Mike Malloy giving Kerry hell now!

[skooooo]

Where are you John?

[leftofthedial]

1. you know what we do when someone attacks Kerry, don't you?

[skooooo]

3. Well no..

...but I can tell you that I'm not too happy with him.

[jillan]

4. Ignore him!!!

Malloy that is -
Never ignore Kerry!

[skooooo]

7. ignore Mike Malloy?

Do you even know who he is?

[bunny planet]

76. I love Malloy but when he rants about Kerry I turn him off.

He gets extremely judgemental and I don't think he's bothered to check up on Kerry's record on anything. He just hates the Democratic party now and paints with a very broad brush when he talks about them. I like him much better when he's lighting into Bunnypants and the neocons.

It is understandable that Malloy is disappointed with what some Dems have been doing lately. Kerry is not in that category for me. I still think he rocks, and that soon enough we all will see what a set of brass ones he really has.

I won't ignore Malloy but neither would I judge Kerry. He didn't just sit around and do nothing after he 'lost', he rolled up his sleeves and went to work trying to get health insurance for the poorest kids in America, and his votes since the election have been 100% in the left direction as far as I've seen.

Flame away Kerry bashers.

[Nite Owl]

13. I'll never ignore

Mike.

[Capn Sunshine]

88. Oh, I thought for sure you were with the Kerry campaign

That was the one thing they were REALLY GOOD AT.

[Matariki]

6. um, join in?

[LittleClarkie]

40. Dance around nekkid?

Doing the "flip/flopper wind surfer Washington insider" two-step?

[Vektor]

56. I laugh at them and wish them a hearty "fuck you."

I am so over caring what yet another whiner with penis envy thinks of Kerry.


*YAWN*

[Linette]

86. Try to learn from his cluelessness?

The best explanation that I've ever read on how Kerry and his campaign strategists managed to lose the 2004 election is James Kroeger's The Republican Nemesis. It is an absolute must-read for any Democrat/Progressive/Independent. We've got to start getting it right.

Linette

[obxhead]

2. ok was doing music,

but now ya got me tuned in.

[skooooo]

5. ..he seems pretty much through for now..

On to something else.

[zulchzulu]

8. Malloy is one sloppy fuckup sometimes...

Do we have to do his homework?

Mike, stop changing diapers and turn your computer on once in a freaking while...

Does Malloy know that Kerry is getting Senators to sign a document that will be released once all of the Senators he can get do sign. THEN, it's going to happen....

Maybe Malloy must like loudmouth hares that get run over in the road...

[napi21]

11. Keerry has no chance of being elected President!

Move on already! He had his chance and botched it.

[zulchzulu]

15. Thank you, O Keeper Of All Knowledge and Wisdom and Light

:crazy:

As you know, my master, no one who has run for President before ever ran again. And yes, Master, no one who has ever run and lost ever ran and won.

Thank you, O wise Master.

:crazy:

[napi21]

22. Cute response. Sure, I know NIxon won his second time.

I'm old enough to remember that election, and I don't think Nixon won as much as McGovern lost.

I will tell you, I supported Kerry in this last election, but it wasn't because I really liked him, but because I detested Shrub!

I hope the Dems can do better than Kerry this time. Like it or not, you really have to have a charismatic candidate to win. I know, I don't like it either, but people vote for someone they like, and they don't pay a whole lot of attention to policies, platforms, and intentions. Smack the American people if you want, but that's the way it is.

[Mass]

27. in 68, Nixon did not run against McGovern

but against Humphrey and Wallace \nt

[wisteria]

28. Excuse me, but I think Kerry has charisma.

A lot of other people share this opinion also.

[Mass]

29. I agree \nt

[zann725]

37. Me too.

Charisma AND brains...AND integrity.

[CTLawGuy]

85. yeah

great job on the IWR vote... REAL integrity :eyes:

[napi21]

34. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Clinton, but I didn't see charisma in Kerry.

I think he's a very intelligent man, and I think he would have made a great President, but that's just not what wins elections.

I remember back to the JFK election. I was only 20 so I couldn't vote yet, but all the young people were all excited about having a candidate who was an age they could relate to. I remember hearing lots of other girls saying how "handsome he was!" Is that a reason to vote for somebody? Of course not! But that's what happens.

Kerry just wasn't one of "the guys". I'm not saying he's a bad guy, just not a good candidate.

