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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 08:51 PM
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Harry Reid Says: Class Warfare, Bring it On Baby
Well, I’m paraphrasing a bit there, but Harry Reid sounded like a real Democrat in his floor speech attacking the immoral piece of garbage otherwise known as the “Republican budget reconciliation bill”:

Here’s the pertinent passages (the whole thing is posted on his blog, “Give Em Hell Harry”;)
http://giveemhellharry.com/blog/47/wrong-values-wrong-priorities


“The budget and these reconciliation bills are based on the wrong values, harming vulnerable Americans to provide tax breaks for special interests and multi-millionaires.
………
In essence, …… a budget is a moral document. Unfortunately, the Republican budget is an immoral document. That’s not my term…. That’s the conclusion of some of our nation’s leading religious leaders who, citing Scripture and the Bible, have urged all of us to oppose this budget reconciliation process. As Bishop Mark Hansen, the Presiding Bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America put it, “This is not the time to cut…important programs while using the cuts to pay for tax breaks for those who don’t need them.”

And why? Why are we using expedited procedures for cuts that will harm millions of seniors and working Americans?

Is it to reduce the deficit? No.
Is it to pay for Katrina? No.
Is it to prepare for the Avian Flu? No.

It’s to provide congressional Republicans fiscal cover today so they can turn around tomorrow to provide tax breaks to special interests and multi-millionaires.

Let me be more specific. The capital gains and dividend tax breaks in the Republican budget would provide 53 percent of its benefits to those with incomes greater than $1 million. Those lucky few will get an average tax break of about $35,000.

But what about those with incomes between, say, $50- and $200,000? Well, they’ll get an average tax cut of $112.

And what about those with incomes less than $50,000? .......
$6 dollars for those earning less than $50,000.

And to partially pay for these tax breaks, many Republicans now want to cut Medicare. cut Medicaid. Cut agriculture. Cut housing. Cut student loans. Cut child support enforcement. Cut services that Katrina survivors rely on. Cut benefits needed by our nation’s most vulnerable Americans.

Mr. President, now you know why some of our nation’s most respected religious leaders call this budget immoral. These choices do not reflect the best of America’s values. This is not what most Americans would want.”


YOU TELL ‘EM, HARRY! That’s how I like Democrats to sound: Like they actually care about average Americans!!

My new way of supporting Harry is to write comments on his blog. The more it looks like Harry has lots of people reading his blog and supporting him, the more power he’ll have. You can add your comment right at the end of his speech at the link above.

What if 100,000 people write in and say “Go, Harry, I agree with you 100%”? That kind of response will help him whip the Wall Street Democrats like Schumer and Joementum into shape. It’ll also give the Republicans some pause (“Holy Cow”, I can hear them saying, “could it be that some Americans are actually paying attention to what we’re doing??? Oh shit!). There were 500+ responses to Harry’s blog about shutting down the Senate. Given DU's large readership, we could easily produce 1000 comments, just by us alone. All you have to do is write a sentence or two. It's a nice easy way of flexing some “people power”.

What say you, DU'ers?? Can you spare a line or two for Harry as he fights Bush and the whole immoral gaggle of Republicans who prop him up??
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 08:54 PM
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1. Sure it's class warfare
The Republicans are the ones who declared it.

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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:07 PM
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8. You got that right! War on the working class ...
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:49 PM
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43. Even republican Lou Dobbs knows its a war on the
working class! GO HARRY!!:thumbsup:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 08:59 PM
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2. Good idea. Sure. Give em hell Harry! nm
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:03 PM
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3. The FatCrookedRat Class vs the American Class n/t
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:05 AM
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24. well said
sure it's class warfare, against the American class.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:03 PM
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4. Done.
I posted more than a couple lines though.:)
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 10:21 PM
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12. The more lines the better
The poor guy needs all the encouragement and support he can get. That idiot David Brooks in a NY Times launched a vicious personal attack on him -- and it was all based on lies! Harry is getting to them -- they're getting really ugly now!
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:03 PM
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5. C'MON, PEOPLE...
I just followed your suggestion -- I was the first one to post the suggested message. Let's see some other DUers spreading the message!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:44 PM
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10. yeah
Like your spirit. And those jumping green guys.
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:04 PM
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6. Done!
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:05 PM
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7. I've said this before...
"It's class warfare when the lower classes start shooting BACK."
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verdalaven Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:15 PM
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9. I grabbed my calculator
because I was curious. Forgive me if my math or logic is off.

