Do you see any other way for the country to survive besides the

[rzemanfl]

following?

1) Democrats regain both houses of Congress in 2006 with so much support that any attempt at thievery will be readily detected.

2) A congressman then resigns and either John Kerry or Al Gore is appointed by a Democratic Governor to take their place. They are then elected Speaker of the House.

3) * and Cheney are impeached.

4) The Speaker of the House (now President) appoints the other "unsuccessful" Presidential candidate as their Vice-President.

If you can think of another solution that non-violent and constitutional, let me know what it is.

If Bushco stays in power until January 2009, there will be no country left-judging by the last five years.

[annabanana]

1. this is the scenario that comes to mind...

It's not as much of an uphill climb as it was 11 months ago. (B*sh screwed up as badly as we expected... )

[TallahasseeGrannie]

2. Wow. I like it.

But I'm a dreamer. BTW, I vote Gore first. He is supposed to be President anyway.

[rzemanfl]

5. My argument against that is that he is younger than Kerry and I

am hoping this would lead to an 18 year streak of sanity 2+4+4+4+4.

[tocqueville]

3. history shows that you need a major SNAFU to have real change

probably has the Bush administration not snafued "enough" yet to have an impeachment running. And even if your scenario worked out, the new leaders could only work with damage control...

my guess is that we haven't seen the end of the tunnel yet. THe problems that America is facing are so big, that a change of majority leader would be practically a band aid on a gaping wound.

[rzemanfl]

4. We lost the World Trade Center, a chunk of the Pentagon, a

Space Shuttle, New Orleans, the respect of the world, 2,000+ troops, countless billions and gas is $3.00 a gallon, heating bills are going to be huge and they are saying people will have to decide between eating and staying warm this Winter. What would a SNAFU be? Maybe if Dubyah got a blow job from a terrorist woman who had bird flu on national TV on a Sunday morning?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

6. Would cigars play any role in this?

[rzemanfl]

7. Yes, he'd be smoking a Cuban and drinking Jack Daniels

straight from the bottle.

[tocqueville]

8. it can be worse

so far the economical impact on the US population is still limited. If the middle class falls into real poverty due to fo example a fall of the dollar and the unability then to import "cheap" oil, you'll get a situation like in the 30s...

And a situation like that needs a new FDR

[ladjf]

9. You have correctly listed the see-able, known disasters of the

Bush presidency. Far worse are those as yet unseen processes of destruction both physical and emotional. The human race has been thrown into psychiatric chaos. In other words, Bush's criminality has made the world sick. Under the best of future circumstances, it will take decades, if ever, for the world to recover. Many of the losses are irretrievable.

In way, one could label the process as a man made "end of times", having absolutely nothing to do with the silly biblical predictions
but, having everything to do with man's stupidity.

In the end, the human race will go down as the least successful species ever to live on Earth. The entire tenure of homo sapien might be as short as 400,000 years, a tiny blip on the Earth's time-line.(turtles 200,000,000+)

[rzemanfl]

11. The 2000's have been the most miserable decade of my life and

I'm 58. The thought of seeing Bushco brought down is about all that keeps me going.

[ladjf]

14. I'm 69 years old. If someone had told me 15 years ago that

my last years on Earth would be characterized my an extreme anxiety about the future of the United States as a result of the Country being taken over by a band of crooks, I would have thought it to be a joke. The human race has been made sick by the Republican thugs in power. Honestly, I don't know what could be done at this point to throw them out.

[rzemanfl]

16. If someone had written a book in 1999 with the last 5 years as the

plot, everyone would have said it was too incredible. Let's hope we can get rid of these SOBs soon.

[ladjf]

20. Your thoughts about the book are correct.

If we could at least slow down some of the electronic voting frauds, perhaps enough people would be able to vote Democratic to be able to regain control over either the House or the Senate,if not both. Were that to happen, especially both, there would be a real chance that the criminality of the present regime could be brought to light. Think how therapeutic it would be for the world to see that our system of government was strong enough to survive and recover. We can at least hope and do whatever we can to turn things around.

[rzemanfl]

25. I think the tenor of my post shows that I still hold out hope that our

system of government has enough resilency in it to get rid of these bastards.

