My dad finally kicked my fundie sister out of the house

[DanCa]

As you know both my parents are strong Christians - my mom is a life long dem - my dad voted for Senator Kerry this year after after the swifties slimed him. Anyhow you guys also know what a repug evangelist my sister is. She usually takes shot at me once a month but today she went overboard.
She put on her snow white - actually muddy white- wagon not only a choose life license plate but a big bold bumpersticker that says - "Remember your baptisim and kill a liberal"
Anyhow my old man and mom finally confroted my sister and said that if she doesn't go get some help, they'll stop funding her ass for the chrisitian college that she's going too, My old man and said that she's got to find a new place to live. Anyhow she stormed out of the house about two hours ago and we haven't heard from her since.
The time frame for this is about eleven thirty. Note I hope my sister
does choose help she used to be such a nice person. But lately she's been going further off the deep end.

[RPM]

1. good on them

best of luck to you and your family - i hope one day she realizes that "killing a liberal" isnt very christian of her - perhaps then you can all reconcile...

keep us posted....

[Cha]

73. Afterall, Christ was a Liberal..

but who knows what they're learning in "Christian Colleges"?

[bertha katzenengel]

2. I guess I haven't followed the tales of your sister, Dan

Her behavior actually warrants being kicked out of the home? Does she have other resources?

I'm sure there's info I don't have, so don't react too harshly to my questions.

[DanCa]

13. She is a repeat offender

I posted several of these threads before. You can probably search for them if you like. Trust me my sister has a lot of people that she can stay with I just think that my parents was worn thin. No i am not offended by the least. It was a valid question.

[bertha katzenengel]

22. Cool. I do trust ya, Dan.

BTW, what did you name your kitten? :hi:

[DanCa]

25. I am considering several names.

Ill post it the final four later. :D

[stepnw1f]

3. I Wish the Best for Your Sister

and your family of course. Keep your chin up.

[annabanana]

4. wow... major blow-up

Big rifts in families are always sad... I hope she gets some help, but I fear that there is a "support system" out there that she's drawing encouragement from.

[elehhhhna]

9. bank on it. CULT CHECK TIME.

[jazzjunkysue]

79. Right. Freeze her bank account, pronto.

[Syncronaut Seven]

5. There comes a time when everyone has to make the hard decisions.

Clearly your parents made the right one. Sounds like she hasn't really been your sister in quite some time, cults do that.

[tsuki]

6. Remember your baptism and kill a liberal? Can't she get stopped

for that? Inciting violence and all?

Your parents may have to take steps. That is not a rational act.

[elehhhhna]

8. you'd think a "christian college" wouldn't like that on their property.

[tsuki]

14. No, we have two of those types of "khristian colleges" in our

area. Neither has any accreditation other than from the kool-aid group.

[Cha]

74. That's appropriate..

"khristian"..more succinct than faux christians.

[tsuki]

87. They hate everyone but themselves, and I am not sure about themselves. n/

[Momgonepostal]

67. That doesn't even make sense

What the heck kind of baptismal ceremony did she have that talked about killing people?

[VTMechEngr]

75. 2000 years ago conservatives nailed a liberal to a cross. n/t

[tsuki]

88. Jim Jones? eoq

[elehhhhna]

7. Dan, how old is she? She may be exhibiting signs of mental illness--

if she's in her late teens/early 20's--that's primetime.

Sounds like she definitely needs help. Can your parents find a shrink to eval. her?

[DanCa]

16. She is ten years younger - 25

I am sure theres more going on than what I am privy too but I think that bumper sticker really upset my mom and my dad is not the most diplomatic of individuals. I do hope she gets counciling though.

[TheGunslinger]

10. "Remember your baptism and kill a liberal" Which Gospel is that in again?

Maybe an intervention is in order and take her to one of those places that "decontaminates" people after they've been sucked into cults.

[RPM]

12. yeah - i dont think that was in the version i had

althoug king james may have phrased it slightly differently :sarcasm:

[Dr.Phool]

19. It's from the New Revised King Dubya Version of the Bible!

"It's easier to fit a poor person through the eye of a needle, if you starve them first".

[peacebird]

89. LOL!!!!

[jobycom]

27. That's in the "Gospel According to Pontius Pilate" just before Pilate

has Jesus executed. It's in the King James Dobson version of the Bible.

[donco6]

58. I don't even know what that means.

What does baptism have to do with liberalism? :shrug:

[Marr]

63. I had the same reaction.

The only connection I can see between those two is ideas is one of exclusion. 'Remember your babtism and forgive your enemies' I could understand.

