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exclark4dean Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 11:43 PM
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More info on the Dean-Clark-Kucinch-Edwards alliance ?
I heard that many supporters from Kucinich, Dean, Clark, and Edwards are banding together in alliance to help fight the annoitment of Kerry as party nominee by the collusion of the DNC, major media, and corrupt special interest groups.

I am willing to join fellow Clark, DK, and Edwards supporters to help guarantee a 'real' democratic primary process.

You can call me 'Anybody But Kerry'.

More info ?



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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 11:50 PM
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1. I am for that
Kerry is being pushed by the media so that they will be able to label him as the latte drinking Mass. liberal. Anybody but Bush, and I am not confident in Kerry yet.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 11:54 PM
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2. ROFLMAO
Oh, what a tangled web we weave!!
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:30 AM
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12. Pretty funny isn't it?
:hi:
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dae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:00 AM
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3. That's "Anybody But Bush" Friend, I'm not ready to anoint Kerry either
but I won't help carve him up for the GOP. Those pigs are down the road.
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:00 AM
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4. Sounds worthwhile -nt-
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 01:01 AM
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7. Q:Why is it only Dean supporters keep talking about this "alliance" stuff?
A: desperation. Sorry, but John Kerry is an opponent for the nomination, not the enemy we have to band together to fight against. This is exactly the kind of myopia in the culture of pro-Dean people that turned me off to the movement in the first place. Being the Democratic nominee is a nice goal, but it is not The Prize. That comes in November.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:14 AM
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5. Where did you dig this one up?
I'm for Dennis and we like Kerry but not as much as Dennis.
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Valjean Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 12:34 AM
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6. The GOP is PRO Kerry
The Memos have apparently been distributed.

Even 'Tough Crowd' is on the Kerry Bandwagon. Notably, Colin Quinn linked General Clark to drug issues in the 80s. Doubtless he is talking about the Mean, Arkansas issue. Quinn also seemed to indicated that Clark wasn't in the military for as long as he said he was ...

"Just because you say your in the Marines for 20 years, that doesn't mean anything. Let's see some records"

Yeah, and Colin Quinn doesn't care about the civil rights of accused criminals. He doesn't mind foreign Plows being kept in cages. Doubtless, he would be offended if OUR Plows were kept in cages.

Also notable was former environmental rape supervisor Christ Todd Whitman. She talked nice about Kerry. Her husband went to college with Whitman was on a swift-boat with Kerry. Ah fond memories. I wonder if he was a Bonesman as well????

Kerry supporters, do you not see a trend. Don't you realize that your candidate is a scion of the Eastern establishment, the same as Bush. Do you realize that he married not one BUT TWO immediate family relations of Skull & Bones.

He married for money twice. He styled himself as JFK while college. He has been gunning for power and privilege ALL HIS LIFE!!!!

Briefly, I started thinking nice about Kerry. Maybe I was just wrong about him. But then I started seeing more millionaire Repukelicans talking nice about Kerry. WHY WOULD REPUBLICANS BE PIMPING SOMEONE THEY FEARED.

I think the Clark-Edwards-Kucinich triumvirate realize that this election isn't about left vs right. It's about rich vs poor. It is the first REAL battle in a class war that the Republicans have been waging covertly for DECADES!!! Kerry is a scion of eastern money, influence and power. He represents almost everything we despise about the enemy.

John Kerry is NOT to be trusted. He is USING Democrats to further his ambitions. I seriously doubt that he believes the things he says.

For Bones, the equation is clear. One team takes the left, the other team takes the right. The average man gets destroyed in the middle because both choices represents their network of power, money and influence. Whichever form of manipulation works is appropriate.

Unlike many people, I really don't like JFK much. The very notion of the Kennedy's source of money and power is absolutely repugnant to me. There is VERY LITTLE difference between JFK and Ronald Reagan. To me, the only redeeming light in the Kennedy family was little brother Robert who seemed to know the difference between right and wrong.