[karynnj]

62. If his October rallies had been given any reasonable coverage

I think he would have won. I think he did have a lot of charisma - I far prefer Kerry's ethics and basic morality to Clinton. (Although I'm not interested in a President's looks, Kerry is easily better looking than Clinton. Being one of the "guys" is not necessarily a plus -

What Kerry and Clinton did have was an informed view of the word and intelligence. In terms of their stated positions, I greatly prefer the more liberal Kerry.

[digno dave]

52. The charisma of a man who's been in the Senate for 20 years

[bilgewaterbill]

53. Kerry HAD charisma.

John Edwards.

[karynnj]

61. After seeing them speak a few times

I found Edwards pretty uninteresting and Kerry more compelling. The sincerity, thought, and compassion he projects is amazing.

[TankLV]

94. Ahh - ok, sure.

But I don't like warmed milk.

You and I have a really different idea of charisma.

I thought SNL's depiction of him as a version of Lurch was more accurate, unfortunately.

I started to warm to him in the end, but after all is said and done, it was more ABB.

I just wish to hell he was successful.

We are paying for his campaign mistakes dearly.

[zulchzulu]

60. Work for whoever you want in 2008...

...we'll see who gets the nomination.

[wisteria]

21. KERRY DOES HAVE A CHANCE- KEERRY DOESN'T!

Who is this guy Keerry? I never heard of him. Now Kerry I have heard of and he does have a chance!

[napi21]

26. Sorry for my typing errors. So pick on something that's real

instead of someone's typing abilities. You obviously knew who I meant! I still say he doesn't have a chance!

[karynnj]

33. Keerry doesn't have any name recognition KERRY is a great choice

[TankLV]

95. Cute. And very tiresome, indeed.

[LittleClarkie]

38. What the flying fuck does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Did zulu mention 2008? I assume Malloy is talking about Kerry and the DSM. So we shouldn't have an opposing opinion on that topic if we don't want Kerry in 2008. WHAT?!

What are we "moving on" about? The DSM? Kerry's work as a Senator on DSM? What? What are we "moving on" about? Because it's not 2008. Not everything is about something that isn't going to happen for another 3 damn years!

[zulchzulu]

12. A challenge to Malloy...

Play the audio from this:
http://www.kerrysupport.com/media/051905III.wmv

[renoray]

9. He is busy looking for specific campaign donations

for the next cause he won't do anything about. Sorry to bash him, but seriously how much money did he collect specifically to contest the election? I'm sick of being asked to stand up for a party that won't stand up for me. Living in Harry Reid's state isn't helping my disposition.

[skooooo]

10. sorry to say..

I concur.

[LittleClarkie]

19. Riiiiight

He was touring the country, and placing television ads about the Kids First Act because he's not doing anything about it. :sarcasm:

[wisteria]

25. It's obvious you really haven't been keeping up on your reading!

What was he suppose to contest? You can not contact rumors or hunches. You need cold hard facts with no holes in them that can be ripped apart. Did Kerry have that? I don't think so!
Also, name one project that he has undertaken and requested money for that he hasn't followed through on. He is still traveling and promoting his Kid's First Act.

[lateo]

79. So true...Kerry is a turd...

He needs to be reformed or move on.

[Nite Owl]

14. Tuning in late

tonight. Missed it.

[LittleClarkie]

16. Oh big fucking surprise

Kerry'll come out when he's good and fucking ready. This isn't Entertainment Tonight. You shouldn't have to put on a show so that people who don't think you're doing something will believe you are.

Totally unrelated to the topic, but how come folks have problems with Biden's hair plugs, and nobody mentions Malloy's massive teased combover.

[wisteria]

Funny!!!! n/t

[saracat]

17. Remember what Randi Rhodes says,If you dis a Democrat you are a Republican

[AntiCoup2K4]

55. And how many anti-Dean threads did YOU jump into last week?

;)

[saracat]

77. I am not now nor ever have been anti-Dean!

I no longer comment about Dean in any manner!

[Skip Intro]

18. YaY! Another bash Kerry thread!

He won the election, bushco stole it, and he couldn't prove it - he's the bad guy.

How would a challenge have gone without clear proof? Same as it has, except with Democrats in general, and Kerry specifically, being pummelled by the right and corp media - an ever growing chorus of "give it up." Without clear proof, what could Kerry have done other than what he did? Besides win the election, of course. That he did.

I cannot believe Kerry would have put himself and his family and his nation thru slimy attacks from the right or a hoax of a campaign - I believe he ran to win.

