're facing today are the changes wrought by the right wing over a period of thirty-five years. I mark it in that way because one of the most powerful documents in modern history was written in 1971, the so-called Powell Manifesto. The right wing used that document as a game plan to change the way the country thinks, to involve the Christian right wing in politics in a way that it had previously thought of as unseemly, and to begin the process of getting favored politicians into the system and, finally, of changing the system itself. The corporate mavens and their wealthy heirs devoted many billions of dollars over time to create the network which made all of this possible, without expectation of immediate results--they kept pouring money into their network until they got the results they wanted--a corporately-controlled one-party government.

So, for progressives to change both parties, it's going to take an even greater, and possibly longer, effort than the right has mounted for over three decades (I say longer because some of what the right wing has done is now institutionalized in government, whereas when they started it was not). And yet, the so-called wealthy left tends to fund individual-issue groups and then, typically, only funds the bare necessities and withholds funding if immediate results aren't forthcoming (and expecting any gravy to come from the public in the form of small donations). (Believe me, this is the way it works--I've personal experience in how tough it is to get money out of more liberal foundations for non-profit efforts).

The other option, as it has been since 1776, is a revolution. Today, the power and sophistication of the military can be turned on the populace, so anything suggesting violence is certainly a call to general slaughter. The other effective way to bring the government to change is a prolonged general strike. If corporations run the government, then perhaps the government will notice that corporations are being hurt. Do you think there's sufficient solidarity for a large, general strike in this country, for any length of time? I don't.

And, this is why I think, quite rationally, that some other organizing principle will finally cause the middle class to emerge from its "media bubble" as MCM calls it and notice the reality around them. To my mind, that organizing principle is the recognition that they themselves have been hurt by the government policies instituted by the government, either recently or over time. And in a real, demonstrable way, rather than that they've had their feelings hurt by a government which didn't ban abortion, etc. (Pick any issue in the culture wars.)

Right now, we're reliving the Roaring Twenties, and it's difficult, if not impossible, to convince people that it won't go on forever--just as it was impossible in 1927. Then, too, there was gross inequity, with a high number of rural poor who weren't noticed by their more affluent counterparts in the cities, for example. There was gross collusion and corruption between business and government, for the enrichment of business, and even after the crash, Hoover refused to raise taxes on the rich, because he believed they were the engines of industry, refused to run a temporary deficit to help the economy recover and instead raised taxes on the middle class (something that's been done in creeping fashion for the last twenty years).

Now, for a few of those particulars with which to generalize. I live in a very red part of a slightly red state, in a somewhat smallish city (less than 50,000 population). I see many, many newish cars on the road, and, given the location, lots of rather expensive trucks. Home prices here, as elsewhere, have risen dramatically, except for the poorest neighborhoods (in which I live), in part because there's been a push on the part of the local government to advertise the area as a retirement community.

There's a general appearance of increasing wealth in the community, but it's underwritten by an immense amount of debt. The average wage in the city, reported last year, was $6.70/hr. It's a very stratified community, with some upper middle class and lots of working poor. And yet, with economic circumstances already poor or hinging on high amounts of debt, they consistently vote for--by substantial margins--some of the worst people in Congress. By and large, my sense is that they think it will never end, and for that reason, continue to vote for the people whom they think have made it possible.

That's another part of why I think as I do. I don't just see all these trends and attitudes nationally. I also see them playing out locally, as well.

Cheers.


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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:36 PM
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24. I am interested in the personal aspect of the political.
The point at which each individual is "okay" -- or not-- with the statement from MCM:

"...the system has radically depoliticized us, training us to watch and, if we can afford it, shop, and little else. We've therefore long since lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive."

Okay, if as you say "First, we are not necessarily "them,"" who is this "we" that MCM is invoking?

(Pardon me, I am having a bit of fun there :evilgrin: but I mean it!)

How spoiled are "we"-- if we sit there and nod and say "Oh yes, we've lost the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive." No, I don't think those who go along with that sort of talk really mean "we"-- they mean "they." They mean all those befuddled folks out there who don't get it like "we" do.

“What you are witnessing, I think, is the result of the fractures which have been promoted and encouraged by the right wing. It's inconceivable to you that with such powerful evidence of the need for change that a majority of people aren't demanding it.”

That’s not it. It’s not inconceivable to me that a majority of people aren’t demanding change. What I question is the tendency for people who ARE aware of the “powerful evidence” to be willing to wait for someone else to make changes for them. And in the meantime nod their heads when some progressive tells them they’ve lost their civic virtue. How hypocritical is that?

So we are back to ALL those reasons that you have elucidated so brilliantly. Why we CAN’T act, why our leaders DON’T or WON’T lead, why our options are limited. But why let ourselves believe that there is nothing we can do and we've “lost our civic virtue, and the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive"?

THAT IS THE COMPLACENCY. If we believe that about ourselves and go along with oppression or allow someone to say that about us, HOW DO WE THEN PRETEND THAT WE CARE ABOUT AND ARE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING OR MAKE ANY CHANGES?


“So, any suggestion that "we the people" should represent ourselves if our elected leaders do not represent us any longer still requires us to operate through the system in existence today. The alternative is open revolution.”

This is not the only option. Thinking so provides another easy out for a lot of young people who are going along to get along and think they will get radical when the time comes-- which you have pointed out will be too little, way too late.

“The other option, as it has been since 1776, is a revolution. Today, the power and sophistication of the military can be turned on the populace, so anything suggesting violence is certainly a call to general slaughter. The other effective way to bring the government to change is a prolonged general strike. If corporations run the government, then perhaps the government will notice that corporations are being hurt. Do you think there's sufficient solidarity for a large, general strike in this country, for any length of time? I don't.”

Since we are now referred to as “consumers” rather than “citizens” why WOULDN’T that be the way to go? One option that we have as individuals, families and communities IS to vote with our pocket book. Would it have to be a “large, general strike in this country” for it to make a difference and bring change? Not necessarily-- especially it if provides a way for people to empower themselves.

“That's part of why I think real change comes only when events and the effect of government policies become either personal to or so readily apparent to the middle class that they cannot be ignored. Americans are insulated, informationally, from the rest of the world, but they're also insulated, politically, from each other. That's by design.”

This is by design and also a relatively recent development. Do those who nod their heads when told “we” have lost civic virtue, remember doing anything to RESIST those designs when they were perpetrated upon us? Don’t we have any responsibility? We just lap up what we’re spoon fed and Keep the Soma coming!?

“To my mind, that organizing principle is the recognition that they themselves have been hurt by the government policies instituted by the government, either recently or over time.”

The absence of “civic virtue” is hinged on what people mean when they say “people won’t care until it affects them.” TPTB have drawn that circle tighter and tighter until MCM can claim we’ve lost “...the necessary habit of saying NO when things become oppressive."

People are isolated and afraid and disempowered and disconnected and miseducated. There was a time when people understood that we are interconnected; that “when it affects you” is something that occurs before it reaches your doorstep or your bloody gas tank; a time when people understood that that IS civic virtue.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:36 AM
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20. kick. nt.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 12:45 AM
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25. "Dissent without resistance is consent"- Thoreau
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