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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 07:32 AM Original message |
American corporations are lining up to dump their retiree debit. |
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Spinzonner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
1. Corporatocracy means never having to say you're responsible |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Kleptocracy--same deal. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. Don't worry, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp (PBGC) will pick up the tab |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
3. This is such a big issue for me. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Time to call for a maximum wage for all CEOs of PUBLIC corporations. |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
4. This is another attack on the middle class of America...... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 08:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I agree. nt |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 08:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Oh, and don't forget to screw them out of the Social Security they've |
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catmother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
45. pension plans |
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Chief (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
6. 401K |
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Skink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 08:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Maybe now the baby boomers will vote Democratic.. |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 08:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Hey, I'm a boomer and I never got ANY |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
42. Was that Barry Commoner? |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Yup. Barry Commoner |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. This one didn't "take it all" and didn't give anything away. nt |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
38. What you talking bout skink? |
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Skink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Just kidding Seniors and first time voters elected W |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Generalizing is wrong... |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Yea, give it to Wall Street, and the Social |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. They don't raid the pension money anymore - they just do not contribute. |
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nvliberal (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 11:03 AM Response to Reply #6 |
37. And you think companies DON'T raid 401(k)s? They aren't |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. That's the direction it's been going |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
8. This I don't understand: |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 08:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. The Gov encouraged 10 to 12% interest assumptions for funding |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Wasn't legislation regarding these interest assumptions |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #13 |
34. I believe there was a discussion of a max rate of 9% - but that was kept a |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 11:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. Having worked for actuarial firms in the mid to late 80's, ie |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. nope - got worse |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. Then there was 2000-2002 |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. You have an annual loss that must be amortized - but the huge effect is in |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
12. Americans workers are getting the giant SCREW from |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
14. FREEPERS: Ask not for whom the bell tolls--it tolls for YOU. n/t |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
15. Barabara Ehrenreich, in Bait & Switch, quotes the daughter of BoA founder |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. And some liberals |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:43 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. huh? |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. You don't think "free" trade has anything to do with this mess? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:53 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Yes -- mobile capital and immobile labor helps to exploit labor |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Ha! |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 09:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. It's a good idea, isnt' it? |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. No, I don't think it's a terribly good idea. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. So let's back up: you think it's immigration that explains why the middle |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. You don't think the loss of jobs and the reduction/stagnation |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. So immigration isn't the problem? |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Please point out where I referred to immigration? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I assumed "one- world- they- deserve- jobs- as- much- as- we- do" |
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sadiesworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. An inelegant criticism of (corporate) globalization? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. inelegant because it sounded like a criticism of immigration policies |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:20 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. A. P. Giannini |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 10:23 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Yes. And it was the daughter of A.P. Giannini who couldn't belieive what |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-05 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
40. My company is one of the few still funding pensions in spite of losses |
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