Don't trust John Kerry!!!!

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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:23 AM
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8. I agree. I also thought Kerry was OK at first, but now I worry
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 07:30 AM by cryofan
I started out supporting Dean. Then I found out the truth about him (see www.mylinuxisp.com/~cryofan/dean.html ) and saw that he was not only basically conservative, but also born of the Eastern Establishment.

So then I decided Kucinich was the most anti-status quo. And he still is. But his campaign has been a disgrace, meaning he is not a viable candidate; he got a total of one percent in NH (and still his supporters here go on about how he will win....WTF?!). So I no longer support him.

Then came Iowa, and I had to decide which candidate was the most populist, the most anti-status quo, the one most likely to resist corporate power. So Gephardt got my vote. THen he quit. But Kerry looked really good in Iowa, and he said the right things on the stump. But now after looking at his record, his background, and his plans for the presidency, I do not see that much of an anti-status quo, populist candidate. His record is liberal, but it seems to be focused mainly on somewhat minor, token liberal issues, like the enviroment--the kind of issues that Hollywood types support. These are typical limousine liberal issues. Real hardcore progressive issues like progressive taxation and minimum wage are ignored by limousine liberals. I can find no indication that Kerry cares much about hardcore progressive liberal issues.

And then there is the media. Tell me they don't love Kerry. THey do! Just like they loved Dean until they turned on him (and remember that they did not turn on him until he lost Iowa).

I deeply distrust the media.

So Kerry is on the back burner for now. And I would rather see someone other than Kerry (except Dean or Lieberman (Lieberman seems to be pretty much a conservative, except for his tax plan)).

So who are we left with? Basically Clark and Edwards....

Clark is someone who has apparently let his advisors craft a policy plan for him. His policy plan, as many people have noticed, is like a textbook liberal template. From his interactions with the media, it seems as though he does not seem to have a great interest in domestic policy. He seems to mainly be interested in foreign policy and the military. Maybe I am wrong about that. But I like Clark because that aspect of him could be good. Maybe he would leave the domestic agenda to advisors, and he seems to choose liberal advisors. Clark's policy plan as crafted by his advisors seems to be the most liberal of all the viable candidates. Clark could up being like a liberal version of Bush, except that Clark is apparently some kind of intellectually curious genius, as opposed to Bush, who is a well educated idiot.....

Edwards is in some ways like LBJ and Roosevelt, which could be great, obviously. I mean like LBJ and Roosevelt, Edwards seem to really care about the domestic agenda. And like them, he is about "economic justice" -- that is what Edwards's rhetoric is built around; that is his rallying cry. However, the actual details of his policy plans seem less liberal than Clark's policy plans.

Another factor is that the media seems to dislike Clark. That means that he should be our top choice. Right now, for me, it is Clark at the top, then followed VERY closely by Edwards, then Kerry well after those two. The ways things are going right now, all three could beat Bush EASILY.

But what we really want is a populist rhetoric bidding war between these three candidates. Whichever one ups the ante on the core hardcore liberal progressive issues, like universal health care, corporate regulation, progressive tax agenda, that is the one we should support.

Do not get attached to any one candidate, people. Make them EARN your vote!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:29 AM
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10. Clark videos
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 07:31 AM by krkaufman
If you're interested in Clark, I highly recommend popping over to US4Clark.com and checking out some of the videos, especially the Bill Maher clips.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=220707&mesg_id=221909&page=

http://www.us4clark.com/mediaclips.html


Freedom...!
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:26 AM
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9. where are you hearing this?
haven't heard a thing about it. This is as silly as the ABD movement.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:31 AM
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13. hehe...
great minds think/respond alike (see post below.)
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:30 AM
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11. No offense... but I was bothered by the Gep/Kerry alliance
to beat up on Dean.

I am just as bothered by this.

Organize to promote your candidate(s). Organize to promote themes in the campaign (positive) to help set public discourse.

But organizing to tear down one of our own is counterproductive.
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