To so-called pro-lifers: Mind your own Business!

[KingFlorez]

I haven't encountered one pro-lifers who can tell me how abortion effects them enough to make them want to ban it. My response to them is to shut up and mind their own business, because this issue doesn't effect you in your everyday life.

[Patchuli]

1. I have agreed

that the one with the uterus has the right to decide. It doesn't matter if *I* approve of abortion or not. I'm not bearing that child or paying for that child and it's up to the one who is. As for their reckoning in the hereafter, that's between them and their Maker. This is a big MYOB.

[Dark]

2. While I am pro-choice, I do think that the woman should be required to

at least notify the father (if she knows who he is) before having an abortion. (Except in the case of rape.)

It could be that the father will say that he will take full care of the child, and the mother won't have any obligations, which may change her mind.

That's fine with me. I fully encourage anyone who wants to persuade a woman not to have an abortion.

[cynatnite]

8. It shouldn't be made law n/t

[Dark]

9. Yes, it should.

Just because a man isn't carrying the baby doesn't mean that he shouldn't at least be heard. I'm not saying he should be able to legally force a woman to do anything, but he should at least know and be able to talk to her.

Still, in the end it's her choice. But anything that might convince a woman to not have an abortion is okay with me.

[cynatnite]

10. Another thread brought up this scenario...

Say the guy is an asshole...a wife-beater...a criminal....

Should she be legally obligated to tell him and hope he doesn't beat the hell out of her, lock her up or kill her?

I don't believe a woman should be legally obligated to tell a man what she plans on doing with her body. No exceptions. It's too much like asking permission.

[Blue_In_AK]

13. Whoa, great minds think alike.

See my post below

[Warren DeMontague]

15. I cannot believe you think that should be the responsibility of government

I mean, I don't know about you, but MY tax dollars are far too busy as it is, waging bullshit wars based on bald-faced lies, tracking down pot smoking cancer grannies and locking up millions of non-violent drug offenders, and paying for FBI agents to make a war on porn produced by and for consenting adults "a #1 priority".

Aside from the privacy and constitutional issues- and they are considerable- where, pray tell, is the money going to come from to pay for this massive law enforcement apparatus to track down pregnant women who want to abort (and are we talking about ALL abortion? RU-486? What about the morning after pill? Some right-wingers think the birth control pill causes abortions- will those women need to go before a judge or a panel of strangers, as well?) and then making sure they "notify" the man who is allegedly responsible for the pregnancy. And then, who's going to verify that she didn't just grab some dude off the street?

You're going to need paternity checks for all these men, too. Add to that that some women may not be sure which man made them pregnant. I mean, hey, I was young once, too- it's not inconceivable (ouch. excuse the pun)... Then there's rape victims. Then there's incest, abusive spouses, who knows what else. So while it may sound good to you to say that the man "should be heard"... making something like that law-- just like trying to legislate parental notification, just like legislating "waiting periods", just like legislating these little educational mandates that assume a woman wanting an abortion must not know what she's doing-- just like all these backdoor attempts to take the choice out of the only hands where it makes any fucking sense at all, namely: the woman in whose body the pregnancy is taking place, if you think them through to their logical, real-world conclusion, they make for really, really, really shitty law.

[Blue_In_AK]

12. Suppose a woman is married to a real jerk...

(it happens), so she has an extramarital affair and accidentally gets pregnant (that also happens). Now assume that the jerk husband has had a vasectomy. Do you still think she needs to get his permission before having an abortion? I don't.

[cynatnite]

14. Great minds rule!

:smoke:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

16. Well,

until the father also agrees to gain the sixty or seventy pounds, enjoy the hemorrhoids, the swollen ankles, the hormonal rages, the inability to sleep well, even on your back, and the terrific joy of a (maybe) 24-hour labor, I don't see where he has any say in any of it.

[bluedawg12]

17. How about a strong emphasis on prevention of pregnancy then

we won't have issues regarding paternal notification.

[Deja Q]

3. Tell them to look at how people treat each other AFTER THEY ARE BORN.

Given my past, there are times I would have felt better if I was aborted.

I know there are those with childhoods worse than mine, but I can say with assuredness that 98% of you haven't had to go through the hell I had. And the remaining 2% I truly, truly feel for.

We need to work on how the living treat each other.

[Sal Minella]

11. Bingo. I was born to a mother who had me out of some misplaced

sense of duty, and she never missed a chance to let me know what a terrible drag I was on her life, how expensive I was, etc.

Why would anybody insist a child be born to a woman who doesn't want it? Why don't these right-wingers ever consider the emotional welfare of the child?

The state of non-existence is not miserable. The state of being an unwanted, abused child is about as miserable as it gets, and the goal of creating miserable children who will grow up to be asocial if not anti-social, is a goal I can't quite comprehend.

[KaryninMiami]

4. Can we make a deal to reframe this? We are all pro-life. They

are anti-choice. You can be pro-life and pro-choice and we need to keep reminding each other of this.

[readmoreoften]

5. i concur n/t

[cynatnite]

6. I would direct it at anti-choicers...

There are plenty of people who are solidly against abortion, but don't believe the government has a place in which to regulate it.

[Erika]

7. It's a theocratic thing with the Bushbots.

I was against abortion until I matured. Bushbot females have this male adoration thing, where if the males tell them to be a baby factory, they will be such and believe in and defend it totally.

Bush trying to stack the deck against women with five Catholic males on the Supreme Court, shows the whole picture. Have one token woman. It sends a message to American women. And it's not good. Know your place, and shut up.