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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:35 PM
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Insiders dish on Miers: an Evangelical w/views consistent with her Church
http://www.worldmagblog.com/blog/

This is a series of blog posts on a Christian News site, based on interviews with people close to Miers, each post is characterized as "pro"or "con" regarding her SC nomination. This is some scary shit- it looks like she is a hardcore evangelical, fundamentalist, pro-life Christian. She may thump her Bible softly, but she is clearly steeped in Fundamentalist dogma and this is not good.

Best Quote: Meirs has called B*sh "the smartest man she's known".


Harriet Miers -- pro, part 1

This begins a series of seven posts on Harriet Miers, based on interviews with those who know her. Some background for the first five: I spoke yesterday with Nathan Hecht, the Texas Supreme Court justice who is a prolife hero for strongly supporting parental notification laws five years ago when a SCOTEX majority was scuttling them. Hecht, 55 and never married, and Harriet Miers, 60 and never married, have known each other for 30 years and are -- to quote Hecht -- "very close friends. We dated some. The relationship has been close: Platonic... We go to dinner, I go to Washington for special things."

Harriet Miers -- pro, part 2

Miers has been a member of Valley View Christian Church in Dallas for 25 years, where Hecht has been an elder. He calls it a "conservative evangelical church... in the vernacular, fundamentalist, but the media have used that word to tar us." He says she was on the missions committee for ten years, taught children in Sunday School, made coffee, brought donuts: "Nothing she's asked to do in church is beneath her." On abortion, choosing his words carefully for an on-the-record statement, he says "her personal views are consistent with that of evangelical Christians... You can tell a lot about her from her decade of service in a conservative church."

Harriet Miers -- pro, part 3

Hecht says about Miers' judicial philosophy: "She's an orginalist -- that's the way she takes the Bible," and that's her approach to the Constitution as well -- "Originalist -- it means what it says." He notes that her legal practice involved writing contracts rather than tort law, so she was always looking at the plain meaning of the words: "Originalist." He also says she's not a social butterfly who will be swayed by Washington dinner table conversation: "She goes to the dinners she's supposed to go to. She's not on the social circuit."

Harriet Miers -- pro, part 4

Hecht says Miers never got married because she "probably worked too hard. She's close to her family, has a sister and three brothers, goes to her nephews' high school football games, bought a car for one of them." She "had a Catholic upbringing, had not been close to the church, it was off again, on again, then she came to a point in her life when she wanted to change that…. She made an abrupt change in 79 or 80. She was very hard-working and successful, she wanted new meaning, substance in her life.”
Her father died when she was a freshman in college. "Look at her commitment in taking care of her all these years. Look at her tax returns. She tithes, gave a full tithe to the church. Helps out in missions, Bible translation. These are the kinds of values she shows." Hecht and Miers "went to two or three prolife dinners in the late 80s or early 90s."

Harriet Myers -- anti

Hecht's evaluation needs to be taken seriously, but here's one negative analysis from a lawyer who is a conservative Christian and worked with Harriet Miers in Texas (I agreed to go off-the-record with this lawyer, a credible person whose practice could be seriously hurt by this criticism of Miers): "Harriet could have become a conservative in Washington, but unless she did, she doesn’t have any particular judicial philosophy… I never heard her take a position on anything… We’ll have another Sandra Day O’Connor… Harriet worships the president and has called him the smartest man she’s known. She’s a pretty good lawyer…. This president can be bamboozled by anyone he feels close to. If a person fawns on him enough, is loyal, works 25 hours a day and says you’re the smartest man I ever met, all of a sudden you’re right for the Supreme Court."

