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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 05:16 PM
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I was reading last night about Libby and how much he loved the
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 06:04 PM by applegrove
book "A Man Called Intrepid" by William Stephenson. About an aid to Churchill who worked being the scenes of Washington & the USA - with Roosevelt - to get the USA into WWII. Also Churchill & his crew of "seers".I guessed that neocons were anglophiles but never knew how much.

Thing is that anglophilia is built on the same myths that America is. Well not the same myths.. but on myths. You understand.

This "outside" look at the USA - a look at the thinking of a part of the world without the veil of "Loving your Country" & its myths like so much history, and US history is, would have been like a mind bomb.
It must have seemed like so much "candy" to the neocons to be going outside the practice of US thinking and norms. But really - they just traded one myth for another.

Canadians, who signed up on day 3 of the WWII, felt so much embarrassment at the USA not signing up again. For sure Canada had its own myths..and that was easily demonstrated to us by how the "Empire" thinking didn't flow so easily to Quebec and the people there. Trudeau was a conscientious objector to WWII.

Someone narcissistic like Stephenson was a perfect agent. He was also given to grandiose thinking and padding his own story. A generation of Canadians read his book before the scholars said "hey take it with a grain of salt - he drank his own kool-aid often". He had a habit of putting himself in key moments of history - and those were his myths - and obviously his need.

Unlike the myths of countries - where the 'in-love' is about history & shared identity, with Stephenson it was 'in-love' with self. Narcissism.

Perhaps that is part of what attracted Libby. Canadians were attracted to the story because William Stephenson was Canadian and we of course loved to see that "Canadians" had a much stronger role in saving the world (especially one up-ing the US of A). Again - mythical.

If you love something or someone - it is amazing the lengths you will go to protect them - family. And to feel protected. We all know that "being in love" is a state of slight delusion. Sociopaths and depressives see the world without all the joy. And doctors say they will see it clearer.

So too - Libby & the neocon's love of themselves and the special knowledge and intriguing power that would give them - to shape the world. The love of greatness. We all want to see ourselves reflected for who we are. Or for who we strive to be. The danger is in dealing with people who love themselves and covet not "us" but their own greatness. And for sociopaths that makes for contempt - cause they see us as looking through rosy colored glasses and see it as expendable and wasteful.

Perhaps they do make greater political operatives & intelligence operatives. But they, by loving themselves before all else, care not one wit for the greater good. Cause the greater good has no part in their 'self myths'. So they, the narcissists, should never lead. They should never be at the helm of every area of governance and in every important position.

And that brings me back to Stephenson. And tricking Americans into war. Perhaps the likes of Britain and Stephenson make it more palatable to be American. At a time when America did not lift a finger to help the people of Europe. Sometimes you grab onto a new myth (could be totally based in fact - the myth is just something you love). So early day neocons had much anxiety to deal with in terms of identity. And no doubt they rejected a good portion of the American public who ignored the plight of the European Jews, Gypsies, mentally ill or challenged & lesser know cultures, races or religions.

But Canada didn't go to war over human rights violations in Europe. Neither did Australia, New Zealand, India, and Europe. We all went to war in those first few weeks after Poland was attacked because our myths, the places we loved were being attacked by aggressive Hitler who wanted to remake ALL OF IT, and with it our European heritage. British children were sent across the ocean for safe-keeping. Refugees, living under the threat of annihilation were turned away from ports of safety again and again - well into the war. Till it became politically expedient once the West was involved in the war. Later on in the war - it became apparent what was going on with civilians on the ground - the genocide.

The real victims of war - the civilians decimated in many ways & the soldiers on the ground and the families who suffered - they were the ones who were in control of the myths after the war. Their truths became ours. And a generation did much to avoid war and teach about genocide and fight against it. They also fought hard against narcissism and aggression. No surprise it was people who knew the war first hand who fought McCarthy. So the truth won out in the cold war - but not by wars - by reality. By the forest for the trees that generation knew by heart. By the greater truths making it to the forefront across the world.. socialism in any form is not the only answer. But in many instances around the world - certain contained socialist ideals work best to solve certain problems. Like Health Care. Like Peacekeepers at the UN. Like UN population & health programs. Like investing in science for the less developed nations to solve their problems. Like a transfer of wealth every generation to ensure a healthy democracy.

And that is how the world handled the horrors of WWII. By including the truths about the danger of narcissists and the horrors of war in our international institutions. Pretty smart on the whole - after the fact. We have to love each other all the time. And stand up to aggression. There is evil in the world. Evil is bad.

The neocons, like Libby, have done much to take American Isolation that they hated so much and turn it into aggression. And in fighting Hitler and studying him - they have turned into the narcissists and try and turn the country into the narcissists - they have built the world into what they are most interested in. A narcissistic playground where they stand at the pinnacles of events and take bold action. Mano a mano or narcissist against narcissist. Power against power. And America is not supposed to be anything put a powerhouse. Where neocon myths rule the people and their neocon truths are reflected back at them. A way to try to be human if you are selfish - impose your views on people you really detest. But any adult knows that you find your way into truth & comforting myths of being human (love) by being part of your family & community and going with that. And it is very long and takes much hard work. But it is the only thing that has ever worked.

If people are not at the top of your truth-myths you should not lead. You sure as hell should not have spent 20 years to build up a situation where you rule all. You should not rule people who really detest. You should share what knowledge you have. Not hide it to make others smaller and you stronger in relative terms. That is relativeness - but it is not love.. of your country or yourself.

Loving yourself is to be able to speak your truth and stand alone or with a group with that. Loving yourself is passing on all you know.

So sorry the neocons decided to control rather than teach what they though was great. Seeming great was more important to them than being great and making those around them greater. Sometimes you even learn things from those around you who truly know you - rather than simply following those who share your brittle myths (I have to be in power) and spreading lies to the ones you hate(that corporations can police themselves using the market while they are monopolies - so little people need not worry).

I'm so sorry Libby, Cheney, Wolfowitz & the like are learning the lessons of adulthood at this late juncture in life. You see that narcissist have their own built in myths too - the myth that how people are hurt and how they struggle to survive & cope & learn in their world - how they believe, practice, love, work, share, commune, learn, does not matter. That all this can be controlled. That it is "stuff" in the way.

It matters a great deal how we pass on myths/truths to each other. How we feel. It is who we are as human beings.


You know - we hold these truths to be self evident. Like the bible - context changes but the underlying message "we hold these truths to be self evident" should not.
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