23 Democrats and all Republicans in Senate betray American people

[genius]

Today I am ashamed to be a Democrat. My two Senators did not betray the American people but 23 others did. They cannot pass the buck by allowing Roberts to do their evil for them. They voted to day to support permanent detention of American citizens without trial and without rights (even without the right to an attorney), and to support the torture of children, to support the kidnapping of children, the selling of children into bondage and the trial of children by military tribunals. They voted that it was OK for the thousands of blacks to be disenfranchised in Florida (nothing wrong with the people who did it) They voted that a coup against the American people to fix an election and place a fascist tyrant in office was fine and there was nothing wrong with it They voted to support the slavery of women and the cutting of women's paychecks to make them an inferior sex. They voted to overturn the Voting Rights Act of 1965. They voted that the Endangered Species Act is unconstitutional. They voted that it is OK to wipe out all life on Earth as long as corporations want to wipe out all life on Earth. They voted that children should be dragged away in handcuffs for non-jail-able offenses. They voted that it is OK for justices to rule in favor of their own family. They voted that it is OK for the Courts to tell Congress they cannot stop an illegal war. They voted that the President is superior to Congress. They voted that advocating the killing of doctors is just fine. They voted that men and not women should control a woman's body. They voted for a lot of other bad stuff, too. When the revolution comes, I hope that all these traitors go to prison for life. I hope there will be women and blacks there to tell them what they can and cannot do with their bodies, so they will get just a taste of what they have done to the American people. Never will I give one dime or one minute of my time to support any future election for any of these individuals. I will also never vote for any of these individuals ever in the future. I am at least proud that my Senators have not acted worse than the Germans who supported Hitler. People of a couple of other states can be proud, too. I would like to say to the constituents of the Democrats who betrayed us, what more could you have done? What could you have said to get your leaders to realize the importance of this vote. Did anyone from your state give them the message that this was a career-breaking vote?


The traitors who betrayed the American people today:
YEAs ---78
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

[Mass]

1. 22 - Jeffords is NOT a Democrat.

[genius]

23. Thanks. I accidentally counted him.

[ginnyinWI]

43. yes, and the ones to remember are the GOOD guys:

Here is the list of who stood up and voted NO:
Akaka
Bayh
Biden
Boxer
Dayton
Durbin
Cantwell
Clinton
Corzine
Feinstein
Harken
Inwouye
Kennedy
Kerry
Lautenberg
Mikulski
Obama
Reed
Reid
Sarbanes
Schumer
Stabenow

[serryjw]

65. What's wrong with this picture?

Feingold VOTES to confirm
Feinstein VOTES to NOT confirm?


My heads spinning!

[wildflower]

2. Thank you for this information

I am amazed that it's been almost three hours and news of this isn't on the Greatest page.

This is a sad day.

wildflower

ON EDIT: Just wanted to say that I too am baffled by why some Democrats voted for this. But what I especially wanted to thank you for was listing the reasons Roberts is a bad choice, based on his record. I think this information hasn't gotten out enough.

I hope that I am wrong about him and that he will vote differently in the future, but I still did what I could to stop it. And if that's the reason some Democrats voted for him (simply hoping they were wrong), I am very saddened.

[quinnox]

3. I have no problem with their vote

I understand the reasoning of it. The president should get a justice that represents his philosophy to a certain degree, and Roberts is about the best out of a bad bunch that the Dems could get. If you thought Roberts was bad, just wait until you see who Bush will nominate next. I bet it will make Roberts look like a great pick.

[genius]

19. So he's got the right to put women in chains because he's President?

He's got the right to pemanently detain Americans because he's President?

[geomon666]

41. How can you know he's the best?

He has virtually no federal judiciary experience. He refused to answer any questions concerning his views and background. Nobody knows what this pig will do.

[kjwood]

75. how do you know?

so how do you know he's a pig if you know nothing about him? For all you know, he could be another Souter. And for all you know, he could be another Thomas. Give him time, and you'll know for sure.

[geomon666]

83. I don't need to know.

He's appointed by bush, that's all I need to know about his character. Bush likes him, he's a pig.