[donco6]

68. Ha! Yes, now that would make sense. eom

[Raine]

85. That's awful

what a terrible hateful statement that is. It's sad to think of the sick mind that came up with such a thing. :cry: As much as I hate the fundie RW I would never put up something like that. :-(

[mongo]

11. Perhaps she need to go to another school

The one she's at now doesn't seem to be building up good character in her.

She has to be getting is from somewhere - and it doesn't seem like home in this case.

[RPM]

45. no kidding - what fine christian institution is this anyway

???

[DanCa]

60. Here's the link

www.trnty.edu in palos heights il.

[knitter4democracy]

80. No shit!

My hubby and I went to Mount Vernon Nazarene, and if I remember right, we played Trinity in sports. I ran into some Trinity students in some stuff I was in. Those Calvinists. ;)

I'm so sorry she's going there. Frankly, those schools are scary. Many come away hating the place and church and anything to do with Christianity after suffering through. Others, and it sounds like your sister's one, come away even more out in right field, having never actually learned to think critically or question their beliefs. I'm so very sorry.

Be thankful she's not at Bob Jones--even worse.

[Danieljay]

15. something to think about....mental illness

Strict fundamentalism or adherence to any particular belief can be a sign of a OCD spectrum disorder. Before you laugh and say "of course it is" check this out..

http://www.ocdla.com/index.html.

Now, she might just be a fruitcake with nuts, as many are...but there could be other reasons.

I hope she sees the light before any more harm is done to herself or your family.

[Marr]

64. Oops- double post.

[William769]

17. My prayers are with you.

Remember Jesus was a Liberal.

[Mika]

34. Wasn't he killed? n/t

[William769]

42. Yes he was.

But he was still a liberal.

[jonnyblitz]

48. too bad most of his followers aren't. nt

[William769]

54. And you have that peace sign for what reason?

[hickman1937]

91. Huh? His followers are alive and well and posting here.

Get this clear. Those are not his followers. You talk to his followers alot when you come here. There's a big differance. They are wannabes rejoicing in clique religion and hostility posing as belief.

[Fridays Child]

18. Just a question...

How much might this school she's attending have to do with the deterioration of her reason?

[DanCa]

21. I would say quite a lot.

if you like i'll post a link. I don't think it's the school per say it's the crowd she's hanging around with.

[Fridays Child]

61. Except that the school probably encourages the mindset of her friends.

And, yes, a link would be interesting. But, also, maybe you and your parents could talk about it. They're funding her education, right? Do they really want to pay for the closing of her mind?

[knitter4democracy]

81. Of course it does.

Those schools encourage kids to report on each other, have moles in all the main peer groups, and only hire profs who agree to sign belief statements (and then enforce those if a prof seems to be straying). If you think I'm kidding, I'm not. I went to Mount Vernon Nazarene, and we were in the same league as Trinity. It's probably not much different.

[LiberalinNC]

20. She's probably having around the wrong crowd at school!

I give your parents a lot of credit for standing up to their beliefs. Unless an intervention is done, I think you're sister will only get worse. Good luck!

[DanCa]

23. Here's the link to the school

It's Trinity College in Palos Heights Il. Again I am not blaming the school just the people that she hangs with and her church friends at home.

http://www.trnty.edu/

[RPM]

47. interesting spelling

i would have questions about the school on the url alone...

[FreedomAngel82]

51. I also think it's probably the crowd of people

I wouldn't be surprised myself if it was the group of people she was hanging out with. If they're all rightwing fanatics.

[knitter4democracy]

82. Easy to find there.

I used to avoid them like the plague. I made one cry in my philosophy class, though. :evilgrin:

[davsand]

57. Is she over 21?

Maybe I missed it in the other posts about her, but the Student Policies for that college state that any student under 21 has to live in the dorms if they leave home to go to school. She may be facing a tough time ahead with that.

Frankly, I didn't see much else in there that indicated anything TOO horrible for a faith based college (unlike places like Bob Jones!) They can't have Cable TV in the dorms, no porn, and no booze--but that really is a big difference from places like Bob Jones where they won't even allow contemporary Christian music on campus...

I dunno, Danca, I'm sorry your family is in such a big hoo-haw, but I tend to think you are right that it is a matter of her friends coloring her views rather than the college. Maybe this will give her the needed wake up call.

Good luck!


Laura

[tsuki]

90. Sorry, I meddled. Sent this email.

Do you really encourage your students to post bumper stickers on their vehicles that say "Remember Your Baptism and Kill a Liberal."

Remember Pontius Pilate was a Conservative; Jesus Christ was a liberal.

Yours in Christ,

xxx

Stuff like this sends me off the deep end.

[charlie]

24. No one can say she wasn't asking for it

And she definitely needs to get some help for herself.

I hope you finally get to enjoy some peace Danny. You shouldn't have to live with such a coldblooded character.

[still_one]

26. pretty tough thing for your dad to do

what your sister did sure doesn't represent Christian philosophy, that is to "kill" someone, and you parents are right she does need help

My suspisions is that she has probably gone through a type of brain-washing like the moonies, hari krishna, and other cult groups. It sure sounds like it

I wish you and your family well

[Canuckistanian]

28. What kind of sick outfit SELLS those bumper stickers???

And can't they be prosecuted for death threats? Some insane person might take them up on that message.

[BlueWolf]

35. No kidding

I could have sworn that calling for someone's death is just a little illegal. Those people are crazy enough as it is, they don't need any encouragement.

[DanCa]

38. Welcome to DU Bluewolf

I think they got this from an independent place in town that makes stickers and signs and the like. My only proof now is that he constantly put bible sayings on his shop signs. Not much else to go on.

[BlueWolf]

43. Thank You

Thank you for the welcome! I'm glad to be here. :toast: So the shop that made the bumper sticker has Biblical quotes all over their signs? It always amazes me when so-called "Christians" go around calling for death and violence against those they disagree with, when the whole message of Christ was peace, love and forgiveness. The neo-cons are really giving Christianity a bad name. It's sad. Anyway, I'm sorry to hear about your sister. It sounds like she's going through a troubled time. I hope she finds peace and understanding.

[DanCa]

46. Me too

I hope everything is straightened out and this is a verbal slap in the face for her will bring back my sister. I will ask my old later if he want's too put in a police inquiry to the sticker place. I dont want to push things just now. Thanks for the concern :D

[FreedomAngel82]

52. And the neocons could care less too

People like Karl Rove just use them for votes. They could care less about what is Christian and what isn't. It's all about voting and the power and P.R.

[DanCa]

56. Exactly these are the same ppl who outed a cia agent -

Which is not only an act of treason but I personally think an attempt on a womens life. Of course if Rove doesn't get involved what kind of signal would it send to a fundie base.

[FreedomAngel82]

53. Welcome BlueWolf!!

:hi:

[BlueWolf]

59. Thanks!

Thanks for the welcome! :) And I agree with your views that the neo-cons just use Christianity for PR. I just keep wondering when their Christian base will wake up and realize that the neo-cons are anything but Christian.

[Raine]

86. It's HORRIBLE just AWFUL

that some sick fuck comes up with such a HATE filled thing, literally makees me sick. :cry:

[Rowdyboy]

29. Isn't she the same one who started talking trash with a priest at lunch...

and went off on you when you offered an opposing opinion? And your mother stood up for her? Seems like I remember that.

Sounds like your dad may be practicing some "tough love". I'd say its about time for it. Hope he doesn't back down. And the bumper sticker-thats just sick and very twisted. She really does need help.

[DanCa]

32. Yes- usually her attacks are just one a month but lately theyve been

escalating. I think my family just had it with her. Actually my mom advice was to keep out of the conversation I don't think that she was taking sides . I could be wrong though

[nofurylike]

30. DanCa, i am curious, what would you do if it said "kill a black, jew,

gay, senior..."?

it strikes me as *dangerous* sociopathy. do you know where she got the sticker? shouldn't that organization be reported at least to the antidefamation league, if not the fbi or something?

i'm not sure just sending her away is the best thing one could do for the world. but then, maybe it's not possible to force her to get help.

i am sorry you have to suffer that!

:hi:


peace!

[DanCa]

31. I would probably follow the same thing thinking

While I have an inklin as to where that sticker came from I have no proof. I will mention it too my old man if he thinks he should contact the police or not. I think that my mom and dad percieved it as a real death threat and that's what triggered the get out your house response.
Thank you for you concern, this is a bad situation all around.
Peace to you.

[nofurylike]

37. heartbreaking. i think how you and your parents must have felt to see

that, and tears come to my eyes. not only the threat of it, and coming from your sister, their daughter, but also the loss OF her that it must spell to you.

thank you for your reply, Dan. hang in and feel us with you...


peace!

[DanCa]

40. Thank you and Ill ask my old man if he wants to look in to the shop sign

place. I want to give them alot of space this weekend. peace.

