Does Bush represent the military-industrial complex Ike warned about?

[BikeWriter]

Eisenhower's Farewell Address

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades."
http://www.homeofheroes.com/presidents/speeches/eisenhower_farewell.html

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1. How far back do the PNACers go?

[cranston36]

2. He represents the animals we fought in world war 2

He represents the animals we fought in world war 2

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8. Who is "he?"

[BikeWriter]

4. Far enough Ike didn't like them. Show this to the freepers!

[jody]

3. No. * represents the Corporatists FDR warned about, "The liberty of

a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to the point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group or any controlling private power." (FDR)

Benito Mussolini said, "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power."

Theodore Roosevelt said, "'Behind the ostensible Government sits enthroned an invisible Government, owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics, is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.... This country belongs to the people. Its resources, its business, its laws, its institutions, should be utilized, maintained, or altered in whatever manner will best promote the general interest.' This assertion is explicit. We say directly that 'the people' are absolutely to control in any way they see fit, the 'business' of the country."

[BikeWriter]

5. What about the * stock in the Carlyle Group?

[jody]

6. The Carlyle connection could make * the first billionaire president if

George H.W. Bush dies.

I understand your interest in Ike's statement however the corporatist threat predated Ike's warning.

Don't forget that a group of business leaders tried to overthrow FDR and place Smedley Butler in as president. They were determined to create a government patterned after fascism.

[BikeWriter]

7. More quotes from Ike. Freepers take notice!

"Every gun that's made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms...is spending the genius of its scientists, the sweat of its laborers,"

"The supreme quality for leadership is unquestionably integrity. Without it, no real success is possible, no matter whether it is on a section gang, a football field, in an army, or in an office."


http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/when_people_speak_to_you_about_a_preventive_war/147520.html

[driver8]

9. I thought he represented the "head up the ass, ignorant m-fers group"?

Maybe I'm wrong...

[BikeWriter]

13. Ooh, good point! ;-)

[flordehinojos]

10. absolutely

remember that Samuel P. Bush, Bush's great-grand-father on the Bush side became chief of the Ordnance, Small Arms and Ammunition Section of the War Industries Board.

remember that the bushes made their money in the steel and munitions world of the military.

they seem to have learned nothing else.

they love wars.

they love money.

they love power.

they believe that the industrial-military complex is how they make money and the thing that gives them power.

[bowens43]

11. Yes, most definately.

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every
rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from
those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and
are not clothed.

- Dwight D. Eisenhower

[dogman]

12. I think it is more the INDUSTRIAL-military complex.

The military is really just a tool the fascists use. It has no real input in the equation. This is evidenced by turning the military over to Rumsfeld. He is an industrialist who does not care about the military. He dictates to the military and will fire the brass just as he would a shop foreman who could not reach the production levels he has set. Like many of today's corporations it really isn't even about production but more about falsifying the paperwork to create the image that goals are being met to fleece the shareholders. I do see he also reversed the name order, so maybe this is what he really foresaw. He too loved his soldiers and realized the difference. I think too many see the "military" and concentrate on that without grasping what he really was describing.

[TexasLawyer]

14. Bush is the poster-child

of Ike's warning.

[ngGale]

15. For sure...

the oil baron's a few corporate men..."the Crazies."

[HR_Pufnstuf]

16. We have NASA.

Perhaps we need a similar National Weapon Defense Agency (NWDA) that builds only what we need to defend ourselves, and remove the profit from war.