Harriet Miers -- her pastor's view

I talked yesterday with Miers' pastor, Ron Key, who for 33 years (until a few weeks ago) was pastor of Valley View Christian Church in Dallas. “She started coming to church in 1980. She helped out with kids, made coffee, furnished donuts, served on missions committee. She worked out her faith in practical, behind-the-scenes ways. She doesn't draw attention to herself, she's humble, self-effacing." Key has still seen her in recent years because "her mother is 93. Harriet tries to get home as much as she can." When Key and Miers met in 1980, "I don’t know how strong her faith was at that time. She came to a place where she totally committed her life to Jesus. She had gone to church before, but when she came to our church it became more serious to her.... Our church is strong for life, but Harriet and I have not had any conversations on that…. We believe in the biblical approach to marriage."
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:39 PM
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1. coincidence that her pastor retires a few weeks before...
she's nominated for SC? maybe. 33 yrs at any job is long enough, but...

i don't know where i'm goin' with this, but if i were the inquisitive type...
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:45 PM
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2. just what we need: a Church Lady on the High Court
wagging her finger at we sinners
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:35 PM
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12. But that is because she thinks we sinners are ruled by
SAAAAAAAAAATAAAAN!!!!!
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:19 PM
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24. tee hee
did you see that ENORMOUS cross Miers wore today at the announcement. I thought Jesus would hop off and shake her hand.

Any, talk about sending a MESSAGE.
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ozarkvet Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:59 PM
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28. Boyfriend
She has a long-time boyfriend --- also a anti-abortion guy who is a deacon in the church.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 01:51 PM
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3. "We go to dinner, I go to Washington for special things."
And what "special things" would those be, pray tell? That just says it all. She's a repressed wingnut. :eyes:
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 02:28 PM
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4. kick
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 02:40 PM
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5. whats "the biblical approach to marriage" code for?
I lost my code key.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:05 PM
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7. i bet it means a return to polygamy and women as property.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:36 PM
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15. That would explain why she did not marry
It's ok for the rest of those clowns, but I am not having it!!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:11 PM
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8. God-man-woman in that order. The woman is subservient to the
man in all things.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:32 PM
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10. The basics:
1. God is in charge of the marriage as interpreted by the husband, who is in charge of the wife.
2. No adultery of any kind--no porn or anything that would encourage a spouse to look on in lust at anyone else.
3. Definitely no persons of the GLBT kind anywhere (they're really bizarre on this one, as they think anyone other than a "normal" heterosexual is a deviant who is going to hell)
4. Children. You have to at least try to have kids.
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pelagius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:25 PM
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25. Biblical marriage...
...is a lifelong covenant between one man and one (or more) women, if you read what's there, like a good "orginalist" should. A guy is also supposed to treat his concubines well.

The current version of the code is Biblical Marriage = No Gay Marriage.
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ozarkvet Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 01:28 PM
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35. Code breaker
The long and short of the Chrisitian belief is this in theory:

1. The woman is to respect the man, and make herself subservient to him.

2. The man is to love the woman "as Christ loved the Church;" that is, putting her interest first in all things to the point of his willing to suffer death for her.

The theory is that the man will so love the wife that his decisions are always to her benefit, selfless, and otherwise act is such a manner to be worthy of her respect. The woman, in turn, will so respect the man's job of putting her interests first that her job will be easy, as well.

This theory further provides:

1. It is not the man's job to make the woman respect him; rather, he is to love her so and be so good to her that he is worthy of respect, which would (eventually) come.

2. Similarly, it is not the woman's job to make the man love her; rather, she is to so respect the man that his selfless love comes easy.

The Biblical basis is as follows, from Paul's letter to the Church in Ephesis:

"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— for we are members of his body. "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."

That's the theory, anyone.

Kindly do not flame the messenger; I am well aware of the difficulties in implimenting the above.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 02:51 PM
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6. A Biblical originalist?
So, she's fluent in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic? Or does she just docilely accept what some man says the translator said? And if she's "totally committed her life to Jesus," just how does she square that with working in the Bush White House, one of the most anti-christian nests of vipers you could ever find?
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:21 PM
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9. She lied.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:33 PM
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11. or she's an imbecile.
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 03:33 PM by Pacifist Patriot
Neither quality being particularly appealling on the bench.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:52 PM
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19. Considering past appointments. She is perfect.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:36 PM
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13. It means she reads the King James Version, most likely.
Yeah, that's not original, but most evangelicals who say they are originalists read the KJV. Silly, I know.

