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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:27 PM
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Why did the Senate just go into closed session? At Reid's request?
I missed something.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:27 PM
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1. TO DISCUSS THE WAR!
and the lack of oversight by Pat Roberts in the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

WOW! His speech was amazing. It was everything I wanted to hear.
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:28 PM
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3. Why a closed session?
Any one know?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:31 PM
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6. Because they will talk about
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. They handle 'national security' issues that are sensitive in nature and can't be talked about unless you have clearance.

Remember: Bush decided a few years ago to deny Senators intel because, 'they leak.'
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:32 PM
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9. Did Reid talk about . . .
Did Reid talk about the second half of the Senate Intelligence Report on Pre-Iraq War Intelligence.

The first half pointed the fingers at the CIA. The second half was supposed to be released after the election. Here are my notes from when the first half was released:

On July 9, 2004 the Senate Intelligence Committee released the first part of their report on pre-Iraq war intelligence. The report said most of the judgments used in the National Intelligence Estimate to justify the Iraq war were either overstated or not supported by the raw intelligence reporting. Prewar intelligence regarding Iraq's threat to the United States was neither reliable nor accurate.

The second part of the Intelligence Committee’s report was supposed to deal with how this bad intelligence was used and manipulated to sell the war. The Republican controlled Senate Intelligence Committee decided to hold the second part of the report until after the November elections.

I recorded the Democratic members' press conference July 9, 2004 on C-Span and transcribed what they said (its on VHS tape and I don't know any other way to share it online):

Senator Jay Rockefeller: I have one comment I need to make, and that is that if we're serious about doing intelligence reforms, why do we have to be somehow limited by the fact that the leadership in the Senate and the House are saying that we're out of here after 20 legislative days? We could work through August. We can work through September. We can come back after the election. We routinely did that in previous years, often working up until December 22nd.
This is the most dangerous moment in American history, the most devastating event in American history was 9/11. And the thought that somehow we can't get this done before the end of the year simply escapes me as an adequate rationale to honor the families of those who died and to protect the families and people who are still living, but may be in a lot more danger.

Senator Ron Wyden: I think it is absolutely imperative that the second part of our report come out before the elections. The American people have a right to know how that faulty intelligence was used. The reason why is because bad intelligence and bad policy are not mutually exclusive. You can have both. I happen to think that’s what you had here. You had faulty intelligence that was then independently compounded by an administration looking for every conceivable rationale for going to war.
So, a lot of people in Washington are betting that part two of this report won’t come out before the election. I just hope that the Congress insist that it does, that all of you and others are aware that the heavy lifting for the Committee is still ahead and we have got to get that second part that deals with how intelligence was used out.
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It was really a question of basic math. We didn’t have the votes (laugh from Sen. Feinstein) in order to have them both come out together. I think it would have been in the public interest to have it come out together. It was just that simple.
I’ll also say though, that between now and November there is ample time to get this out. There is ample time to make sure that the two are linked.
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I do think that it is so important to the country - this question of how intelligence was used - that we’ve got to find a way to get this out. I think if people understand - first that its doable and how important it is - we’ll get it out before November.

Senator Diane Feinstein: I agree with Senator Wyden.
I think the great bulk of the work has been done. I think probably 80% or more there. The rest is just taking these findings and relating them to how they were used by the administration. That’s pretty easy to do because you have the statements made publicly and those statements had to be based on intelligence. The only, I think, question mark in all of this is are there things the administration saw that we didn’t see? I mean, we know the president receives a daily brief that we don’t see. Otherwise, if there are any other items that they have received that we don’t have, that will have to be brought out in this study.


Senator Durbin wrote this in the July 9, 2004 Washington Post:

The Senate intelligence committee report scheduled to be released today reveals in stark terms that in many key areas, the prewar intelligence regarding Iraq's threat to the United States was neither reliable nor accurate. And the report tells only half of the story.
What's missing is the ways intelligence was used, misused, misinterpreted or ignored by administration policymakers in deciding to go to war and in making the case to the American people that war with Iraq was necessary. The intelligence committee leadership chose to defer these issues to a second report -- one that will not be released until after the November elections.
While failures by the CIA and other intelligence agencies are a significant part of the problem identified in this inquiry, the responsibility -- and the blame -- for the prewar intelligence debacle is much broader than described in today's report.

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37952-20...
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:38 PM
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14. Well, Sen Durbin just said
that the full Senate can vote to go right back to regular business. But the Dems are going to call for a closed session of the Senate every day until they get Part 2 of the investigation.

YES, YES, YES.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:42 PM
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18. Good for them. Let's see if they stick with it.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:01 PM
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31. Oh my goodness!!! Yes! nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:47 PM
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22. Frist: US Senate hijacked by Democratic leadership
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 02:49 PM by IndianaGreen
On C-SPAN. The war is on!
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:51 PM
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24. He expects a WARNING?
He thinks we are stupid. Did they give us any warning about Schiavo? Screw your consideration you lieing asshole!
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:03 PM
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32. And these are the guys who sneak new wording into bills,
produce bills that are hundreds of pages long to be voted upon before people can read them, consult only with each other on important matters that both parties should be involved with, and threaten the nuclear option. Uh-huh, they're affronted. Poor babies.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:54 PM
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27. Mr. NUCLEAR OPTION had the nerve to say that? HAHAHAHAHAHA
.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:57 PM
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29. Why, yes, yes he did!
Santorum says it's because the DEM's don't want to talk about spending cuts! He's kidding, right?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:58 PM
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30. Santorum just said "doing less with more"
This asshat doesn't even realize that he got it backwards!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:28 PM
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2. Durbin up at a press conference now.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:29 PM
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4. He was reading through all the times the Senate Intelligence Committee
promised to investigate the WH's manipulation of the Intelligence going into the Iraq War.