[personman]

108. Exactly!

When I first heard Bush wanted Roberts for chief justice I thought, "For anyone who had any doubts that this man was anything other then a raving right-wing lunatic who feeds on the blood of poor children, now you know". OF COURSE HE'S A NUT! Bush picked him...

Now that he's in he can stop struggling to hold all the evil in, that he had to hide from the spotlight. He can be a little more conspicuous
when he steals away into the night with a fresh minority infant to hungrily devour.

-personman

[kjwood]

114. robot chicken

About the devouring infants comment, I think you've been watching too much Adult Swim on Sunday nights (Robot Chicken). lol

[personman]

116. Never watched it...

Perhaps it was just a writer with similar comedic tastes to mine. :)

-personman

[kjwood]

119. Seth Green

Actually, it was Seth Green (Austin Powers-Scott, Rat Race, & Family Guy-Chris) and another guy who wrote it. In one episode, Walt Disney dies, is reincarnated, and has to feed on the bodies of Cuban children to survive, so he goes crazy when he hears about Elian Gonzales.

Of course, you'll have to have an...... interesting sense of humor to enjoy the ridiculous nature of this TV show.

[kjwood]

113. Bush can't win

So basically it wouldn't have mattered who he nominated, no matter how "conservative" or "liberal." Since they're Bush appointees, they're automatically pigs. I'd be careful about that sort of talk, because if Bush nominates someone you like in the future (and it may be a moderate to replace O'Connor), you may have to retract the "pig" comment.

[geomon666]

115. The day Bush someone appoints someone I like...

is the day I piss cotton candy and monkeys fly out of my ass. In other words, I won't hold my breath.

[personman]

118. It's about an established pattern of behavior...

That pattern is picking people who will enable his bat-shit crazy agenda whenever possible. You will not see Bush pick a liberal for something until to do otherwise would be to commit political suicide.

[kjwood]

120. History favors moderate-liberal justices

It's just that I can't forget Bush Sr.'s "Read my lips...blah blah blah" when he appointed Souter. Like Roberts, Souter was a stealth candidate, and he ended up being a bitter disappointment for conservatives and Republicans. In fact, all the Supreme Court Justices (except Breyer and Ginsburg) were appointed by Republicans, and only 3 were solid conservatives (Thomas, Scalia, and Rehnquist). O'Connor and Kennedy fall into the "wild card, swing vote" category, and Stevens and Souter were conservative disappointments.

And I'm not sure Bush is in a position where he could easily commit political suicide. After all, he won re-election, so short of a despicable scandal, he's there until 2008 no matter what he does.

[verdalaven]

46. Who do we have to bribe to change this system?

Seriously, how can we change this system? There should be term limits on a job as important as the Supreme Court, especially when an asshat like bush is making the appointments and we have a cadre of enablers to back him up.

Ugh, I am not even pissed off about this, I am just numb. I hate this administration. And I am disappointed in Levin for voting for Roberts. Tell me, what could it have hurt to just vote no? It would have at least let me know that he is really on our side, and not just Dems, but on the side of the AMERICAN people!

[Czolgosz]

57. Roberts is NOT "about the best out of a bad bunch." He's among the very

most extreme of all the potential nominees whose names were floated in the media (excluding who would have been such filibuster bait that they would have had virtually no chance of confirmation). I don't know who been feeding this "Roberts is about the best out of a bad bunch" hoo-ha but it's tripe. Roberts has a record, it's a slim record, but it's a record of extreme judicial activism well beyond the mainstream of conservative jurisprudence.

We can only share our outrage with the "ignominious 22" in the hope that they won't betray our values again when the next nominee comes up.

[femrap]

79. He's part of The Federalist Society and his

wife is a Feminist for Life...they are both part of some weird Catholic sect called Opus Dei....google that and then tell me this guy isn't dangerous. He will overturn Roe v. Wade...

And he bought children from Ireland via South America....and he just might be a self-hating closet case.

We're toast. I am so disgusted by these 22 Democrats...just for once can't the Dems stand together? I am calling all 22 of those assholes tomorrow...as far as I am concerned, real Democrats should face these turds in their next primaries.

[xxqqqzme]

71. no, the president DOES NOT

get a justice that will sit on the supreme court for a good 40 years AFTER dickhead leaves office. We R now shackled 2 the ideology of the radical, rabid, rong whacko neo-cons for a couple of generations - B sure 2 leave a note for your grandchildren.