[wisteria]

31. I totally agree!!! n/t

[LittleClarkie]

36. Good point. How about this one

He's among to first to even mention DSM out loud, and he's the bad guy because he's done little else visible about it.

Meanwhile, Bid Dog dodged the issue entirely. Dean hasn't said a mumbling word out loud. The beloved Boxer hasn't said a mumbling word out loud. The only other person besides Conyers that I can think of is Reid (give em hell, Harry). But those folks aren't in the dog house with many people here.

No, it's Kerry who's the bad guy for even mentioning DSM, and then not doing exactly what people wanted exactly when they wanted him to do it.

Geez.

[second edition]

66. YES, YES, YES !

You are correct. With these people, he's wrong even when he is right. I think Kerry should just stop trying to please them, because that isn't ever going to happen. Why waste your time on those who don't appreciate what you do?
You know what really gets me though, people like Malloy who do not take the time to check facts and spew off at the mouth about something or someone just to get people fired up. He should be called out for not having any credibility.

[LittleClarkie]

96. Makes him sound like a Lefty Limbaugh in a way

but I guess that's the game of any radio host. Get the listeners fired up so they will tune in tomorrow.

[politicasista]

20. Don't you just love it when we eat our own?

That will definitely help us in 2006 and 2008, just like it did in 2004. :sarcasm:

[LittleClarkie]

23. Mike Malloy is not "our own"

He has declared himself a non-Democrat.

I'm sorry he's looking for a dog and pony show. Perhaps he could turn on the television instead.

[politicasista]

24. True

Hey LC, did you get a reply from him about his "Kerry is a puppet" comment?

[LittleClarkie]

30. Nah, not a word

I think I prefer Randi. She may be a bitch, but she sure does have her facts straight. She can quote you chapter and verse and memo and report. Mike doesn't strike me as someone who bothers to make sure he has his facts straight the way Randi does.

[ginnyinWI]

97. she's the best when you're in the mood for a rant

And you are right, she is very smart and can explain a complicated issue so that the average person can understand it, and she does have all her facts straight. When I'm not in the mood for a rant, Franken will do just fine.

[elshiva]

39. The site says that he is a Democrat, though?

[LittleClarkie]

41. Maybe they hadn't updated lately

or Mike is saying it without having done it yet. But I guess he's said on air that he's no longer a Dem.

[elshiva]

43. Well, well! Or he just being his over the top self?

[mvd]

44. He did leave the party

He's not sure what he'll change to yet. But I find him to be an inspiration, and if he was a little TOO harsh on Kerry, at least his heart was in the right place. Malloy has plenty of facts at his disposal, as shown on that night he debated with Freepers.

[elshiva]

46. Well, sometimes Malloy is good....

[mvd]

48. I always like him

As they say, to each his or her own. :hi:

[AntiCoup2K4]

57. Mike Malloy is calling out this criminal Fraudministration for what it is.

What he would like to know, and what I would like to know is why isn't Kerry doing that?

Mike Malloy's a guy with a great radio show which unfortunately is scheduled at a horrible time. John Kerry is a Senator with C-Span cameras rolling whenever he shows up for work and mainstream media accessible if he says or does something.

So why isn't he? It's a relevant question. And it could apply to other Senators just as well.

[Mass]

32. So what

I do not need him or anybody else to know what I think of somebody.

If you have something concrete to say about Kerry, say it and we will be able to answer, but dont hide behind a radio host (even if he is a liberal).

[obxhead]

35. Malloy now said no draft.

on break now, but I just gotta hear this when he comes back.
(mom of 24 year old concerned as the caller)

[LittleClarkie]

42. So how does he figure

or isn't he elaborating?

[obxhead]

45. he basically skipped that one too.

caller brought something else up and he moved on. show seemed shallow tonight. (from what I heard - bounced back to di shortly after that call)

[LittleClarkie]

47. Maybe somebody should try to call in

and get him to elaborate. Because one more war and Bush Co will have little choice. They have little choice now, but I think they're trying to wait for the midterms to be over.

[obxhead]

49. yeah I feel the draft

yet at the same time I don't. Iraq is already lost; will the repubs sacrifice 2008 for it? We might not be out by then, but a draft would be suicide (I would hope)
A call may have helped, but I feel that if you listen to Malloy you're probably already so far left that you probably already know.

[LittleClarkie]

50. I think the repubs are unwilling to sacrifice 2008

But Bush's motto seems to be "full steam ahead!" He keeps pusbing Social Security regardless of the numbers. They keep pushing Middle East democracy and rosy pictures regarding the insurgents' last gasp. And yet the numbers say that fewer and fewer folks believe them.