She lies to herself, believing that Bush is a born-again Christian and that he's being led by God. That's how she squares it.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:36 PM
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14. False prophets and all that
I understand your anger, the hypocrisy makes me crazy.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:45 PM
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17. The Word of God
as represented by The Holy Bible is the absolute truth. Old Testament, New Testament, that's it. None of that Gnostic Gospel crap, no Apocrypha, or anything else. See http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=18905 for an explanation.

Folks, this woman is a fundamentalist Christian from Texas and an intensely loyal Bush follower. She is the Religious Right.
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dretceterini Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:19 PM
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21. It would be fine with me
if the woman made judgements based on the beliefs of Jesus, but by the time the "bible" was translated from Aramaic and Hebrew to Greek and to English, there are now more than 15,000 mistranslations, (according to Aramaic scholars such as George Lamsa and Rocco Errico through the web site www.noohra.com) IMO, Bibles are about CHURCH agenda, not spiritual belief.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:36 PM
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16. Good heavens, that quote right there should be enough to block her.
Meirs has called B*sh "the smartest man she's known".

Evidence of incompetency if I've ever seen it.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 03:49 PM
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18. Incompetence or hardcore ass kissing
My bet she has her head so far up George's ass she could lick his tonsils.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:15 PM
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20. Someone WORSE THAN SCALIA??? Sure looks like it!
Edited on Mon Oct-03-05 04:24 PM by YOY
Really giving the people what they want, eh Shrub?

Just what we need! :sarcasm:
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:34 PM
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23. Yes, the people of God, heathen!!! n/t
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 04:31 PM
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22. A 50-something virgin.
Wow. As close to asexual as humanly possible. Just wow.
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Dem Agog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:28 PM
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27. Dear God is she only 50-something?
Baby was rode hard and put away wet a LOT....

but apparently, not by any man.

Jesus what's the world coming to?

And I don't just mean that as a passing phrase... Jesus I'm serious, we need an answer. What's the world coming to when this wrinkled prune is nominated?

Send her back to kindergarten and tell her to start her miserable failure of a life over again.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:52 PM
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29. Honey she NEVER got wet. Lokk at her for chissakes.
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Dem Agog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 05:27 PM
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26. Hahahahaha the 60 Year Old Virgin!!!
:lol: :lol:

Seriously, should a virgin be making reproductive decisions for this country?

Forget judicial experience... If she's so biblical then clearly she's never made the beast with two backs before.

Any nominee, male or female, who hasn't been between the sheets with a member of the opposite sex has no business being in any position of power. She's unqualified.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 07:53 PM
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30. should a virgin be making reproductive decisions for this country?
NO FUUK NO NO NO

clear?




lol
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:02 PM
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31. If Bush is the smartest man she has ever met, she needs to get out more...
It seems weird to speculate on her being unmarried and sixty years old...but I am going to anyway. Do we think she has been around Bush long enough that he ruined her for other men? And isn't as weird as hell that a woman that is generally considered to be intelligent so obviously worships Bush? Weird and icky?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:17 PM
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32. She's a fricking fundamentalist baptist nun, fer cryin out loud
Nice freak show we got going on SCOTUS
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 11:35 PM
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33. Femmebot on Faux news just called her "Helen".
at the newsbreak during Brit Hume's puke-fest.

She kinda looks like a Helen, but FOX gets it wrong once again.

The congressional "interviews" with Harriet/Helen should prove interesting.



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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 12:52 PM
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34. this nomination should NOT go forward
this lady is a Fundie on a mission- what is her background on Constitutional law? This one is way more dangerous than Roberts.
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