[aquart]

4. Feingold?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. I know you are angry

but I have to ask you to explain this statement:

"I am at least proud that my Senators have not acted worse than the Germans who supported Hitler."

Thanks. I'm really interested in your viewpoint. This is not a snarky flame, I promise.

[undergroundpanther]

6. Im so glad Mikulski

was not in that list of traitors
She should be working with her fellow dems harder so that votes like this do NOT occur.

Barbra Mikulski(MD) did the right thing but failed to stop her peers from doinmg evil.

Barbara M..the only thing that lets evil people get away with doing evil to anyone they can get away with doing it to is when good people sit around and do NOTHING!!!!

[madrchsod]

7. jeez

looks like the people in illinois are totally screwed. well...we still have fat denny..

[eyesroll]

8. "Career-breaking vote?"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Because the 1 percent of people who care about this have that much influence over the 99 percent who don't?

Because one vote negates all the other votes and actions in someone's career?

Because "Hitler" is a really great way to win an argument?

[Fenris]

9. Why do you love Hitler?

[eyesroll]

16. I do have a German last name...

:shrug:

[Fenris]

22. A double-agent!

[nonconformist]

42. You really think only 1% of the population cares

who is the Chief Justice for the next 30+ years? THE person that will interpret our Constitution and our laws? Are you shitting me?

I think you need some perspective if you are looking at this as just one random, insignificant vote in someone's career. Either that or you need to educate yourself.

[eyesroll]

55. Maybe 1 percent of the public considers this important enough to change

their vote on a Senator. Far more than 1 percent think of this as important, of course. But they won't weigh this against an entire career and use this as a deciding factor.

I think you overestimate the involvement of the public in the electoral process. Most of them won't care, come 2006 or 2008, how their Senator voted in this case, especially if Roberts turns out to be a non-monster (which we all seem to be discounting as a possibility).

Most people don't give a damn. Really. That's why most of them don't vote. (Go around your neighborhood and your office or the gym and ask people to name as many justices as they can. If you can get all 9 within an hour, I'd be surprised. Hell, if you can get more than half of the people to name John Roberts, I'd be impressed.)

[nonconformist]

59. Exactly. If they don't give a shit, they don't vote ANYWAY

What you are overlooking is the laundry list of shit we've had to deal with - bankruptcy bill, rolling over on the filibuster rules, PATRIOT ACT, Iraq War Resolution... need I go on? It's often the same players.

They're not gaining any new fans with their weak convictions and they're pissing off their base... the ones that DO pay attention and vote regularly.

I'm not claiming that every one that voted to confirm Roberts will lose their next election. But maybe they should.

[eyesroll]

64. But in this case, it's not the same people.

Feingold, Byrd, Leahy...yea on Roberts. And I wouldn't call them particularly weak in the conviction department. (If anything -- I know enough about Feingold to believe he voted his conscience, knowing it would piss off his base.)

Feinstein, Bayh, Biden...nay on Roberts. Yea on lots of other crap.

[jwirr]

94. I suspect that is about right until they do something that will

affect the sheeple and THEN they will be interested. That is the way the elections went in the last two general elections. Regardless of the education everyone receives in this country few actually know how it is run and what makes it tick. It is very sad that we need to have hurricanes to wake people up.

[Zynx]

117. What's the most recent poll on how many even know who CJ *is*?

Normally, it's some horribly low number, and knowing all nine is pretty close to 1%.

[Czolgosz]

60. I vote, I contribute financially, and I work the polls, and this vote is

a deal killer for me. You may not take it seriously, but none of the 22 will ever get my help in any Democratic primary, and I know many who feel the same way.

[MindPilot]

10. "Today I am ashamed to be a Democrat." Today?!

Hell, I've been ashamed to be a Democrat for five years. What makes today any different? They serve their corporate masters not the people whom they supposedly represent.

[genius]

24. Today, we cannot hide from that reality.

You are right about the last five years.

[John Q. Citizen]

11. It's a tempest in a teapot. Roberts was a slam dunk because

the Repos control the Senate. Trading Rehnquist for Roberts is a draw.