I wonder if Bush is too stubborn to stop, even at the insistance of his own party.

[obxhead]

51. 2008 is about more than *

and the people that hold his leash (loosely) know this. the above mentioned will not die easily, but a draft would kill 'em in the vote. remember - rebups won't sign up for war, I doubt they'll take the draft.
People are just starting to wake up and all they are starting to see is people dieing for a lie. They will probably let SS etc fly right over without ever waking up.
so sad.

[kerrygoddess]

54. Nice Kerry basing thread!

Thanks! NOT!

[AntiCoup2K4]

58. Have to balance out the Kerry Kool Aid threads somehow.

:evilgrin:

[wyldwolf]

59. well... it could also be looked at as a Malloy bashing thread

[Don1]

63. Is everyone here crazy or what??

You post a thread where you talk about a real issue and a politician's stance on it and suddenly you get flamed by that politician's campaign crew.

People say crap like that you are a basher or that you are a Republican if you try to be critical of a Democrat.

No, sir. We stand up for principles. It is important to start talking about values and those principles. And it is not true that if you offer criticism on one issue of a Democrat's stance that you are a Republican.

If someone criticizes Zell Miller's treahcery and zealotry that makes them a Republican?? That's complete bullshit.

As to this issue in particular, it is a fair question. Where is Kerry? Perhaps someone could just not be defensive at all and simply answer the question objectively with facts. If he is doing something with DSM, then fine. That's great. Just show the facts and not rumors. If he is not doing anything with DSM, then why not? It's a fair question.

And DSM is an important enough issue to ask the question.

[confludemocrat]

65. Kerry has taken a pretty thorough drubbing the last few days-deserves it

Timid, cautious, hedging, no stand based on the DSM revelations such as we need to get the hell out and end the criminal destruction of Iraq and its innocent already suffered enough population.

No rationalization will absolve him of the obligation that the DSM revelations bring him and anyone of his supposed stature.

Too much emphasis of Kerry's failures will get a thread locked.

[Don1]

67. Who Knows.

Maybe he is in a tough position. I mean, will anyone be able to take him seriously if he starts talking about exiting Iraq? He will get called flip-flopper even more by the Reich wing...

And if he starts talking about cooked intelligence, then that means he was completely duped into supporting sending more troops in as part of his campaign...his Presidential campaign.

Anyway, pressure is important. His constituents should be asking him to say something about DSM. And it is fair for others, like Malloy, to be asking what he is doing. Is he just being quiet trying not to be noticed or is he getting Senatorial support for the DSM stuff like the rumors say?

Who has facts? Haven't seen any myself yet...

[confludemocrat]

72. All this shouldn't be about his viability as a 2008 candidate

"Maybe he is in a tough position. I mean, will anyone be able to take him seriously if he starts talking about exiting Iraq? He will get called flip-flopper even more by the Reich wing..."

This to me isn't about what he'll be called or his positioning for 2008. If he has promised action on the DSM issue he can do it in his own time, fine. But if he fails to link it to ending the occupation and destruction of Iraq, then its NOT WORTH A DAMN!

[second edition]

68. He deserves it!!! How ungrateful you are!

What have your favorite people been up to lately? Why is it that Kerry is never given the benefit of the doubt like others are. Others can do no wrong- even when they are- Kerry is wrong even when he is right- he is a good man,working hard to support the people of his state and the rest of us. Give him a break and let him breath a little. He does things the Kerry way, not your way.

[confludemocrat]

73. What am I to be grateful about?

He shoud be grateful to me for desperately sticking with him as long as I did, as an ABB best bet. And a substantial contributor. But I made a mistake.

[Mass]

70. OK talk about pols and DSM

Where are Boxer, Feingold, Byrd, ...

Why is DU not full of calls for them to act, as they value them more than Kerry?

There is clearly an issue in the Senate that goes farther than Kerry. Why dont people talk about that?

[confludemocrat]

74. Well Boxer stood up against Rice, Kerry was very, very low key on that

She took a lot of flak and attacks and didn't back down. The other two, what of them? OK Wellstone is dead, but he should be a model to some degree for the Kerrys of the world.

[Mass]

75. You must be joking I imagine

or have you missed the hearing that day. Kerry kept Rice in committee for a couple hours asking question after question. He is the only one who came in committee saying he would not vote for her because she was a bad choice (though I am sure Boxer already knew she would not vote for her).