[ladjf]

26. We are at about the same place with regard to our appraisal

of the current political situation.

[AntiCoup2K4]

12. Nope. That wouldn't be enough.

Bush would get away with the blow job from a woman. Just like he got away with draft dodging, desertion, and drug use, despite his party's attack on Clinton for similar things.

So they would have to catch Junior getting a blow job from a man. THAT would alienate the right wing base (except for the closet cases in the party leadership)

Maybe Jeff Gannon-Guckert-Gosch needs the money? ;)

[rzemanfl]

19. That's why I added her being a terrorist with bird flu. n/t

[Lexingtonian]

10. I'll settle for

the "Democrats regain both houses of Congress in 2006" part.

The present bunch of Republicans is beyond coping with loss of any substantial lever of power. They're so overstretched and used up that all of their hold on power will come apart.

It's December 2006. You're Bush, you have a 30% approval rating and your Party (rightly or wrongly) blames you for losing both chambers of Congress. Come February, Democrats will be investigating everything your Administration has ever done and checking all the books for where the money went and subpoenaing all the Administration liars to testify to what they said under oath. Iraq is a disaster. The budget is hell. Homeland Security is a Potemkin Village. DeLay is gone, Cheney has become invisible. Democrats are going to pass a tax hike on your rich buddies and put it on your desk to sign as your own death warrant: if you sign you're dead to your own Party. If you don't sign the Oval Office turns into solitary confinement and they'll come to give you political beatings every so often...if not impeachment when they find where the bodies are buried. Opinion polling says that a Democrat will be elected to replace you in '08.

What you do then, if you are George Dubya, is hold out for a while. Then you ask to make a deal. In the end you keep the office and a little public respect and won't issue pardons or lie about them in public. In return they get your signature on every piece of paper they put before you and keep what they've found out out of the papers. And they won't refer to you as Nixon Junior in public.

[AndyTiedye]

13. We Already Know Some of What They Will Do To Keep Control of Congress

Congressional districts have been and are still being gerrymandered in unprecedented ways to ensure Republican control.
The media will sing the praises of the Republicans, no matter how badly they have been screwing the country. If they ever utter a discouraging word about a Republican, they will immediately follow it with the assertion that the Democrats are worse.
Millions of voters will be Blackwelled (i.e. illegally disenfranchised).
Small airplanes carrying Democratic candidates will mysteriously fall out of the sky, just like in 2000 and 2002.
Voting machinez will change Democratic votes into Rethuglican ones, sometimes right before the voter's eyes.

What will it take to overcome all of this?

[rzemanfl]

17. I sure agree with you about the gerrymandering. Our district was

gerrymandered to eliminate the Cities of Clearwater and St. Petersburg(black folks and such) but keeps the barrier island of Clearwater Beach (rich white folks).

[agincourt]

15. A viable 3rd party comes along,

that siphons off republicans who want to get out from under bugman's boots. It's other component would be democrats who can't win in the south and midwest as democrats, but can win as part of this new 3rd party.

[rzemanfl]

18. I don't think there will be many places where someone can't win

as a Democrat by next Spring.

[AndyTiedye]

21. Except For Any Place That Has Electronic Voting Machinez

I don't think there will be many places where someone can't win as a Democrat by next Spring.

Except For Any Place That Has Electronic Voting Machinez

Fixing the votes around the Party

Or a Secretary of State Like:

or
or a governor like

and if all else fails, they can always:

[rzemanfl]

24. I am hoping that there is some point where the cheating would be

so obvious that it couldn't succeed. For example, if a candidate is down 80/20 in the polls do you really think they would dare try to say they picked up 31% the night before the election? They can, of course, try to rig the polls, but they take a huge risk by asking Zogby or someone like that to fake something for them.

My suggestion for 2006 is that every dem voter wear something blue, preferably a hat, when they go to vote. If nearly everyone who votes see that everyone else in line is voting their way, it is going to be pretty hard to sell any "miracles" to them.

[Goldensilence]

22. you forgot one other option..

revolution.

[rzemanfl]

23. I said "non-violent" n/t