If every Democrat had voted ageist him what difference would it have made?

Symbolic, perhaps yes, but not that symbolic even.

It's all the circus half of "Bread and Circus."

[bee]

14. I agree. This vote is certainly not a deal-breaker for me.

It doesnt change my opinion of any of them.

[despairing optimist]

54. I think there's a Democratic strategy at work here: yes to Roberts

and hellfire to a RW extremist's replacing O'Connor. How else to explain Feingold's vote? We're not privy to inside deals and strategies and can only second-guess the senators, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt in this case.

Now, if Feingold approves Priscilla Owen to replace O'Connor, the sky will have fallen. Even Alberto Gonzales should be a no-go after the Roberts vote. We'll have to see what kind of horse trading went on to get nearly two dozen Democrats to climb onto this bandwagon.

[John Q. Citizen]

82. I agree. It depends on who bush nominates and what the

Dem response is. Of course if the nominee is unacceptable to the Dems and not to their Repo counter parts, our only course will be delay, and eventually, filibuster.

I found it interesting that a number of the Dem "No" votes on roberts were from Senators who seem to rubberstamp most of bush's agenda, and a number of the "yes" votes were from Senators who often vote against the bush agenda.

I'm not sure what to make of that.

[Double T]

12. It's the 22 Democrats that betrayed our party and our trust

It makes me really pissed when Democrats collude with the enemy to destroy the future of this country. They will be held accountable for placing roberts as the head honcho of SCOTUS.

[Magrittes Pipe]

13. This may be the first time I have ever seen Godwin's Law invoked in an OP.

:o

[Fenris]

15. Liar.

:D

[no name no slogan]

17. This vote didn't mean sh!t

the REAL fight will be over O'Connor's replacement. The Dems knew they couldn't block Roberts, so they let BushCo slide with a little tap on the wrist.

The Dems are not stupid-- they KNEW they wouldn't be able to stop Roberts. After Rehnquist died, they knew Roberts was all but a done deal-- that's why they only put up token opposition.

Unfortunately, we don't have unlimited ammunition, and we have to choose our targets carefully. O'Connor's replacement will be grilled to Bork-esque proportions, with similar results.

Roberts is a diversion. O'Connor's "swing" vote replacement will be the REAL battle.

[genius]

21. There will be no fight over O'Connors's replacement. That's just words

The Democrats proved today that when Hitler comes calling, half of our Democratic leaders will follow.

[no name no slogan]

26. Please, let's leave the emotional hyperbole out of it

No need to invoke Godwin's law in the first post of a thread.

Roberts != Hitler. Nor does Dubya != Hitler.

And resorting to pointless Hitler analogies does nothing for our arguments-- but does a lot to alienate thoughtful, intelligent people to our arguments, who might otherwise be open to them.

Roberts is not a whole lot different from Rehnquist, whom he is replacing. The Dems KNEW, with a GOP-controlled Senate and Judiciary Committee, that their chances of effectively blocking Roberts' nominatino were slim and none. They chose to save their ammo for the real target-- O'Connor's "swing vote" replacement.

Roberts was a done deal the day Rehnquist died. The token opposition was just there to show the GOP that we were still paying attention.

In a naval battle, you don't fire off all your guns to take out a PT boat. You save your big guns for the destroyers and the battleships.

[eggman67]

45. On the "Hitler" tactic

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0605/jon_stewart_holo.php3

Great Jon Stewart clip on this.

[Lecky]

90. At least you are not a drama queen

:sarcasm:

[texpatriot2004]

18. John Roberts STOLED MY VOTE in 2000. Roberts is a THIEF!

I can't believe this lying immoral bastard was even nominated, much less confirmed for not only a "Justice" position, but the "Chief Justice" postition...what a sham and a shame it is. It makes me want to leave the country because this lying thief is not going to look after my rights. He'll be for the religious fanatics, the crooks, the corporate monsters, and the rest of the evildoers. He lied to all of the Senators with his "no comment" crap; he told them what he thought they wanted to hear but ROBERTS IS LIAR and he will do the opposite of what he makes it seem like. BE YE NOT DECEIVED! The Great Deceiver lives in the White House and Roberts was chosen by him. I am disgusted and ashamed at this travesty.