$1,000,000 = $35,000 tax cut....a cut of .035%

$200,000 - .035% tax cut should be $7000

$50,000 - .035% tax cut should be $1750

Man, they are ripping us off blind.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:06 AM
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30. That's because...
... it's capital gains and dividend tax breaks, not income. People who earn less than $50,00 won't see much of that -- and that's the whole idea.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:47 PM
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11. Go Reid!
He's fired up baby! And he's right. If you're going to go around and claim you're a Christian like the republicans it's totally immoral to let poor people stay poor without helping them when you can. I'm so glad that Reid is using religion too against them. *sigh* :loveya:
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 11:11 PM
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13. yes, citing Christian values was a nice touch
A couple of people cited biblical passages in their comments to him on his blog. Kind of cool reading it.

Those hyprocritical Republicans -- it really galls me.....
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:04 AM
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14. Harry is really impressing me
and I was as big a skeptic of him as they come
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:12 AM
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15. Good for him!
They started the war, and it's about time we had a leader who is willing to fight. Thanks for posting, I'm going to his blog now. This is news I've been waiting to hear for 5 years, and I think the majority of Americans are willing to listen.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:13 AM
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16. He grew up astoundingly disadvantaged
He had a true hardscrabble upbringing.

He is the Right Man
in the Right Place
at the Right time

I BELIEVE in him.... I REALLY DO.
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:14 AM
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17. He's on point as usual.
Edited on Fri Nov-04-05 12:14 AM by nickshepDEM
The sad thing is, too many Americans are either A. Too stupid to understand or B. Dont give a shit. Just as long as they get their extra 50 - 200 dollars every April they'll continue to vote against their best interest and continue to struggle... Day in and day out. Wake the fuck up people!
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:22 AM
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18. done.
It's about time this became a visible point. Krugman and others have been pointing it out for years.
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Mechatanketra Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:38 AM
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19. This is as starkly drawn as I've ever heard from a party Dem.
The capital gains and dividend tax breaks in the Republican budget would provide 53 percent of its benefits to those with incomes greater than $1 million. Those lucky few will get an average tax break of about $35,000.

But what about those with incomes between, say, $50- and $200,000? Well, they’ll get an average tax cut of $112. And what about those with incomes less than $50,000? ... $6 dollars for those earning less than $50,000.

And to partially pay for these tax breaks, many Republicans now want to cut Medicare. cut Medicaid. Cut agriculture. Cut housing. Cut student loans. Cut child support enforcement. Cut services that Katrina survivors rely on. Cut benefits needed by our nation’s most vulnerable Americans.

By gum I think he's got it. :think:

Unfortunately, what's said on the Senate floor is too ephemeral. What the Dems, and indeed the country, really needs is a "Truth.com" style media effort to hammer home this simple message. Replace the "average" figures with median figures, and add an estimation for those with incomes greater than $1B for an even clearer picture. To get mean, throw in the numbers Bush, Cheney, and other major proponents stand to skim from their own bills. Then stick it in a 30-second spot and play it every single day until people get the idea.

That'd be worth more than every single campaign ad that will be made in 2006 put together.
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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 12:49 AM
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20. I love you Harry
We need more of this :popcorn:
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:13 AM
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21. Bill Clinton also *triangulated* on the issue of Republicans...
...and tax breaks for millionaires at the DNC 2004:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-07-27-bill-clnton-text_x.htm

For the first time when America was in a war footing in our whole history, they gave two huge tax cuts, nearly half of which went to the top 1% of us.

Now, I'm in that group for the first time in my life.

And you might remember that when I was in office, on occasion, the Republicans were kind of mean to me.

But as soon as I got out and made money, I became part of the most important group in the world to them. It was amazing. I never thought I'd be so well cared for by the president and the Republicans in Congress. I almost sent them a thank you note for my tax cuts until I realized that the rest of you were paying the bill for it. And then I thought better of it.

Now look at the choices they made, choices they believed in. They chose to protect my tax cut at all costs while withholding promised funding to the Leave No Child Behind Act, leaving 2.1 million children behind.

They chose to protect my tax cut, while cutting 140,000 unemployed workers out of their job training programs, 100,000 working families out of their child care assistance, and worst of all, while cutting 300,000 poor children out of their after-school programs when we know it keeps them off the streets, out of trouble, in school, learning, going to college and having a good life.

They chose — they chose to protect my tax cuts while dramatically raising the out-of-pocket costs of health care to our veterans and while weakening or reversing very important environmental measures that Al Gore and I put into place, everything from clean air to the protection of our forests.

Now, in this time, everyone in America had to sacrifice except the wealthiest Americans. And most of us, almost all of us, from Republicans to independents and Democrats, we wanted to be asked to do our part, too. But all they asked us to do was to expend the energy necessary to open the envelopes containing our tax cuts. Now, if you like these choices and you agree with them, you should vote to return them to the White House and the Congress. If not, take a look at John Kerry, John Edwards and the Democrats. We've got a different economic policy.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 01:30 AM
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22. Excellent idea!
:yourock:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:02 AM
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23. The most infuriating thing of all about the lies of the far right
Edited on Fri Nov-04-05 08:03 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
is their barefaced audacity in claiming Adam Smith as their guru!

