George Will slams liberals on TABOR in Colorado ! What gall !

[EVDebs]

Taxes and Colorado's 'Apostate'

By George F. Will

Sunday, October 2, 2005; Page B07
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/01/AR2005100100930.html

"For conservatives and other sensible people, it is doubt-inducing, not to mention excruciatingly unpleasant, to be on the same side of an argument as public employee unions, whose ravenous appetite for government growth is constant and self-aggrandizing. Explaining his temporary alliance with those unions, Owens points to a clock on his office wall. He says it comes from a Soviet submarine and that it is broken, but even it is right twice a day."

Huh ? This whole Taxpayer Bill of Rights is more of the conservative movement's exploitation of the offshoring capital and jobs of corporate multinationals (basically all individuals and companies making more than $3 million annually) while harping for tax cuts that make the middle classes tax burden even worse !

"Sensible people", as in Democrats and Concord Coalition Republicans along with disaffected Reagan Republicans, like Paul Craig Roberts, have had ENOUGH of the neocon's name-calling and fantasy economics. They can see that after 14 years of TABOR in Colorado that that state is now electing sensible Democrats who know that that money is being offshored and even out-of-stated with beggar-thy-neighbor corporate welfare (see Time Magazine Nov. 9, 1998 States At War
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601981109,00.html cover story )

Now Gov Schwarzeneggar in CA is trying for a TABOR in next month's special election. Democrats would do well to hammer Ahnold's Tom Campbell--the free marketeer who has been chosen to spearhead the CA TABOR version of Colorado's fiasco. Until corporate taxes that have been avoided and then invested overseas, thus spiking CEO and stockholder incomes while simultaneously jacking up taxes for those 'left behind' are repatriated -- as with the recent Washington Post stories hinting that $350 billion has come back so far in this temporary 'fix' that should be MADE PERMANENT in some form or other

ASA Repatriation Scorecard $200 billion repatriated back to America on track for $350 billion total
http://www.americanshareholders.com/news/asa-repat-08-19-05.pdf

shows globalization's utter failure while at the same time idiots like Grover Norquist, George Will, and other sundry fools masquerading as "sane people" ignore the fact that this monetary 'hot money' capital repatriation is the ONLY THING that has kept the economy stumbling forward.

A little intellectual honesty from the likes of Mr. Will and his neocon hallelujah chorus would go a long way to making things better economically in the US. Maybe they could even talk Tom Friedman into debating Lou Dobbs or Paul Craig Roberts, but I doubt it.

DUers arise ! The truth will set us free !

[MuseRider]

1. It is being toured

here too in Kansas. Taxes seem to be a bigger hot button in this state than even evolution.

[EVDebs]

3. Get them to realize the linkage to outsourced jobs and capital !

You win by showing them the repatriation article. That money, on the taxbreak that corporations got in a 'one time deal' this summer is what has floated our economy's boat.

Once people see that globalization is behind all of this they will rise up !

[MuseRider]

4. Thank you.

I will call my friend in the legislature and make certain she knows this too. I know she is certainly against it. Sounds like a few LTTE's are in order if they will only print them.

[EVDebs]

7. BEAT THE DRUMS FOR CAPITAL REPATRIATION !

It's the perfect 'triangulation' political play to use Clinton era lingo. Stockholders, the government, and anti-globalizationists like me, all get to bang that drum !

[MuseRider]

9. It is being

sponsored here by Koch Industries I think. Anyway, there were a bunch of people out screaming at the bus yelling, "Koch Heads". It really did not make very much sense to a lot of people but it was kind of funny.

[RoBear]

10. I think that goes back to the recent school funding battle.

When the TABOR bus came to Wichita, there was a crowd of about 60 "supporters"--or maybe just curious--and a group of about 20 protesting. A friend of mine in the protest group called me before it got here and said the venue had changed about four times, and she contends (tin-foil hat time?) they were afraid of the protesters.

[MuseRider]

11. I have not seen

it yet although it may have been here and since our "paper" sucks so bad I would never have known anyway.

Good for you protesting it. Were you in the group shouting, "Koch heads"?

[RoBear]

12. Got the numbers from Wichita Eagle.

Unfortunately, I wasn't there--had other obligations and by the time I heard it was too late to get there. I travel by city bus, which as someone said, run between the hours of 2 p.m. :)

But I like the "Koch heads" chant. I'll ask my friend about it!

[LittleClarkie]

2. They've been pushing TABOR here in Wisconsin as well.

I didn't realize it was all over.

[EVDebs]

5. OH YEAH ! Check this Idaho weblink at

Idahoans for Tax Reform
www.idtaxreform.com/TABORintro.htm

It's all related to Grover Norquist's starve the beast/drown it in the bathtub lunacy.

The end result is incompetent public administration and cronyism with the ensuing privatizations and corruption processes.

When the truth is known, even Republicans can be persuaded to the rational side, as long as we don't rub their noses in it too much. The hurricanes have made things sooooo apparent that even wordsmiths like George Will don't stand a chance.

[MaineDem]

14. Here in Maine too

There's a signature-gathering going on now to get TABOR on the 11/06 ballot.

[marbuc]

6. To be fair, he also slammed conservatives

that have assailed Gov. Owens' act of temporarary sanity:

"Those now calling Owens an apostate from the church of conservatism need to answer two questions. Is one deviation from doctrinal purity sufficient grounds for excommunication? Is a political creed that is so monomaniacal about taxation that it allows no latitude for tacking with shifting fiscal winds a philosophy of governance or an ideological fetish?"

[EVDebs]

8. He never mentioned globalization or repatriation of capital

and to be fair his article makes it sound like Republicans are just having a Colorado state 'marital spat'... you can go on ignoring those irrelevant Democrats/Greens/anti-globalization people, their opinions mean nothing. Let them continue eating cake.

[paulk]

13. FYI - if your interested in the effects of TABOR on Colorado

"politcat's" post in this thread lays it out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=142&topic_id=2961

[EVDebs]

15. Thanks to all of you who've responded to my post, R T Naylor's

book Hot Money and The Politics of Debt

http://www.pubgouv.com/essai/hot_money.htm

should be required reading for anti-globalizationists since it shows that capital flight both legal and illegal have been the cause of much world economic woes, tying in nicely with the book Confessions of An Economic Hit Man

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/09/1526251

whose work of screwing other countries out of capital are now being tried out on the US taxpayer. Lovely. Same global multinational corporations who don't mind who's getting the shaft as long as the CEOs CFOs etc etc all get theirs and the stock prices are artificially puffed up.

[sadiesworld]

16. kick

[EVDebs]

17. I know this will sound dumb but ...

after 1000 posts I still don't know what this 'kick' is ! Do me a favor though and push this for the 'greatest page' for more exposure.

[sadiesworld]

18. "kick" is used when you want to help a post stay on the front page

so more DUers will see it but you don't have any comments to offer on the topic.

It's too late to recommend your post--sorry--it has to be w/i 24 hrs. of the original post.

Nice work tho'. :thumbsup: