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Bluesplayer (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:10 AM Original message |
When is torture acceptable? |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. Never. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. I have to disagree |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:48 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. But the question is: |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I diasagree with the use of torture |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 01:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. I said unreliable. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 01:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. A very sane response... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. Never, according to the laws and conventions the US has signed to |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
3. When is wife beating accetable? |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
4. Never (n/t) |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
5. Never. "Intelligence" gleaned from torture is unreliable |
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moobu2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. That's exacty why |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. Never except on 24 |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
7. If it was known that an attack was imminent and we could stop it... |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. And what do you do |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:31 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. That's why I say the devil is in the details.. |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. No excuses, no exceptions |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. black and white thinking.... |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
49. With all due respect... |
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WI Independent (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-05 01:12 AM Response to Reply #49 |
76. Yes, undoubtedly the LEGAL thing to do... |
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jayctravis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 12:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
34. If that decision is made... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 12:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time? |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-05 12:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
79. ...The attack would be allowed to happen. Just like last time. |
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BlueStateModerate (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
8. Physical torture? Never. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
45. psychological torture is unacceptable |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
9. Never, EVER!!! |
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KnaveRupe (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
10. Only when... |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
11. Never... |
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MajorFlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:21 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Yup. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:50 AM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Yes, never. nt |
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bullimiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
12. never. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
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Richard D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You beat me to that one. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
15. Never |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
19. I guess it all depends upon the context and your definition of "torture" |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Too bad that only happens in the movies |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. Respectfully, you're ignoring the question |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Having been directly affected |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 08:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. So even if it's your child who is being slowly suffocated |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 08:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Defending yourself or your child against an attacker |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Ummm...look at the original hypothetical |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 06:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
55. What if he's wrong? |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 08:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Oh, gee...I don't know, what if he's right? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 09:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. If he's wrong, then he's torturing an innocent person. |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 10:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Nice spin, but it doesn't address the main question |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 10:57 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Would you, knowing yourself to be innocent, allow yourself to be tortured? |
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kanrok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:01 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Seriously, what kind of question is that? |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
23. Never, never, never |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
27. Under the circumstances you describe in your op, I cannot think of a time |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 12:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Under very exceptional circumstances... |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Yes, I underscored very exceptional circumstances |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 12:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I agree with you. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-05 12:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
74. I agree. Very limited, and improbable, circumstances. |
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CBHagman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
31. It's unconstitutional. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
36. Never. (seems to be the consensus) |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
37. Never ever...its wrong, and it doesn't work. |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
38. Never acceptable, and worse - probably not effective |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
39. Civilized humans never find torture acceptable. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
40. When You Try It On Yourself First !!! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
41. If you value the Constitution , |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
42. NEVER!! n/t |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
46. Never |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. even if your family was held hostage... |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. never |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 04:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I would agree that it is illegal and immoral... |
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WI Independent (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-05 12:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
75. kentuck, if I'm ever kidnapped... |
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darkism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
48. Never. Plain and simple. n/t |
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Merope215 (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
54. Never. |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
56. No government should ever have the right to use torture |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
57. Never |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
58. Well it depends... |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
61. When is love unacceptable? |
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DemGirl7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
62. Never...period n/t |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
63. NEVER, EVER, NO WAY |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
66. When the key players are involved. |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
67. To those who say "NEVER" - can you believe that torture hasn't saved |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-05 11:09 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. On the contrary. I believe that torture has contributed to the deaths |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #67 |
77. Actually there are very few pros and the cons are that we can expect |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-05 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
73. There are some things that are just plain wrong, torture is one of these. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-05 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
78. Nie, nunca, mai, jamais |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-05 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
80. Never. |
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