Turn...On...Malloy...NOW. Talking about Rove & Cheney threatening Frist.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

And it DOES NOT SOUND like tinfoil hat shit at ALL.

[Alizaryn]

1. Fill us in please!

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

4. To paraphrase:

"Wouldn't you have LOVED To have been a fly on the wall during Frist's "lunch" with Bush today? Can't you imagine Rove and Cheney in the room:

"WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN "there's not going to be another Bolton vote, YOU DUMB HILLBILLY CRACKER? GET YOUR ASS BACK OUT THERE...NOW! You want to be PRESIDENT? HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"

Done in Malloy's perfect state of rage. Made the fucking hairs on the back of my arms stand up because it's PROBABLY WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

[Independent_Liberal]

2. They've been threatening Frist?

Holy shit! I had no idea!

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

5. Why do you think he flip-flopped? See above.

[Clark2008]

3. How have they been threatening Frist?

As a Tennesseean, I'd really like to get hold of this info.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

6. Malloy has no PROOF, but his "fantasy scenario"...

...sounds too real to argue with.

[Name removed]

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[NightOwwl]

25. You are not only woefully misinformed, you are also using...

selective memory. Don't you remember? It was all about the WMDs.

Bush didn't give a shit about democracy in Iraq...that's the excuse he and his cohorts started using after (surprise!) no WMDs were found. Blaming the (innocent) Iraqi citizens for "cowardice," when they had no say in Bush's "Shock and Awe" folly is pretty disgraceful.

Do you know he'd already made up his mind to go to war long before he presented "his case" to the American people? Have you heard of the infamous "trifecta?" Don't take my word for it, read the words of his own advisers. Start here, http://www.newamericancentury.org/, there is a lot more where that came from. Have you heard of the Downing Street Memo? You know how to Google...well, Google it.

You attemp to obfuscate the issue by focusing on an event that happened 40 years ago when a democrat was in office. You say, "THIS IS NOT VIETNAM. in the 60's a democratic president LIED us into war over an incident that DIDN'T happen. go google his address to congress on 8/5/64 if you don't believe me." Well, jar that memory of yours...Bush wanted this war. He keeps reminding us he's the war president, remember. Now try this on for size, "In 2002, the republican president LIED TO CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE about WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. When he said war was a last resort, he had already STARTED ATTACKING IRAQ!"

I'm glad your nephews are home safe and sound. Now think about all those "cowardly Iraqis" killed or wounded in this farce who are someone elses nephews, sons, or fathers. I doubt you even feel a connection.

But that is the republican mind-set for you. No concept of empathy. If it doesn't affect you directly, it doesn't exist. Oh well....maybe someday you will understand what I'm trying to say. And if you do, have lots of tissues handy. Because when you realize how you have been deceived, how this man used the deaths of 3,000 innocents on 9/11 to start this illegal war with a country THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11, you will need them as you cry away your innocence.

eta: In response to your comment, "if the fucking iraqis aren't willing to police their own streets, and if they aren't willing to stop homocide bombers from killing innocents, then let them live in whatever hell they will accept."

Why the fuck do you think they are in this situation? Who the fuck do you think created their hell? Hmmm?

[Lochloosa]

29. Welcome to DU

I'm glad you stopped in. Now, if you will just pay attention, you might learn something. The people here will help you to see the light. We are not angry at Republicans, not true Republicans. You know the ones that want to have a smaller government, less intursive government, no debt, state rights, government out of your life. Do I need to go on? What we are angry about is the neocons that have taken over our country. They don't care about anyone or anything except the money and the power. Smaller government? Even taking away the money spent on "terror" and the "war", this administration has increased the size of the federal government beyond any past administration, republican or democrat. Less intrusive? Patriot Act....need I say more. No Debt? No explanation needed here. State rights? I hope you never need to smoke a joint so you can eat while taking chemotherapy. Government out of your life? Or bedroom.
Yes we have a difference of opinion with true republicans, but as in the past, we have been able to Compromise with them. So, stick around, you might just learn something.

EDIT: Nightowl, this should have been linked to 1MetroCherokee...sorry

[magnolia]

31. GREAT POST!

Excellent NightOwwl!

[TheWatcher]

26. We never should have been in Iraq in the first place

We went to war based on lies, deception, and fixed intelligence.

I abslotely defy you to prove otherwise.

You can't. You won't.

You will continue to live in your delusion.

Party On, Ignorant One.

Better yet. Do it on Yahoo.

This nonsense won't wash here.

[bklyncowgirl]

27. Welcome to DU. Whoever you are you're pretty brave.

There is no question that a great many of us here despise George W. Bush. There is also no question that some liberal talk radio hosts despise him also.

That's the nature of much of political talk radio and if you think that anger and hate belong only to liberals, listen to Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh on the subject of the Clintons. Surely if Hannity and Limbaugh can accuse the Clintons of murdering Vince Foster, you won't begrudge Mike Malloy a little fantasy of having Rove and Cheney rough up Bill Frist, would you?

