Religious Reich Vows to Destroy McCain - Zero chance in 2008

[NAO]

Leaders Angry at Democrats, McCain
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20050528%2FNEWS%2F505280316%2F1021

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...But these leaders of the Christian right reserve (Dobson, Falwel, Robertson, etc) a special anger for Sen. John McCain, the Arizona Republican who helped broker a compromise on judicial nominees with seven Democrats and six other Republicans.

McCain can "forget about his presidential ambitions" in 2008, said Weyrich, co-founder of the now-defunct Moral Majority and president of the Washington-based Free Congress Foundation.McCain, a longtime nemesis of religious conservatives, wasn't the only lawmaker threatened with retribution.

"Trust me," said Land, president of the Southern Baptists' Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. "Conservatives know who to blame, and they will have an opportunity to express their feelings in the primaries of 2008."

Evangelical political leaders said the real losers in Monday's compromise are not President Bush's judicial nominees, nor his core supporters who rallied around them, but Republican candidates who will have to look elsewhere for support in coming elections. Those who ignored or forgot "the conservative Republicans who helped expand this (Senate) majority" in last year's election will pay a price, said Tony Perkins, president of the Washington-based Family Research Council.

Do not underestimate the serious threat to our nation posed by The Electoral Shock Troops of the Rabid Religious Reich (aka "values voters").

These people march in strict lockstep with the orders issued by the the Radical Clerics of their Fundamentalist Extremist Churches. They have declared a jihad against our secular way of life and against our secular democracy.

[Tux]

1. Nope

Fundies are against everything. Science, technology, democracy, America, life, they hate it all. They are scared of life.

[Midnight Rambler]

2. No surprise there

I knew years ago that the Fristians would never allow McCain to be the nominee, no matter what his chances of getting Dem votes. Say what you will about him, he just can't be counted on to toe the party line, which is what they value most.

[simcha_6]

3. Interesting moral question

In the interest of weakening the religious right, would it be worth registering Republican and electing McCain for president. Now no one thinks he can win an election (the same way Dems think only centrists can win, Reps. think only extremists can win.)

[expatriot]

4. This is very comforting to hear... I was very scared of McCain....

America WILL be very tired of Bush and his ilk in 2008, I am certain of it... McCain would have been teh Repug's best hope in 2008 in such a political climate. It's good to see the conservative henchmen of the Republican ranks out to destroy the candidate that is in the best interest of the anti-worker, pro-privatization, anti-public sector, etc. party.

[CoffeeCat]

5. What's sad is that...

...these religious nut jobs are a minority--even in the Republican party. However, they vote in EXTREMELY high numbers. Thus, they have more power.

America better damn well wake up! People need to start voting and taking their country back.

Otherwise, the always-voting scary people will be running the show!

[Chipper Chat]

7. I had this very same conclusion while watching Springsteen

perform for John Kerry. Thousands in attendance. "If only all these folks would show up at the polls" I thought. "We would win." But human nature told me only 40% would actually vote; 60% were there for the music.
99% of church members vote - that's how the fundies insure the Pubs win. Howard Dean - are you reading this?

[NAO]

8. The Electoral Shock Troops of The RRR overwhelm moderates

by the numerical superiority they achieve by a 99.9+% turnout at the polls and a 99.9+% vote for the candidate(s) endorsed by their Radical Clerics.

When allied with rational republicans, they can produce a landslide victory for the Right.

Soon, they may be able to achieve ultimate triumph by defeating the entire progressive/liberal coalition AND the moderate republicans AND the libertarian republicans by electing FRIST in 2008.

We'd all be left crying in our Holy Communion Cups.

The Swift Advance of a Planned Coup: Conquering by Stealth and Deception - How the Dominionists Are Succeeding in Their Quest for National Control and World Power
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvanceOfaPlannedCoup.htm

The Despoiling of America: How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

[TheDebbieDee]

9. Hate to be the voice of doom, but as long as we allow

repukes to count the votes, then showing up to vote in large numbers for Democrats may be undermined.

[Cha]

17. Precisely!

It's just reality!

[autorank]

6. Get in bed with the devil, get screwed by the devil!!!

McCain deserves it. He could have gone down in political history as the greatest hero of all time, a truly selfless man, if he'd done the right thing and endorsed and campaigned for Kerry. There wouldn't be enough praise for the man now and forever more.

