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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:27 PM
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So what IF Hillary is a lesbian?
Big Fucking Deal.

Her sexuality is HER business.

Who she sleeps with is HER business.

Some of the nicest, most intelligent people I've met just happened to be gay.
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underthedome Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:28 PM
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1. What a silly topic
Why give it the light of day?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:39 PM
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7. what a silly response
why give you the time of day?
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:34 PM
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2. Gays are the new "n-----s." It is still politically correct to hate them
So, accusing Hillary of being a lesbian makes it o.k. for the Republicans to hate - and not vote - for her.

Ann Richards of Texas said they did this to her too. It worked. :(
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:34 PM
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3. First if she is anything it is BI
I have read and seen the pictures in her book. The college age Bill and Hillary are in LOVE and the pictures show that....

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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:36 PM
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4. That topic is just another throwing crap against the wall to see
what sticks.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:40 PM
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8. would you care to elaborate?
I can't stick up for gay people?

I need your fucking permission?

And you are????..........?????
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:50 PM
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13. You took that very wrong. Not your topic. The calling her lesbian.

I am lesbian. I stand up for gay people. The RW are throwing everything they can her right now, looking for something that will resonate with the public enough they can make it into an issue.

So there is no need for you to jump on your high horse, I was not referring to your standing up for her. If she were I would too, it was the whopla around that becoming an issue I was referring to.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:52 PM
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15. Sorry
apologies offered.

sometimes I just go looking for a fight :D
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:54 PM
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17. Thanks
Accepted, and sorry for the misunderstanding. I should have been clearer.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:37 PM
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5. I Did Not Know She Was Involved In The Theater !!!
Oh... Lesbian...

:evilgrin:
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:38 PM
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6. The reasons I can't stand Hillary aren't related to sexual orientation....
...but that would certainly be the deathknell for her candidacy in all the same states where Kerry lost because a "fear of gay marriage" issue was on the ballot.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:41 PM
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9. I really, really like her
but I don't want her to run for president.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:44 PM
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10. I don't either, but since she seems to be the DLC's chosen one already....
....might as well lay out all the ways that the neocon shitbags would bring her down.
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PsycheCC Donating Member (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:47 PM
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11. Democrats Shouldn't Give This ANY Attention
I agree, CatWoman. Sexuality is private, and by even discussing the question of her sexuality we add credibility to the Republican idea that it is an issue.

Don't let them distract us from Iraq, Social Security, Taxes, Health Care, etc.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:50 PM
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12. Welcome to DU. "Hillary".... .... .... "lesbian"
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 03:28 PM by underpants
I heard that on the way home last night on Hannity. He said he wasn't interested in her private life it was about IDEAS and POLICIES so what if she is a lesbian. At least two callers called in to comment on Hillary possibly being a lesbian.

Hillary ............. lesbian
Hillary ............. lesbian
Hillary ............. lesbian
Hillary ............. lesbian

Expect to hear those two words very close to each other for the next few years.
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PsycheCC Donating Member (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 01:23 AM
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28. Thanks for the Welcome underpants!
:hi:

I used to listen to Hannity in the car. I can't take his anger anymore though. He used to seem like a pretty decent guy who actually argued on the merits of a topic. Now he just asks ridiculously leading questions and yells over any who disagree. I guess he must be on the Bush payroll now.

I know it helps to know your enemy, but sheesh, one can only take so much garbage. More power to you, underpants!
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:52 PM
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14. so the GOP has resorted to "lesbian baiting" Hillary?
*gasp* the horror!

Come on, can't they do any better than that?

They've been trying this angle for years. Cue the phony media "buzz".

This lesbian wants Hill to stay in the Senate. I like her, I'd certainly ask her to dance, but she does not speak for me.

She's DLC. Not my type...politically speaking that is :evilgrin:



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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:08 PM
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25. they've been doing this for years.
and now they have PROOF...that, um, Hillary, among several other people in the room, might've run her hands along the top of some woman's head.