As far as the parallels with Vietnam go, it's absolutely true that a Democratic President lied to get us into a war. We all remember the Pentagon papers. There are many people here who'd argue that the Downing Street Memos indicate the same thing about the Bush administration's exaggerated claims of Saddam Hussein's WMD capabilities. It's also clear from the same documents that the Bush war planners gave very little thought to the aftermath of the war.

Our soldiers and thousands of innocent people whose only crime is to have been born in Iraq are suffering for that lack of foresight now.

As for the capabilities of the Iraqi troops, we saw the same thing in Vietnam. The South Vietnamese were manifestly incapable of and unwilling to defend themselves and the whole process of "Vietnamization" was a disaester. "Iraqification" seems to be no better and probably worse.

Keep posting and discussing. It's nice to hear from someone who's not part of the same old echo chamber.

[Bridget Burke]

28. The Iraqis have not been "given" freedom.

An occupied country is not free. And they are not cowardly--they are resisting.

Bush's cronies started the war to gain a strategic position in the midst of an oil-rich region. His becoming "a popular wartime president" was icing on the cake.

Hint: Standard usage of upper & lower case letters makes a message easier to read. ALL CAPS IS CALLED "SHOUTING." all lower case went out with e e cummings. I spelled Bush as "Bush" because (a) it's a proper name & (b) it was the first word in the sentence. My online style is somewhat informal, but I do respect standard English usage--not the little pissant.

[JuniperLea]

32. whoa.

grammar police. don't we have enough to worry about?

personally, i correct spelling and grammar as part of my job. i get lazy otherwise, and rightfully so... especially after 9 or 10 hours of correcting the writings of so many people, including college grads with multiple degrees. i get a little offended when people get anal about it on a stupid message board. sorry, i just think we have more important things to discuss and i find it condescending and rude to chastise others in such a manner. we have bigger fish to fry.

sorry, this just gets on my last nerve.

[B Calm]

33. i voted for perot, TWICE. So who in the hell did you vote for in the

last election? My guess is Bush!

[northernsoul]

34. welcome abroad

I don't agree with everything you just said, but obviously you've got an open mind and an independent streak and those qualities are more valuable than gold these days.
Glad to hear your nephews are back safe. I'm waiting for my brother's return myself, so I know exactly how you feel.

[Sydnie]

8. My guess would be

Frist was going to drop the Bolton cloture vote idea. Then he had lunch with blivet** today. Then he made a speech saying that the pResident expected an up or down vote on Bolton.

Getting this for blivet** is going to cost Frist all of what is left of his political capital. Let your imagination run Clark. They could throw him to the lions over Schiavo, the judge/filibuster deal, what have you. He, I am guessing, was told today that he is expendable.

I am not listening to Malloy. That is just my guess. Your mileage may vary.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

10. Anyone who thinks "the lunch" didn't shape Frist's actions...

...is kidding themselves.

FOLKS, LISTEN.

Rove orchestrated an event in which people called deep south voters and asked them "How would you feel if you knew that John McCain has an illegitimate black daughter?" (He doesn't.)

Rove WROTE THE CHECK that got the Swift Boat Vets moving.

Wanna bet that Rove pulled Frist aside at "lunch" today?

[Sydnie]

13. Wouldn't surprise me if Rove did that at all

Frist looked like a whipped dog when he made that statement today. Stayed right on script. Yep, he was given his marching orders alright. blivet** gets awful mean when someone tells him he can't have what he wants, right now!

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

14. Yes, and I want to be very clear on something here:

Malloy MOST CERTAINLY WAS "talking about Rove & Cheney threatening Frist."

Anyone who doesn't believe that can download the show from White Rose Society tomorrow and listen for themselves.

There's a very, very, VERY fine line between "tinfoil hat" and "reality."

SOMEONE got to Frist today.

If someone believes that Frist, of HIS OWN FREE WILL, went before cameras MOMENTS after saying "no more Bolton votes" and said "we're voting on Bolton again"...

WELL...

THIS is the thread to post that opinion in. Frist DOES WHAT HE'S TOLD in order to GET WHAT HE WANTS, and guess what?

This BITCH is NOT going to be our President in 2008.

[Sydnie]

16. They have two "stars" and both aren't being very effective

Frist is a laughing stock to them. He has not been a part of ANY of the major decisions made in the senate yet. The filibuster deal was made without his blessing. He has been pushing nothing but Bolton since Schiavo died. This is his river to cross.

Delay is in such money and legal trouble that he has been all but castrated as well. Delay has slithered away from the limelight. What is he doing? Where has he been? Who knows. He is in the fall out shelter waiting for the trial hurricane to pass.

blivet** can't get his social security theft legally sanctioned by legislation. Now, blivet** has his problems with the DSM leaks.

This administration is dead in the water. If they are pinning all their hopes and all their blame on Frist, he must be one lonely guy right now. The Maytag repairman has more friends than this administration. Vonivich was the crack in the damn. Look for more to follow as the see the handwriting on the wall.