[EndElectoral]

20. Robert's Decisions will come back to haunt them!

This vote will hurt many of them going forward much as the vote o nthe Iraq War Resolution has hurt Senators who voted for it. Feingold's vote for this guy was particularly disturbing since he voted against the Iraq War Resolution.

Which Dems are left who voted against Roberts AND against the War Resolution? Who beyond Kennedy and Boxer?

[Catchawave]

25. OH well :(

Are you guys watching the rape of the endangered species act on cspan now ? NOW.

If it passes, we're triple f*cked today :(

Note to self,must start new thread !

[Czolgosz]

63. The Endangered Species Act? Roberts believes congress has no authority to

enforce that Act so we're fucked regardless of the legislative outcome.

[onenote]

27. hard to "betray the American people" when they elected chimpy

Leaving aside vote fraud issues that, while important as hell, aren't going to be resolved retroactively, the fact is that a whole lot of the "American people" wanted Chimpy to be president and knew what they would be getting in terms of a Supreme Court if he was elected. If there was a "betrayal" here, it was by a lot of Americans of American ideals. And while I intend, once again, to try as hard as possible to get Democrats elected in 2006 and in 2008, and while I appreciate your anger, suggesting (by implication) that half of the country are "traitors" doesn't seem like the best approach to electoral politics IMHO.

onenote

[Dr Fate]

61. Who has a 38% approval rating. n/t

n/t

[onenote]

73. or 45 % or whatever --doesn't make any difference

The only "polls" that count are the ones where folks actually vote.

And even so..it doesn't change the fact that the "American people" that voted him in are the one's guilty of betrayal of American values, whether they've changed their view of him or not...

onenote

[jwirr]

28. At the very least I would like an explanation from the Dems?

[eyesroll]

29. Many of them have statements on their Web sites.

AKA explanations.

[MaineDem]

32. Absolutely

I've read many of them. Our Senators struggled with this vote.

I don't think we were ever going to win this one. Time to move on.

I'm not happy and I think this was a very important turn of events but we have to go on to the next nominee.

[win_in_06]

30. What bothers me the most is that we were split and the repugs

were in unison.

[specimenfred1984]

31. Kick and Rec'd

Thanks for using the word "traitor" because that is exactly what these people are. They do not represent the American people.

[merwin]

33. Looks like I won't be voting for Murray (D-WA) this time around.

[MaineDem]

34. Will you vote for a Republican?

:eyes:

[Pacifist Patriot]

36. That's my dilemma in Florida.

We've got Bill Nelson up for re-election, no other democrats on the horizon and a slew of dangerous Republicans clambering for the job.

[Freddie Stubbs]

38. Only one Republican is currently running

Does anyone think that Katherine Harris would be an improvement over Bill Nelson?

[Pacifist Patriot]

39. She's polling almost in the negative numbers...

so there is much chatter about a few others who will be clawing after her spot.

[Freddie Stubbs]

47. Except that no one can beat her for the Republican nomination

Jeb is the only one who could, and he isn't interested.

[Pacifist Patriot]

51. Thank God...or whomever.

[flyarm]

80. hell nelson might as well be rethug the way he

has voted for the past year...i have no choice but to vote for nelson..but he will not get a red cent more from me..in fact i have painted pennies with red nail polish and everytime i get the money envelopes i send them back with a red penny and i say..not another red cent ..as long as you vote like a rethuglican!

been sending him alot of red pennys since last nov!!

fly

[merwin]

48. I'd rather vote for an independant than her.

Hopefully there will be a better democratic choice come election time.

Sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. If none of the true democrats stand up against the faux ones in congress, then we're being the enablers. Why should they change?

Would you tell someone who is being beaten not to leave his/her spouse because the next person to come along might be worse?

[MaineDem]

50. Highly unlikely.

Think of it this way. Maybe Nelson scored some GOP voters today by this vote. We were going to lose it anyhow. Some undecideds in Florida can look at this vote and think of voting for Nelson over Harris.

But it's a moot point if Democrats give up on him because of this vote. :shrug:

[AntiCoup2K4]

58. "We were going to lose it anyhow." Is that rationalization for everything?

Yes the pukes have a majority. Yes they would probably win the vote regardless.