He read all about it and then demanded they go into closed session which was immediately seconded by Durbin (it sounded like).

So the Senate has to be closed, everybody not authorized must leave, etc. It isn't optional.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:31 PM
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5. Sounds like Roberts is going to get a can of whupass released
on him.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:31 PM
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7. Rockefeller speaking now about Roberts' incalcitrance on
conducting the work of the committee for Phase II.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:32 PM
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8. Rocky: Investigate the DSM please!
sign the damned Democratic letter requesting that the Senate Select Comm investigate the DSM and every other damn thing that went wrong.

Yes!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:34 PM
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10. Schumer--Admin. won't admit mistakes and only
belittle the messenger. Need oversight. Had virtually none. Called this closed session to get the majority to implement its proper oversight authority. Won't rest till done.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:36 PM
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11. What happened with Libby is just a continuation of a long line
of trying to manipulate the facts--Schumer. Sooner or later that catches up with you. There are many, many other instances of this as well.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:37 PM
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12. Jay Rockefeller speaking now at press conference
talking about using intelligence to manipulate.

Schumer saying they can't admit any mistakes, even about the Plame affair.

They simply choice to belittle ... we have seen it in the Plame affair. There is an obligation of oversight and we've had virtually none.

We called this closed session to try to get the majority to impliment it's proper over site role, that relates to the war and it relates to many many other issues as well.

He is looking at this as a Senator, not as a Dem or a Rep.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:38 PM
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13. Roberts e-mailed all of the staff and told them to
"drop everything" to do with Phase II after the stuff with Libby erupted. I think I understood this correctly--per Rockefeller. Help from others listening. Is that what was said?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:40 PM
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17. Yes that is what he said
He emailed everyone on his staff, told them to drop everything and head into phase 2.

What the hell is phase 2? What did I miss here?
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:45 PM
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20. see my post #9
July 2004 the Senate Intelligence Committee released the first half of its report on pre-Iraq war intelligence. The Republican controlled majority decided to issue their findings in two sections and to wait until after the election to finish. Then they just sort of forgot . . .
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:49 PM
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23. I do remember that report and our attempts to get it released
I just didn't realize it was called Phase 2. I remember Kerry publicly saying that the report should be released last summer! I rmember writting letters all over Washington trying to get it released. Was it always called Phase 2 or did WE call it something else then?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:08 PM
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34. True. Kerry's letter oif inquiry reDSM was all about this Phase2 report.
Kerry wanted DSM to be included in the investigation.

Roberts told him that a Phase2 was no longer needed post-election.

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:38 PM
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15. This hasn't happened in 25 years. The majority can end the closed
Edited on Tue Nov-01-05 02:39 PM by Pirate Smile
session by a majority vote BUT if they do, the Democrats will do this (call for a closed session which immediately goes into effect) every day until Phase II is dealt with by the Senate.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 03:06 PM
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33. Frist LIED when he said that....
Senate to meet in historic closed-door session

By Kristina Herrndobler / Knight Ridder News Services (KRT)
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 3, 2004


WASHINGTON -The last time the U.S. Senate met in a closed-door session -- excluding press and visitors, shutting out most staffers and imposing a television blackout -- was during the impeachment trial of President Bill Clinton in 1999.

But the Senate is again gearing up for a rare secret session, this time to scrutinize the flaws in America's prewar intelligence about Iraqi weapons. And like last time, political charges and counter-charges are swirling about the motivation and agenda for the session.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., agreed on the closed session, which will be held in coming weeks, after Democrats threatened to force the issue.

Any two senators can force a closed session, and Republican leaders decided to go along despite criticism from some in their ranks that the closed session is an unnecessary political stunt designed to turn up the heat on President Bush.

<snip>
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:39 PM
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16. Durbin--Libby condemned himself through his own notes.
Why did Libby go to these lengths?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:43 PM
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19. Because Cheney was the source! LOL
They are out for BLOOD and I LOVE IT!

Shows "bunker mentality"

Pres should have done an investigation before.

Libby was first in 135 years because their pres's did investigations and got rid of them.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:46 PM
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21. OMG - they are finally calling them on it
YES?????? NO????? What - help me out here - please!!!
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:56 PM
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28. They have shot the first shot ... made a first down ... given the umpire
some visine to clear the sand from his eyes ...

Yes ... IT'S ON! BRING IT!

DSM will have to play out now!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:51 PM
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25. Lott and Frist up trying to register outrage.
Trent wants to follow the old rules like they had during the time he was majority leader. "It's not the way it's done." Wanted to have prior notification so they could agree on it. He's astounded.

They caught them off guard. It's an "extreme approach".

I'm loving this.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-05 02:54 PM
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26. Hey Trent ... have you been around all 200 years? It's the rules dude
get over it!

You helped get Daschle out of office ... don't cry in your beer now.

BTW, how's that porch coming? :rofl:
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