The only one still making money is Haliburton. Hopefully, we can derail that sooner than later too.

edited to add - Must give credit where credit is due. Frist and Delay did carry an awful lot of water for them with the Schiavo-fest. They will be more than willing to let them both wear the bullseye for that one.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

18. The freepers have really, REALLY turned on Frist.

I posted some stuff earlier from F.R. on Frist. They consider him to be spineless and...YES...they are calling him a flip-flopper. They were WETTING THEMSELVES for him to "go nuclear." When he said "It's in Bush's hands" today, they went for his jugular.

"Great leadership, Frist" was one of the comments. Lots of "emasculated" talk.

I'm guessing that the Bush Administration needs another poster child, another "great white hope..."

'cause it's NO LONGER Frist or Delay.

:toast:

[jmcon007]

21. How can Rove NOT be in panic mode? His house of cards is

coming down. And when it's all built on theatre and lies, in can never be rebuilt. The jig is up.

[blm]

15. Rove is the prize for these shameless bastards. Allen wants Rove for his

campaign and Frist wants Rove for his campaign and Mccain wants Rove for his campaign....so Bush gets to jerk them ALL around like a bunch of puppies in training.

[jmaier]

7. Folks, anybody

can take an event and make up numerous plausible scenarios -- that doesn't even equate to a good rumor.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

9. It's a plausible scenario, nothing more...

...all I'm saying is that Malloy's PRESENTATION of the plausible scenario is worth hearing. I didn't set a value on its plausibility.

[Elidor]

17. Josh Marshall buys into this scenario as well

TPM Reader JH on Frist (and speaking sentiments we share) ...

Rove & Co. are well aware Frist wants to be Pres. So they tell him they won't support him unless he's their dog. Of course it's likely an elaborate double cross, to simultaneously show him up as a weakling, so that by 2008 he's an even bigger joke than he is now.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_06_19.php#005858

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

19. Let's remember..."scenario" does not AUTOMATICALLY mean "untrue"

And how certain are we that we'll be privy to the truth as long as Bush is in office?

[Elidor]

20. Of course not - it means SCENARIO

As in PLAUSIBLE and very likely.

[NAO]

11. Rove and Cheney better watch their asses...

or the Electoral Shock Troops of The Religious Reich will overwhelm and destroy them utterly, Old Testament style, as well as the neo-cons, and the Republican Party.

The Religious Reich is FAR MORE POWERFUL and FAR MORE DANGEROUS than most people realize. Their power is increasing, and they are not subject to either Reason or Marketing/PR/Propaganda. They already "know the Truth" about all matters - their is no persuasion, no grassroots efforts, no framing, no TV ad campaigns - just a vast, highly organized, regimented, cohesive electoral block that will NEVER SURRENDER, NEVER GIVE ONE INCH.

*****

Fundamentalist Radical Clerics such as Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson are not merely medieval throwbacks or misguided religious hacks. They are part of a well organized subversionary movement known as "Dominionism".

Dominionism constitutes a serious threat to American Democracy. These Radical Clerics have developed and are executing a detailed plan to gradually replace the free, secular democratic society of the United States with a Theocracy.

It is critical that people become aware of the extreme agenda these people have for the United States and ultimately for the world. The results of the 2004 Presidential Election were not a fluke or something that was drummed up over a period of months. It has been in planning for over 20 years, and what we are seeing take place now is, in the words of Katherine Yurica, "the swift advance of a planned coup".

The articles below are critical for understanding the Dominionist movement; for realizing how real and how detailed their plans are; and to become aware of how far they have come toward achieving their goals.

The Swift Advance of a Planned Coup: Conquering by Stealth and Deception - How the Dominionists Are Succeeding in Their Quest for National Control and World Power
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvanceOfaPlannedCoup.htm

The Despoiling of America: How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

Video on the Christian Reconstructionist Dominionist Theocratic Agenda
http://www.theocracywatch.org/av/video_dominion.ram

The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
a public information project from TheocracyWatch.org
http://www.theocracywatch.org

The Yurica Report - News, Intelligence, Analysis
http://www.yuricareport.com

The Religious Right - An Anti-American Terrorist Movement
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8816.htm

[TankLV]

12. On NPR today, they had a discussion on Frist and his intention to

not retire after his current term is up.

He did mention he would like to run for dictator in training if bunkerboy gives up his thrown, tho.

[fob]

23. Did someone really use the term "homicide bomber" in a serious

manner in this thread? Did I read that right? And did they chime in with a 40 year old story about a Democratic President lying and in the next breath make an excuse for george bush*(does not DESERVE to be capitalized) simply "miscalculating"?

Must not because everyone seems to have ignored the comments and rightly so.

[NVMojo]

24. fob, some people are just not worth it and I think this was one of them.

And the Native Americans I know always wonder when someone says they are "Cherokee" since most of them are white....

Cheers...

:toast:

[leesa]

30. One can hope they're twisting Kat Killer's arms.