So fucking what?

Every last Democrat should vote against these nominees because they are FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE. If the Democratic Senators present a united front, maybe, JUST MAYBE, a few Republicans might locate a ball sack and vote against the Chimp as well.

Instead they cave like the appeasement sellout traitor neocon pussies they are. And what's even more sickening is that we can't even blame this one on Al From, as some of the DLC'ers actually voted against the son of a fucking bitch.

I'm completely fucking disgusted :puke:

[MaineDem]

62. "a few Republicans might locate a ball sack"

Not all Republicans have one...some are women! I know you were typing metaphorically.

And no it's not an excuse for everything; it's real world for the ones we're going to LOSE.

It works the other way, too. We have two "moderate" Republican Senators in Maine. When they know they have the votes for something they are allowed to vote with the minority. This reinforces that "moderate" tag after their name. And it works, sadly. But it's all smoke and mirrors.

I'm pissed that Roberts was even nominated and then that he was confirmed. I'm pissed at the Senators who voted for him. I've contacted a few whom I know (sort of) and asked for explanations. Others I've read on their websites.

There'll be another fight. One we CAN win! I'm not going to give up on them for this one vote.

[fujiyama]

106. I don't think many that voted for him

are necessarily neocons and I certainly don't believe Feingold and Levin are.

I would say they are naive and have learned little though over the last several years. They seem to have been charmed by Roberts.

I'm disappointed in their votes though. I'm especially surprised in Levin's vote. He has been pretty consistant in voting against Bush's agenda. He had the sense to vote against the war, the appropriations, Condi, bankruptcy "reform", and a lot of other crap from this administration.

I hope they are right on Roberts, but I somehow doubt it. I believe he will undo much of what these (and several other usually decent senators), have worked for.

[onenote]

74. that theory worked really well in 2000

If you really think things have to get worse before they get better, then you should be sending cakes to the folks that supported Nader and candy to the Dems that voted for Roberts...

Personally, I'd like to see things start getting better before they get any worse.

onenote

[merwin]

76. But things won't get better by themselves.

Too much of the country doesn't care because it doesn't directly affect them enough.

There ARE alternatives. Run people like Hackett for congress in every purple district against the person currently in office, even if it is a "Democrat" (the kind of democrat that votes 50% of the time with the republicans). Keep the truly good dems and flush out the rest. It can be done. You do not have to choose between 1 democrat and 1 republican.

People need to wake up and see that they have a choice in the matter. In any case, once things get bad enough (my guess is that it will get bad enough by 2008), a democrat wil be elected. It's just what happens. Republicans repeal taxes, drive up the spending & deficit, and then once it gets high enough a democrat comes in to raise taxes and balance the budget, at which point the republican comes in promising lower taxes.

[AntiCoup2K4]

56. Looks like we're stuck with two republicans regardless.

Cantwell somehow got this vote right, but she's wrong most of the time, and lately Murray has acted like more of a DLC zombie than Cantwell.

NEITHER is voting the will of their constituents, that I can promise you. This is a bluer than blue state, and we don't need appeasement neocon sellouts.

[glitch]

111. Hopefully we can run someone against her in the primary.

Someone like Jay Inslee.

[Pacifist Patriot]

35. AAGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Off to pen a nasty-gram to Nelson. Grrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HughBeaumont]

37. GOD I hate Shit-Hio.

Two Reichpuke Senators. LOVE how a state that had shitloads of job losses for years just inSISts on voting these dickheads back in . . . again . . . and again . . . and again . . . WHEN is my state going to get a "Brian"?

[nonconformist]

40. Levin?!? Oh man, I'm so disappointed in him. nt

[mzmolly]

44. I will focus on the 50% of Dems in the Senate who voted against Roberts

knowing he would be confirmed anyway.

I am proud of those who protested Roberts with their votes. I am all for gutting the dems that did not do their jobs provided they will be replaced with a better Democrat however.

Thanks for the list. Do we have a list of our Democrats who voted properly on this issue?

[ArkDem]

49. America has become Overthetopopia....

[Nederland]

52. Scalia was confirmed 98-0

I you care to comment on that fact, do so here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2123659

[Dr Fate]

66. Lots of DEMs voted for the Iraq war & the Pat. Act too- so what?

Who is supposed to be impressed by this parlimentary tradition?