This is a particularly bad example given that Boxer AND Kerry were the two only senators to oppose Rice in committee.

But you did not answer my question about DSM.

The main reason Kerry did not take a flak was because they were too focused on Boxer and chose to ignore Kerry rather than to give him some publicity.

I agree for Wellstone, he should be a model for all democrats.

[blm]

89. Are you joking? Kerry schooled Rice into a corner. He was VASTLY superior

and overwhelmed Rice repeatedly.

You surely could not have watched the hearings and listened to the incisive grilling.

[confludemocrat]

93. I watched and listened to the confirmation hearings

Kerry ended the hearing I watched, with only the chair present and maybe 1 or 2 other Senators late in the day. The questions were academic in nature, extended and delivered in his droning style and not nearly as pointed as the riveting confrontation between Boxer and Rice. I was not impressed. I thought after watching that that he would vote for her to be sent forward to full Senate. That he didn't came as a surporise based on the tone and tenor of the questions he asked her. No spark, no true passion I could detect. Events have confirmed that impression of his being not strongly engaged or committed to nailing her sorry ass, putting some lumps on her.

[AntiCoup2K4]

90. You should have seen this place BEFORE the election, Don!

You criticized Kerry in any way back then and they demanded your immediate banishment. It was actually pretty pathetic. Funny thing is that a couple of the biggest Kerry Kool Aid pourers weren't even here then. (Unless they were under a different name)

BTW, welcome to DU!

[tinfoilinfor2005]

64. The problem isn't Kerry

The problem is that all of his supporters have spent the last year hinting to everyone that Kerry is coming in with the cavalry. As recently as last night there was a thread that spoke about Kerry coming out any minute now with a HUGE revelation.

They have hyped him into Superman, and when he doesn't deliver what that image calls for, then everyone else bashes him.

[Mass]

71. I tend to agree, but it is the question of chicken and eggs

Many people would not post these types of posts if people were not bashing him that much. I know I would not.

In addition, dont tell me that some of Dean supporters here are not doing the same thing.

[LittleClarkie]

78. Not entirely accurate

Folks who pay attention to Kerry had earlier speculated, knowing his style, that he is the kind of person who will continue to slog away at a problem, perhaps not with the kind of drama that some want so that they can feel that something is happening.

Some who needed something, anything, to save them from Bush's supposed win turned to him as if he were going to turn into the Incredible Hulk or something.

But it was like watching a Lassie movie. He would say that he'd make sure every vote got counted. Suddenly that turned into "Can't you hear him? He's saying he's going to flip the election!" No, he said he would make sure every vote got counted. And there is still a lawsuit pending in Ohio. Kerry's lawyer there is Don McTigue. No more, no less than what he said.

He said he would introduce election reform legislation. He's done that as well, with Boxer and Clinton and others. No more, no less.

Last night, Kerrygoddess said that whatever Kerry has been working on re: the memo is close to being finished. She did NOT say "Kerry coming out any minute now with a HUGE revelation." Why say she did? What purpose does that serve? Why the angry overreaction, esp. re: Kerry. He said he would address the issue. He will be addressing the issue. No more. No less.

Kerrygoddess was good enough to give us an update of something that had started when Kerry mentioned that he would address the issue. Some are glad to hear that it is coming to fruition. Why the snark? Why the automatic kneejerk at the mention of the name "Kerry."

Not everyone can be a firebrand. There are many roles to be played. Anyone expecting Kerry to be spectacular rather than methodical will be sorely disappointed. Those who know what he is like are neither surprised nor disappointed. He's plodding along about how we'd expect our obsessive/compulsive former candidate to plod.

But he's angry. You can hear it in some of his speeches this year. Very angry. He doesn't do that for effect. I don't think he's that good an actor, frankly. Nevertheless, he's not coming out half-cocked just to put on a show for folks without some possibility of real change happening. He's not into wasting his time that way.

Back in the day, those who used to put on that kind of show annoyed the living hell out of him. I can't remember their names, was one of them Hoffman? Was it the Chicago 7? Those who used to do things like raise the Pentagon to get rid of evil spirits? I think such things served a purpose. But apparently Kerry didn't. So you won't get quick and dramatic out of him. At least such moments will be few and far between. You will get methodical.

Personally, I'm glad to have him on the case. If something pops up from that front, cool beans. Until something does, I may get somewhat impatient, but I won't attack or snark on the man.