[kevinmc]

33. Sounds like an Ann Coulter Christian n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

36. Oh dear, she has definitely gone over the edge *hugs* I also hope

she finds some help because she has been poisoned.

If she can't understand that encouraging killing people is totally against the teachings of Jesus, then I think she is so brainwashed that she needs a real intervention.

[LiberalFighter]

39. If the "christian college" is condoning her behavior...

then it would be best that your parents not fund her college education.

Is she receiving her education from a college connected with her church?

[DanCa]

41. Here is the link

www.trnty.edu. I don't know how my old man helps her that's not my buisness. All i know is that she's been getting more and more pushy about two years ago.

[knitter4democracy]

83. It's one of the Calvinist schools.

When I was in college, those were actually more liberal than mine (scary thought, I know). It's not so much that the college is encouraging it but that the whole environment encourages this kind of thinking.

Hopefully, she'll wake up a year or so from now and wonder what the hell happened. Most of my classmates woke up by graduation and were just marking time until we could all escape.

[FreedomAngel82]

44. Isn't killing a sin??

Last time I looked it was. So how can you remember your baptism and kill a liberal? Disgusting. This is what is scary. :\

[DanCa]

49. Funny thing is I am the one that's on medication

I agree with you.

[kahleefornia]

50. i don't understand the denial

I mean, when one or two of your friends or family thinks you have weird ideas and have "changed", then it's likely THEM and not you. But, when your whole family, and all of your friends are telling you there's a problem, there's a problem!

I've actually heard people say things like "I don't know what happened - all of my friends all of a sudden became jerks."

So I hope your sis realizes that having her family not able to tolerate her anymore is a sign that SHE has a problem, not everyone else.

[FreedomAngel82]

55. I hope so too

I think it was a strong and admirable thing for the parents to do. I'm sure that was hard as well but I wouldn't tolerate that either. Especially since I myself am a liberal. :\ It's really scary to think people out there who want to kill me because I'm a liberal. Do they even know what a liberal is or are they just going by their brainwashed mentality? That's what I wonder.

[nofurylike]

62. a kind of scary added aspect of this is that christian dogma says that

the one time killing is 'appropriate' is in a so-called just war.

that threat underlines their thinking of this as a war against us.
and it really is a civil war now, against us.

scary.


Peace!

[Marr]

65. How old is your sister...? It sounds like she may be developing mental

illness.

[DanCa]

69. She's twenty five going on thirteen

It's starting to click in now because we didn't have problems like this until she started going there. I mean she was always conservative but not a nut case.

[knitter4democracy]

84. Is there required chapel?

I know Calvin didn't have required chapel like we did, but does Trinity? That might be part of the problem if she actually believes the crap she's hearing there.

[Rocknrule]

66. Liberals really are the new Jews

I have an image in my head of Darth Cheney saying "Execute Order 66!" to all the troops, ordering them to kill all the liberals in America.

[DanCa]

71. Than it's time to go jedi on dubya's rump

Speaking of which Dubya controlls the senate and the courts and the dark side is a bastardised version of the force.

[fishwax]

70. yeesh, what a bumper sticker

i hope she gets the help she needs, as that sounds well beyond the pale ...

[Jack_Dawson]

72. Good for your Dad!

Can't believe all these whining liberals siding w/ your sister.

[leesa]

78. Because they hope she gets help? Is that what you are calling a "whining

liberal"? Do you have the same bumper sticker?

[Jack_Dawson]

94. She said "Kill a Liberal"

See. that's all I need. Your compassion and understanding, while noble, is why the Dems get kicked in the teeth every election.

[stlsaxman]

76. Was the mis-spelling of "baptism" your typo or did her bumper sticker

actually read "Remember your baptisim and kill a liberal"?

That's certainly Freeper-level spelling there, boy howdy!

ps- I, too, hope your sister gets help. It's always difficult when a family member goes astray. Hang in there.

[madrchsod]

77. kill a liberal? i`m really at a loss for words

a christian college?

[proud2BlibKansan]

92. How old is she Dan?

Is it just a phase? Some of the nicest people I know were once fundies in their youth. They eventually saw the error of their ways. So maybe there is hope yet for your sister.

[hickman1937]

93. My heart goes out to your Dad, and Mom.

It is never easy to finally say enough to your child. I know they're dying inside. Please give them a hug from me. Sometimes being right is cold comfort when you've had to let go of your child.

[terip64]

95. I pray your dad has the strength to do this, for your sister's sake

I have 3 crazy sisters and I wish my parents had called them on so much stuff. Sometimes it seems too hard, but life is long and living with craziness makes it even longer, trust me on that one!