[LoZoccolo]

67. Ginzburg was confirmed 97-0.

Does that mean the Republicans are cool because they are Democrats now? I'm confused! :crazy:

[Dr Fate]

68. That was back when we were all under the illusion...

...that we could "work with each other."

After seeing Bush in action for the past 5 years, and after getting burned so many times for going along with Bush, it's clear that is not the case anymore.

I hope we can get back to a time where parliamentary niceties have their place again- but they have no place under this most corrupt, dishonest & unpopular President.

I am sorry you are so confused- I'm not. It's crystal clear to me that DEMs should have been unified against Bush and should have stood behind the base on this vote.

[Lecky]

91. LOL

[Czolgosz]

69. I posted this in your thread. The distinction is that Scalia's history was

largely unknown and his extremism has been a surprise whereas Roberts extremism is known as shall come as a surprise to no one.

Before his appointment to the Supreme Court, Scalia taught law at the University of Virginia and at the University of Chicago Law School and Stanford. His colleagues at all three schools (including Democrats) testified on his behalf and they did not believe he would be as radical as he has turned out to be. Scalia was also general counsel for the Office of Telecommunication Policy under the Nixon administration, and he received bi-partisan approval of the work he did in that post. Scalia chaired the American Bar Association's section on administrative law and the Conference of Section Chairs, and there were no complaints of partisanship from his tenure in that role. Even as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, Scalia's opinions were mainstream conservative and not particularly activist. No one anticipated that Scalia would make one of the worst Supreme Court justices in the history of the United States and so he sailed through his confirmation hearings.

There is ample background on John Roberts to indicate he is at least the equal of Scalia with respect to his willingness to disregard precedent to reach the outcome that his extremist pro-corporate philosophy dictates.

In sum, no one knew Scalia was a turd so they can be forgiven for their votes, but in this matter there was enough evidence of John Roberts character and philosophy so that no one should have voted for him.

[realFedUp]

53. Amen

Roberts shouldn't have gotten in.

[populistdriven]

70. Senator Nelson is a DemRepuke

[realFedUp]

112. which Nelson?

Ben is worse than Bill.

[okieinpain]

72. oh come on. it's not that bad. people have lived through not having

rights before. :~)

[kjwood]

77. Too much pettiness

Please don't forget that Ruth Bader Ginsburg received confirmation by an overwhelming majority. Whatever opinions Republicans had about her were irrelevant since they voted for her confirmation. I think this whole Roberts thing will reflect negatively on the D. Party. It all seems petty to me that Democrats would spend so much political capital opposing someone like Roberts. Their talents could be spent doing more constructive and useful things for their party. I mean, let's face it. The President has the right to nominate whoever, and there's not much that can be done about it.

[CrackpotAmerica]

78. At Least You Have Democratic Senators...

I have Arlin (Magic Bullet) Spector

and Rick Santorum, Douchebag. . .

Please help!

nominated...

[Lecky]

89. I feel your pain

I also have two Repukes representing my state.

Lindsay Graham
Jim DeMint (Bushbot from Hell)

[CrackpotAmerica]

109. Hopefully, Mr Santorum will be gone soon! NT

[elperromagico]

81. Are you surprised?

It was pretty clear from the word "go" that Roberts would get anywhere from 70-80 votes.

[mvd]

84. A vote for confirmation is a vote I disagree with

I don't believe he told enough about how he would protect constitutional rights. To me, his record overshadows the little reassurance he gave during the hearings. There are some I won't abandon, though, like Feingold and Leahy. I fully expect some to vote against the next nominee, or better yet join in a filibuster.

[category5]

85. I feel the dems who voted Roberts in did the right thing...

I watched some of the Roberts hearings by the judicial committee.
I saw a decent human being, very articulate and intelligent and
qualified. My politics is different than his, but that should not
be the overriding reason to vote against it.

If the dem senators unanimously voted against him, that creates a
bitter partisanship. What happens when we win the white house? The
repugs would then surely vote unanimously against our qualified
nominee. Where does it all end? And since the repugs are likely to
hold majority for a while in senate, it then would follow that NONE OF
OUR NOMINEE'S GET INTO SCOTUS.