Smith's so-called "Hidden Hand" does not refer to the market/market forces, but to MORALITY. In fact, Smith was not an economist, but a moral philosopher.

Little wonder then that he warned against allowing businessmen into politics, since, as he observed, they will pursue their own narrow material self-interest to the detriment of society. Imagine what he'd think of their arbitrary authority over the electoral process! And as for what he'd think of the "snakes in suits" running the likes of Halliburton, Bechtel and the Carlyle Group, with their no-bid contracts, it just doesn't bear thinking about.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:23 AM
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25. WOW!!... an 0.11 cent PER WEEK tax cut for the working class!!
Who said Republicans aren't looking out for the average working class slob?!?!? Meanwhile Pillboy pockets $35 GRAND per year for his efforts.

Jesus.....
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:38 AM
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26. Every ten weeks you can buy a decent candy bar with that.
/sarcasm
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:47 AM
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27. Forget the candy bar...
You can by a package of Ramen Soup once a week on that, and in ten weeks you can get TWO, all a poor person needs nowadays after all. :sarcasm:
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 09:52 AM
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29. NOT including the US CREDIT card. $30.00 per week LOST.
Well, $29.89?
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 08:57 AM
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28. Populism IS the answer
to Democratic majorities as far as the eye can see. Contary to opinion, the extremist rethugs started the class war and the full effects of this will be felt by the People this winter. Its gonna be ugly and we need to make it loud and clear that this is what happens when you vote for corporate puppets. Screw the dlc, they are wrong, wrong, wrong. Populism IS the winning issue!
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:39 PM
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37. Agreed.
Edited on Fri Nov-04-05 05:41 PM by Zodiak Ironfist
Populism tastes bad to progressives when it comes to social issues, but we win EVERY TIME on populist economic issues; why do you think the Pukes talk about social issues and ignore economic ones?

At present, the Pukes have the populist's hearts, but their dwindling pocketbooks will return them to bread and butter issues for generations to come IF someone is willing to speak out for it. Don't expect it to come from the DLC.

We need a strong, populist voice from the left. I just hope we can overcome the tendency of populists to promote religion and religiously-derived social issues.
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:25 AM
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31. Done.
Thanks for the heads up.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:56 AM
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32. Why didn't Reid vote for the Byrd Amendment which would
have stripped the H-1B visa increase from the bill?

How does Reid's vote for the Bankruptcy Bill square with "the best of American values"?

Inquiring minds...
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:03 PM
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33. Don't know about the first one
But on the Bankruptcy bill, I imagine it was because there are lots of credit-card industry jobs in Nevada (I forget which bank set up operations there). Since it was going to pass anyway, I guess he chose not to get in more trouble back at home. This is my guess -- I'm not entirely sure. (There were tons of Dems who voted for it for that reason -- the two in Delaware, what's-his-name (Nelson??) from Nebraska, etc.)

Yes, I know it stinks. That bill was an abomination.

Politics sucks. But I still think he's the best we've got.
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toad12 Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:05 PM
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34. I posted my comment, thanks for bringing this up (eom)
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Gronk Groks Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 03:35 PM
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35. Wrote on the Blog and the rest of you can too...
...show this man some respect. Once Harry starts you can be sure he won't stop until there is nothing left.

Get ready to RUMBLE !!!
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 04:39 PM
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36. Done...
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:48 PM
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38. Finally, something I can be proud of regarding the ELCA - the bishop's
statement is so true. We need more religious leaders to stand up and say how wrong and immoral this is.
Actually, lots of them ARE saying it, but because they are not Reich Wingers, they are being largely ignored.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:08 PM
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39. I check for Harry every day on C-Span
I don't want to miss him fighting for us and telling his "friends" on the other side of the aisle what they're doing to the American people and calling them out on their duplicity and spin. I actually cheer him on lol. He was totally awesome today! Don't stop fighting and givin 'em hell Harry!!
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 09:29 AM
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41. I just love the guy
If you're so inclined, you can sign up on his blog to get e-mail messages from him. From now on, every time he posts on his blog, I'm gonna write a comment just to help show people are listening to him. (By the way, Frist has a blog now -- only 1 person reponded to his last post -- HA! -- Harry's getting 100-700 responses lately!)
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 06:45 PM
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42. Thanks for the info
I'll look up his blog and sign up. Frist should know it's all over for him and pack it up. It would be so nice if we could pick our own Senators instead of being stuck with someone like Frist (which I am).
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:13 PM
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40. We all need bumper stickers that say
Give 'em hell Harry!

I'd buy one in a second.

Artists?!
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