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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:41 PM
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We have to decide soon, divisive factions or one voice for 2008
One very critical reason why the Corrupt Conservative Propagandists win is they get 100% behind "their" man (read nothing into it please. I'd love for a woman to be President).

In the next two years, we have to decide that we put the factionalism aside and get behind one candidate early, or risk being fractionated and marginalized by the Swift Dolt Conservative Stealth Propaganda machine which is forever keeping us on the defensive.

Your choice people (you too DNC and Mr. Dean).
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:44 PM
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1. So let me guess...
Anyone who has a problem with whichever candidate you favor will be dividing and fractionating (sic) us?

*yawn*
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:47 PM
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4. You are exactly what I described.
I have no candidate yet. None. I don't think any of the retreads will stir up the masses who always fail to vote. So your asumption is wasted.
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:45 PM
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2. what happened to 2006?
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:46 PM by MarsThe Cat
Soon??

at this point in 1989, how many people had united behind bill clinton?
how many people outside arkansas had even heard of him?

why not let it play out a little?

and maybe focus on 2006?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:48 PM
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5. We own 2006, it's 2008 I'm concerned with
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:54 PM
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8. Don't get overconfident
We don't own anything just yet. It looks good for 06, but still a helluva fight. focus.
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:28 PM
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13. i give you Illinois-
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 12:29 PM by MarsThe Cat
the Dems should "own" it for years, after the slime-ridden reign of jim 'lyin' Ryan and his killer truckers...

then came blago.

and now it's anyones game in 2006- except the Dems.

Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
2008 is lightyears away- let's concentrate on 2006.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:47 PM
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3. we're divided by both issues and candidates ...
to suggest all we need to do is get behind one candidate seems to miss that understanding ...
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:50 PM
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6. THEY are the "Borg," we can be the Federation.
United Federation of Planets.

United.

Not half human, half machine retreating to our regeneration chambers at night. Without separate thoughts and opinions.

But standing with Star Fleet Command. All of us - Humans, Vulcans etc.

Not the drones of the gop who have been told and believe that resistance is futile, and who have been assimilated into the borg collective.

;)

It is late, oh my.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:55 PM
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9. Can we defeat them before the Death Star is activated?



You're right, very late. Continued when light shines again.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:18 PM
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17. LOL!! I think the Death star is in a galaxy far, far away in the past.
The borg are in the delta quadrant wreaking havoc.

And of course on earth in the form of neocons.



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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:53 PM
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7. It's up to us to ignore the dividers and press on.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:55 PM by LoZoccolo
DU will always be riddled with drama queens and attention whores who want us to coddle them while they sit on their ass for all they claim they don't like about the Democratic Party. These people exist in a much lesser number in the real world. It's our job, for those who want to get something done in the real world, to ignore them and use the time to walk precincts, register voters, garner support and pat the real activists on the back. Don't let them selfishly leech precious hours that could be used more effectively.

And when I say ignore, do what you have to, including putting them on ignore here. Remodel DU into a useful place for real work.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:57 PM
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10. And as far as deciding...
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 11:58 PM by LoZoccolo
...the only decision you have to make is for yourself. Pick up the team-players who'll be on our side, leave the rest behind. If people are being patently and obviously unreasonable, don't feed them with the attention.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:58 PM
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11. Democrats must have a plan
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 12:03 AM by kurth
Republicans have always run their campaigns on God and flag waiving. Very successfully. Well, those themes ain't gonna cut it this time - too many disastrous counterexamples in the headlines...

What they will emphasize next year - and you can already hear this by listening to the Big Fat Idiot Addict - is that Democrats have "no plan"/"nothing"/"nothing new" to offer.

Big items Democrats must agree on:

1. Iraq
2. Health insurance
3. Border enforcement
4. Energy costs

At any rate, there MUST be a relentless NEGATIVE attack on Republicans next year. Point out their failures, their hypocrisy, their criminal acts, their corruption. Negative campaign works. Ask Karl Rove.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:33 AM
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12. the rank and file already has "one voice"
that's up to the DLC to get out of dodge and let the rank file choose our own representatives without their interference and obstructionist tactics.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:35 PM
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14. I would have sworn Bush-McCain was hard fought in 2000.

Guess my memory is going.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:36 PM
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15. democrats must decide
Are we going to have an honest candidate who will work to change things for the better, or cower under the threat of more republican corruption to give us a mediocre candidate who sounds good but is beholden to the same powerful interests the republicans are beholden to?
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:39 PM
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16. As long as the DLC attempts to lead us down the wrong road there
will be division.

As for your wishes for a "woman" president, hardly my first concern. I need an effective president, gender is not an issue for me either way -- by the way I AM a woman.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 09:32 PM
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18. Gender is not an issue
But I would like to see My President, the only Black President, the people's President, and the best President in my long life back in politics, if for no other reason but to bring some respect back to us on the World's stage. I wish not for a woman President specifically, and your jab was unnecessary, but if a woman was our best choice among the same old over-washed group of disinterested and old men who have stood and made fools of our party name before I will have no part of it.
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