Y'know, like Chimpy does every time he sees a guy with a crewcut.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:54 PM
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16. Where did this come from? Did the RW start an NEW propaganda...
...campaine that is starting to get to you?

Is this coming from that new "Slander Hillery" Book?
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:54 PM
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18. Then Bill's tryst with Monika would be justifiable suicide?
The only problem for me right now is, that would make her unelectable.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 03:20 PM
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19. You can't do anything while you are asleep anyway!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 03:29 PM
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20. Well, it looks like RoveMedia (tm) has everyone on the same page
:eyes:
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frischer50 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 03:54 PM
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21. It's not her sexuality, it's her sex
Forgive the long post but I have an essay on this and can't think of any better place to post it:

Let’s assume that Ed Klein is not a sexist pig. Any man who has served as the editor of the New York Times Magazine and a contributing editor to Vanity Fair, hired by Tina Brown no less, couldn’t possibly be a male chauvinist. Or could he?

If there is one thing I’ve learned in my short time in the adult world it’s that no one is infallible. It doesn’t matter if your credentials are impeccable and your work is of the highest quality or if you went to the finest of schools, at the end of the day you can still be an unpleasant, vindictive jerk.

Not knowing Ed Klein personally I hesitate against making any assumptions on what type of person he is like. Still, in light of his most recent literary work on Hillary Clinton and the various insinuations into her psyche and sexual background, one could say that although Ed Klein has some serious issues with powerful women, and I don’t mean female bodybuilders.

The work in question is “The Truth about Hillary” and upon its release pundits from both sides of the aisle have voiced their opinions. Those on the left call it a hatchet job that aims to derail the possible candidacy of Hillary Clinton for President in 2008. Those on the right call it “the feel good book of the year.” Political posturing aside, the book hits upon a very serious issue that has thus far been mostly ignored by the media.

The obvious hot button issue is the speculation in regards to the sexual orientation of Hillary Clinton and her high preponderance of lesbian and/or masculine female friends and confidants. Despite her long standing, if oft-troubled marriage, and being a mother of a successful young daughter, Klein goes to great lengths in questioning whether Hillary Clinton is, or has ever been, a lesbian. He puts great weight in the fact that Senator Clinton attended Wellesley and was profoundly affected by the radical liberalism and lesbianism that “permeated” the campus at the time. I don’t put any great stock in those assertions as I’m not even sure how being exposed to lesbians would shape a political sensibility but that is another issue for another time. In fact, those statements by Klein, the ones which the mainstream is latching on to, are not even what bother me. Instead there is another quote by Klein that speaks to an even greater problem, not just with the author, but with society itself and marks just how far we as a people have to go in creating a truly equal society.

“She isn’t maternal.”

Long has been the opinion of most in politics and media that Senator Clinton does not outwardly exhibit a maternal nature, despite being the mother a daughter, Chelsea. It is based on that opinion, along with the close clique of lesbians and the unbinding commitment to a man who has routinely cheated on her that Klein bases his profile of Hillary. You might think that since Klein is merely repeating an oft-said claim about Senator Clinton that he would feel no shame or embarrassment about making such claims. But then he makes a mistake and it’s of a classic nature.

When asked about the seemingly condescending attitude towards Hillary as well as the potential archaic opinion of what a woman should and shouldn’t be like, Klein pulls out the most obvious and least genuine response. Contending that he, as a man, doesn’t feel threatened by Senator Clinton, a strong woman, he says, “My wife is a strong woman. My mother was strong woman. I like strong woman.” Not to be sophomorically dismissive, but c’mon Ed, you can do soooo much better than that. Are you really pulling the old “my best friend is” defense? You know like when some public figure is caught making a racially insensitive comment they always counter with the fact that “so and so” who is of that race that you offended is your best friend. Sure it always sounds good and makes for a great photo opportunity or sound bite, more times than not it is totally untrue. It’s called spin control and it’s what people get paid to do so I don’t blame those who revert to that defense mechanism from time to time but don’t expect us to believe it. I’d be willing to bet that if some public figure, say Pat Sajak for example, made an off-color joke about Eskimo’s while not realizing that a microphone was on that within a matter of days after enough public outcry that Pat would be on some show like Access Hollywood apologizing for his remark and offering the mea culpa that he is no way racist towards Eskimos and this Aunt is part Inuit and that he is creating a foundation to provide wireless internet to the Eskimo population south of Anchorage. Sure it’s a little extreme but it’s necessary and it usually works, just like Ed Klein and his obvious love for strong women.