Seems like the dem senators have a lot more foresight and political
savvy than a lot of us here on DU. Thank goodness!

[Hippo_Tron]

86. If we followed genius' list of Senators not to vote for...

There would be 100 Republicans in the Senate. Every Senator has appeared on one of these lists at one time or another. Inouye and Akaka may be "good guys" today, but they were "traitors" back when ANWR was being voted on.

[depakid]

87. Wyden will never get my vote again- ever.

I'll vote Republican before I'll ever cast a ballot for that man- a former grey panther leader who voted to pass Bush's Medicare scam.

He's not nearly the worst DINO of the lot- but he's sold out one too many times. Hopefully, he'll retire instead of run again, because I'm not the only one who's sick and tired of him.

[nvliberal]

100. You'd vote Republican? You've got

to be kidding.

You'd perpetrate fascism because somebody didn't meet your standards of purity?

Unbelievable.

[depakid]

104. Unless there's a green running there isn't much choice

other than to not vote at all.

IMHO, the DINO's are a bigger threat to the party than Republicans are- and are the reason that the party has become all but irrelevant.

When they start standing for traditional democrativ principles again, maybe more people will find a reason to vote for them. Until then, they're going to keep losing ground.

[Lecky]

88. /yawn

I'd kill for any of those Democrats to represent my state, both of my senators are Repukes.

[ladylibertee]

92. You wanna know whats worse than what you have? I have two

democrat WUSS-consinites.I would rather KNOW in advance someone is up to no good, then to count on someone who turns out to be a WUSS.

[Lecky]

93. Are you on crack?

You would rather have Lindsay Graham(R) and Jim DeMint(R) over Russ Feingold and Kohl??????

WTF?

[ladylibertee]

95. Oh, you poor thing Lindsay Graham...I HATE that man.I watched

the way he talked during the hearings.:puke: I swear, I think he used to be a woman.I don't know why. He just has that look.

[Lecky]

96. Oh...he is the more "moderate" of the two

Jim DeMint is much much worse...

He won his campaign after he made a comment about how homosexuals should not be allowed to teach in our public schools...

[ladylibertee]

97. OMG...I really feel for you now. I'm so sorry

[nvliberal]

98. Why is it

more energy is being spewed against the Democrats than the goddamned Republicans who had the votes to put this ass on the court in the first place?

It never ceases to amaze me.

[ladylibertee]

101. We are not pissed off at the dem's for that.We are pissed because

1/2 of OUR party joined in with it.

[nvliberal]

99. Lindsay Graham is a no-good S.O.B.

who was one of the leading inquisitors of Bill Clinton during the bogus impeachment hearings.

I would NEVER, EVER trust this guy.

He's no moderate; he's a fraud of the rest of the rotten bunch.

[ladylibertee]

102. Yup.I still think he was born a woman.Or both.Look at him

[election_2004]

103. Oh please....

I'm a Wisconsinite, and I can honestly say that Feingold is one of the best in there right now...EVEN compared to some of the sneaky Dems who voted for Roberts just to look good.

I'd much rather have Russ Feingold as president than Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, or Evan Bayh.

[ladylibertee]

107. Nope Hillary Clinton over them all

[tritsofme]

105. Every single Democrat sold out America, GET RID OF THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They agreed by unanimous consent to invoke cloture, that means no one filibustered, even though only one could have forced a roll call vote on cloture!!

Wasn't that your previous standard???

[JoshDem]

110. This is a Betrayal

Roberts could be in for 35 years and the dems just roll over. I am ready to contribute to primary challenges to all of the dems who voted for Roberts.

[zulchzulu]

121. I'm willing to give Feingold a pass on this vote for two reasons

1. Feingold stated that he would vote for Roberts not becuase he agreed that he would be a good judge, but as a strategic political vote so that Repugs couldn't say that Democrats were holding back on judges.

Sometimes a Senator has to vote strategically to balance out future votes. You can bet that Feingold will have all teeth bared if Chimpy nominates someone unfit for the job, which he will...

2. I believe Bush has screwed up on so many things that thinking that Roberts would turn out to be a Right Wing Ideologue will be a miscalculation and that Roberts will turn out to be like Souter.