I don't quite get the hateration that he inspires out of some quarters. I see a good man.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

81. I'm sorry if you picked up hatred from my post

I don't hate or even dislike Kerry. I worked for him all summer long and attended quite a few of his events. I greatly respect him, and dearly wish he had won the presidency, if in fact that isn't exactly what happened.
I just think that many of his past and present followers got hit with "let down syndrome" after the election. Some turned it into anger and resentment, others just let it go. But a few still want to view him as the superman that can cure all the ills of this evil administration. But in Kerry's own words, "Would that it were so."
I would work for him again in a second, but I don't hang on to every word that comes from him as kind of clue that he is about to come back and save us.

[LittleClarkie]

82. I think you and I are talking about the same people

I try not to hype him as Superman.

I guess it was the choice of phrase "huge revelation". Kerrygoddess didn't promise that, just that whatever Kerry was gonna do was getting close.

Sometimes I think folks build their own Superman.

Glad to hear what you say about still supporting him. Me to. I'm trying not to be a hero worshiper. I do try to pay attention to and understand his way of working though, something I don't think everyone does.

[AzDar]

69. John Kerry was already ELECTED President, but then refused to fight

for his rightful position. He let us ALL down...and by doing so, condemned us all to 4 more years of stupidity,war, and destruction.

Report for duty, ELSEWHERE, please.

[LittleClarkie]

80. He didn't let me down

Don't include me. I don't see how he could have "Gore-d" himself when hard evidence, take it to court evidence, was not there and certainly wasn't going to be there in the blink of an eye.

He didn't condemn us to anything. There was little he could do. Bush and Company condemned us to 4 more years. NO ONE ELSE.

His rightful position it might have been, part of me believes that. But he didn't even have the margins Gore did. Gore was so much closer. Kerry was off by 3 million.

And how do you count air votes. How do you prove that votes were flipped. How do you count the votes that were suppressed.

Gore tried to fight. Gore lost. Why would that be a "winning" strategy the second time, with even less to base it on than before. We can't have month long fights every election.

It's fantasy. It couldn't happen. And it was NOT KERRY'S FAULT.

[rhett o rick]

83. JK needs to decide if he is a man or mouse. To save the Democratic Party

he needs to stand up in front of God and Country and say, "We made a big mistake when we voted to go to war. We thought we were doing what was best for the Country but we were wrong. We need to fix this mistake immediately." But he can't say it, because he knows it's a lie. They all knew it wasn't in the best interest of the Country, but went along because they were afraid to speak out to save Democracy. They thought the stink would only stick to GWB. Now they are pretending to be a little outraged and making token efforts to end the war. By 2006 the Demo Party will be split terribly unless the Party leaders decide how they, as a Party, stand on the IWAR.

[Zen Democrat]

84. Whoever gets the nomination in '08 should pick Howard Dean for VP.

Actually, I'm getting a feeling that Dean may be our nominee. I know he said that he wouldn't run for President if he won the chairmanship ... but I think Howard will continue to be the sparkplug the fire up the Democratic Party -- and Hillary and Kerry and Edwards and Biden and Bayh and all the other Washington Democrats who voted to give Bush authorization to invade Iraq will be toast by 2008. I think a vote for the Iraq war will be a disqualification for the nomination.

So Howard Dean resigns the chairmanship in 2007 and begins a campaign in earnest. How about a Dean/Kucinich ticket? Real Democrats, instead of DLCers and wolves in sheep's clothing.

If, however, the primaries go for one of the Dem Senators, Dean would be the logical Veep candidate to placate all of us "true believers."

[wyldwolf]

87. now... why...

...would you call Dean and Kucinich "real" Democrats to the exclusion of others?

[AntiCoup2K4]

91. Because they are?

I wouldn't say they are the only two real Democrats, but as far as the names being shoved down our throats repeatedly as "the ONLY viable choices for 2008" (i.e. Hillary, Biden, Hillary, Bayh, Hillary, Warner, Hillary, Richardson, and Hillary) there isn't a real Democrat in the mix.

But then, it's only the DLC and their mediawhore friends who are pushing those names.

In any event, only a clueless idiot would nominate a Senator again, DLC or otherwise. Barbara Boxer and Russ Feingold might very well make excellent Presidents, but they aren't likely to get there without a stop in the governor's mansion first. Or a turn as Vice President.

[wyldwolf]

92. Sorry

Dean and Kucinich are real Democrats.

So are Hillary, Biden, Hillary, Bayh, Hillary, Warner, Hillary, Richardson, and Hillary.