The statement by Klein regarding the supposed lack of Senator Clinton’s “maternal instinct” speaks to a much larger problem, the long standing view of how a woman should act. While it’s true that women has made substantial gains in equality on all fronts, books by people like Klein and other pundits make it abundantly clear that we still have a long way to go.

The best way to prove this point is to compare the public’s opinion of Clinton as opposed to current First Lady Laura Bush. Both of their husbands have served, or a currently serving, as President of the United States. Due to this circumstance both women have come under intense scrutiny for better or for worse. Hillary has gotten the worst of it, both from her various missteps such as the failed Healthcare reform and her adopted New Yorker status in her successful Senatorial election campaign, and her husband’s numerous indiscretions. It’s no secret that the Clinton collective has been among the most scrutinized families in modern history, right up there with the Kennedy’s and to a lesser extent the Bush’s. The difference is that with both the Bush and Kennedy family the focus, at least politically, has been exclusively on the male members, with Jackie Kennedy serving as an engaging personality from a more celebrity standpoint.

Some would say that Laura Bush is the most beloved member of the Bush family, with family matriarch Barbara running a close second. People love Laura because of her kind nature and even-keel that serves as a nice counterbalance to her husbands somewhat “quirky” and some would say adolescent personality. From her grounded upbringing and her early professional career as a school teacher to her current role as wife to the President and mother of twin daughters she easily ranks as one of the most admired people in the country today. Hillary Clinton is the complete opposite. Those who love her truly lover her, and those who hate her really, really hate her. They say she is self-serving, vindictive and dishonest. If given the chance of having lunch with Hillary or Laura the majority of people would no doubt choose Laura. The question is why? Not to dismiss the current First Lady who I’m sure is an extremely affable and lovely person but what makes her more engaging and admirable that Hillary Clinton? Hillary Clinton not only is a successful lawyer but also a U.S. Senator who currently serves on several high ranking committees. Hillary Clinton has toured the globe meeting with leaders from numerous countries to discuss issues ranging from free trade to global warming. She is by all accounts extremely intelligent and well spoken and has worked hard to solidify her standing as a resolute politician, as much as one can be. Despite her supposed lack of “maternal instinct”, she too is the proud mother of a daughter, who unlike the infamous Bush twins, never once made the newspapers for being caught drinking underage or cavorting in New York City nightclubs with social “it” boys of bad repute. I’m not looking to savage the Bush girls for doing what anyone their age has done nor am I painting Chelsea Clinton as a saint. It’s just that with the common refrain being that children are a reflection on their parents, what does it say that the one who is supposed to be a “great mother” has two kids who routinely embarrass their family with their exploits, and the one who supposedly lacks “maternal instincts” has a daughter who has grown up to be a successful professional and has never once made the papers for a misdeed? But that’s not all there is about Hillary the mom or Hillary the wife. In fact, there is so much more.

Hillary Clinton has raised a great daughter, instilling in her the values that have helped her lead a virtuous life. Hillary Clinton has stood by her husband in times of trouble, when his deeds threatened the sanctity of their marriage. Hillary Clinton has gone on record as being an extremely religious individual who believes in the word of God. Hillary Clinton has been eternally faithful to her husband, Vince Foster rumors aside, and has spoken out against violence in entertainment and has preached tolerance for all races and cultures. If you didn’t know any better you would think that Hillary Clinton is the poster child for everything that the GOP stands for and looks for in a woman. But yet, they hate her. Why?

