Is there any progressive group dedicated to destroying the DLC?

[iconoclastNYC]

If not, who wants to help start one? We can start with a blog.

[AntiCoup2K4]

1. Count me in.

I won't rest until this FUCKING CANCER is cut out of the Democratic Party.

[bloom]

2. I suspect that is part of what this group is about

"The Progressive Legislative Action Network"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1961285

David Sirota is quite critical of the DLC.

see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1961060

&

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1964517&mesg_id=1964517

[brainshrub]

3. Yes, and we are all meeting in DC on Sept 24th.

[bvar22]

4. The Progressive Democrats of America

was formed specifically to counter balance the DLC, and provide a platform to return the Democratic party to its traditional PRO-LABOR roots.
http://www.pdamerica.org/

I fully support them.
They are the last foxhole.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

5. Don't forget to answer the poll!

Anti-DLC poll

Meanwhile, I'll be out in my local community (as I am every summer) recruiting independents and Republicans into becoming more imperfect Democrats.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[AntiCoup2K4]

6. I responded to your poll

But I couldn't vote in it, because (not unlike a GOP vs DLC election) none of the options there represented reality.

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[jobycom]

7. Karl, is that you?

Or is it Newt, or Tom? So hard to tell.

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. Rush, is that you?

I mean let's get fucking ridiculous.

The DLC has DOCUMENTED collusion with PNAC, and yet those who are trying to stop this terminal destruction of this party are accused of being Freepers, Rovebots or Newt Fucking Gingrich himself?

FUCKING WAKE UP, will you??

[jobycom]

12. If you're doing their work for them, what's the difference?

You're attacking people who vote Democrat and who put (or try to put) Democrats in Congress. What do you think would happen if you did destroy them? You think moderate states will suddenly start electing progressives to office? You're delusional if you do. They'll elect Republicans, instead. And we'll be further from any chance to control committees or speakerships.

Try a positive campaign, instead. You don't like the DLC, run a progressive against their candidates in the primaries. Run yourself. If the voters would prefer a progressive, they'll pick your candidate. If they don't, they'll pick the DLC guy. Your results will vary from region to region. Some you win, some you lose. That's the point of our whole primary system.

Everybody here that just attacks, and insults and calls names and makes slurs about balls and spines and asskissing and all that pleasant stuff are doing NOTHING to help us and are only hurting us. Might feel good, but only until the next election, when we are all whining about why we lost again.

Work for what you believe in, not just against something you don't.

[ClassWarrior]

8. Yeah, the group dedicated to destroying the Republicons.

Destroy the mother and the baby will starve.

NGU.

[longship]

10. Strategery!!

Look, the Repugs would love it if the Dems split. They know that the DLC has had a horrible electoral record. We can't let them win on this. But we cannot afford to have the DLC running the party. It does no fucking good to drive minority factions out of our party. The Repugs would take great comfort in that.

Engage the minority faction DLC with demeaning rhetoric. Never use the term "DLC" without the descriptor "minority faction". Opppose the organization with all the effort you can muster. Trivialize their importance. Make sure that everybody understands that they are dividing the party over a few issues.

Engage members of the minority faction DLC positively. Always highlight issues with which you have agreement. Make appeals for them to rejoin the mainstream party by positive engagement.

The Dems have always been a big tent party. We are not monolithic like the Repugs. We can afford to have a diversity of opinion in the party. There's room for people who are anti-choice, pro-war, and any other non-progressive position. That's the way it has always been. That's the way it should remain.

Now I'm a firm liberal, leaning towards socialism. But the people in the DLC are not our enemy. Yes, I get pissed at them when they vote against my interests, but that will not always be that way. If we were in the majority in Congress, there would not be as many bolting to the other side. But the concept of the DLC *is* our enemy. Just like a monolithic Repug party is anathema to democracy, so also is a monolithic Dem party. That's the enemy, not people disagreeing on issues.

[lateo]

11. The Dems are already split.

You can't make friends with cancer. It will eat you up and then you die.

Kill it now.

[Q]

13. It's not just about 'disagreeing on issues'...

...it about the DLC writing the platform and policies and assuming control of the party. At the same time they're telling liberals and progressives that they're not welcome unless they 'unite' behind the DLC agenda.

This is not in any sense of the word democratic. This is about a group of corporate-backed political hacks trying to wrestle control of the party away from the people....just as the Neocons and RRight took control of the GOP.

The DLC talks about the party having a 'big tent'...but it's their way or the highway. They want to make the decisions about the direction of the party and then trash those who may disagree.

[longship]

16. The issues are irrelevant.

...it about the DLC writing the platform and policies and assuming control of the party. At the same time they're telling liberals and progressives that they're not welcome unless they 'unite' behind the DLC agenda.

That's why we fight the DLC. They are like the Rapture Rightests in the Repugs. They do not tolerate any disagreement from their policies. Don't you understand that it is *this* which makes them so bad, not the fact that we disagree?

If we are intent on driving them out of the party for their beliefs we are no better than they are, and no better then the lunatics on the extreme right who are running our country now.

We must tolerate a diversity of opinion in the Democratic party precisely because the other party does *not* tolerate it. That is a very main difference between Repugs and Dems in philosophy.

Fight the DLC! Fight them with all you are worth. But embrace their members and ask them to come back into the party as a whole. We need them like we need people of all races, all creeds, all religions. We are the party of inclusion, not a party of exclusion. Celebrate that!

[stray cat]

14. The Republicans - come join them. They will appreciate the help

[paulk]

17. Democratic Underground?

if the last few days are any indication...

[carnie_sf]

18. That's a great idea

I'd like to participate

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