The reason is that Ed Klein and those like him are intimidated by her, no matter what they might say to dispute that. It may not make sense considering the long and storied career of Mr. Klein, but thus it is the case. What else to explain the motivation, aside from pure politics, which one must refute based upon Klein’s claim that he is a registered independent with no obvious agenda towards derailing the potential Presidential campaign of Hillary in 2008? Clearly he, along with many others, still does not feel at ease with the idea of a woman being smart and successful and possessing enough political capital to serve as President of the United States. As basic and remedial as that sounds, the big bad boys are afraid of the equally big girl, just like back in elementary school.

Supporters of Klein and his line of thinking will no doubt serve up Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as evidence to the contrary based on the fact that she is both a female and an African American, thereby disproving the notion that they are in any way threatened by women, or minorities for that matter, in positions of power. The big difference is that Secretary Rice was appointed to her position, not elected, so she is technically beholden to those who appointed her, who just happen to be men. I don’t mean to denigrate Ms. Rice, who despite her spotty political record and tendency to nothing more than regurgitate White House talking points, is an extremely accomplished and brilliant woman. The point remains though that she wasn’t elected to her position, nor has she ever been elected to any position, she has always been appointed, which is a huge difference.

Hillary on the other hand, was elected, and is on track to be elected for a second term in the Senate in 2006. The fact she was the First Lady for two terms no doubt aided to her getting elected, but it wasn’t the main reason. Anyone who was read up on Hillary Clinton and her husband surely knows that Hillary has always been a smart and politically minded individual who, even if she had not married President Clinton, could have very well wound up as a Senator from the state of Illinois or in the Congress at some point in her life. That she is considering a potential run for the White House in 2008 is not that surprising but instead an inevitable conclusion based on her life thus far.

Yet, in spite of all of this, people don’t like her. Some people hate her. She is such a polarizing figure that even well educated people like Ed Klein get confused and bring up age old opinions on what a woman should and shouldn’t be like. If Hillary Clinton never got involved in politics and instead played the role of doting wife to Bill and love mother to Chelsea she would be a much more beloved figure, just like Laura. Thankfully she hasn’t played by those rules and instead has forged ahead with her own plan. At this point it is not clear whether or not she will run for President and I for one have no feelings as to whether I would even vote for her. However, the more I read from people like Ed Klein about her personality faults instead of personality strengths the more I explore the option of President Hillary Clinton.

Hillary Clinton is smart. Hillary Clinton is successful. Hillary Clinton has served in the U.S Senate and has extensive knowledge of inner workings of The White House. Hillary Clinton is and has done everything our current President isn’t and has never has done and he’s now on his second term. So how bad could President Hillary really be?
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:10 PM
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26. Ed Klein is an incompetent boob who was fired from the Times
I have no qualms whatsoever in making assumptions about what kind of person he is.

He's an asshat.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:03 PM
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22. Come on already...
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 04:08 PM by Greybnk48
The gloves came off in regard to Hillary YEARS ago. If she was a lesbian, which by the way, who gives a shit, it would have been plastered and smeared all over the place long before now. The knuckledraggers tried to get this to stick 10 years ago. It's not true--move on.

On edit: Maybe someone has the goods on *, pictures, or his diploma from anti-gay camp and this campaign against Hillary is so that when the info on Bush comes out everyone will view it as untrue and retaliatory. How's that for a conspiracy theory??
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frischer50 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:06 PM
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23. 100% agreement
which is why I said this isn't about her being a lesbian, which I don't believe she is, and even if she was, who cares

this is about the idea of powerful men still being threatened by powerful women

yes it's an old argument and stereotype but it's still apropriate in this case
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:07 PM
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24. You don't really believe that nonsense, do you?
It's the same nonsense as the 900 pound cat. It's one of those nonsense stories.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:13 PM
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27. It would only be an issue if being a lesbian
were a BAD thing.

The whole thing is classic lesbian baiting. We oughtn't bite. I do wish DUers were clearer about our personhood-denying prejudices, cleaner about exorcising them, and far more circumspect about discussing them if we CAN'T exorcise them.
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