I wonder if it ever occurred to him that he was putting these maniacs in power. I'm sure it did. His endorsement of Bush was all about 2008, period. In other words, he sold everybody out by giving us * in order to be President...unless of course he really thought * would be better than Kerry. If that's the case, words escape me.

[mdelaguna2000]

12. exactly n/t

[Cha]

18. Endorsing Kerry would have

been the right thing to do..in the annuls of history, but the US mainstream media would have found a way to excoriate mccain and he would have gone under for that.

If you don't play footsie with the fascist media ..you get Gored!

I saw no reason for him to kiss bushbutt, though.

Now it seems he's in big trouble with the terrible fristians..ooouuuhhh

[tsuki]

24. That's right. Mr. Keating Five. A truly moral man. eom

[TreasonousBastard]

10. They can knock themselves out for all it's worth...

it looks like their day has come and gone. I hope, anyway.

It's a long time till 2008, and McCain is still wildly popular in some circles. He may not be President, but he's still in play as a rainmaker. Don't think for a minute that every fundie who voted for him in Arizona is actually listening to people like Dobson.

Frist looked like their waterboy, but what really galls them is that they placed their trust in a guy who wrote a check he couldn't cash. He blew a huge gamble, and now they have to look elsewhere. Yelling about McCain is just cover for them not having a Plan B.

It'll all blow over soon enough when they find another waterboy. Methinks Shrub was perhaps the last one dumb enough to actually pull it off, though. It takes an extraordinary kind of stupidity to make stupidity look attractive.

[emanymton]

11. All This DU Fury Is Meaningless. "Who Counts The Votes - Count."

"We The People" must not vote. The fix is in and we lose.

[GreenArrow]

13. with any luck, they'll destroy one another

"There wanst was two cats of Kilkenny
Each thought there was one cat too many
So they fought and they fit
And they scratched and they bit
'Til instead of two cats there weren't any."

Let 'em chew each other to bits.

[Tom Rinaldo]

14. If the Republican Right gets ugly toward McCain in their primaries

That should help us in the General Election. Their extremist flashing will disturb moderates and independents, and they will be landing their blows against someone other than our nominee in the process.

[calimary]

26. That basically means they do all our advance work for us. Whatever

barbs they'll use on each other WE can pick up with, adding our own touches, in the general election.

BTW, I REALLY LIKE the use of the term "RADICAL CLERICS" - REALLY like it!!!

We should try at EVERY POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY to frame people like tony perkins and the ayatolla falwell and the mullah robertson and dr. james dobson of "Focus on the Pharisees" as "RADICAL CLERICS." That term already has a big, bad, reeking stench from its association with Islamic nutcases. The only thing that separates those nutcases from the ones I just mentioned is that one group seems to prefer turbans and the other doesn't. But they're all cut from the EXACT same cloth.

What we need to do is identify them publicly AND REPEATEDLY as such, at EVERY IMAGINABLE OPPORTUNITY. That means WHENEVER you write a letter to the editor, WHENEVER you get into a political discussion with ANYONE, whether you're in the pick-up line at school, or you're waiting with some other shoppers for your prescription to be filled, to pumping gas with an unknown ally or two at the self-serve, or WHATEVER the occasion.

Ideas CAN be planted.

Perceptions CAN be manipulated.

Souls CAN be saved.

And political wars CAN be won.

[CatholicEdHead]

30. Yes

it will help us. More and more "non-born again" Republicans are very irritated at the Religous Right. Just like the Democratic Party has times of increased intra-party division, so do the Republicans. They will set up their own circular firing squad in the Primaries.

It is the same with each party, the more divided one is over the other tends to make it stronger come election time.

The most recent GOP example was Ross Perot.

[PassingFair]

27. Good!

Hopefully the fruitcakes will split their vote between a buttkisser-like McCain and a fundie freak.
Maybe we will be able to drive down the middle and take the crown.

[leesa]

15. Fine with me...McCain's a sleaze...funny, they usually like that type!

[LuPeRcALiO]

16. good! This is a win - win - win:

1. McCain is an appealing candidate and would be tough to beat, so if they block him, fine.

2. If McCain tries to play ball with them (and he will), he'll be a lot less appealing, and they'll knife in the back anyway.

3. Best of all: if McCain is the candidate, does play ball with them, and they knife him in the back by running their own candidate (Pat Robertson say), they'll split the GOP vote, and if that happens then

HOPE
IS
ON
THE
WAY!!!!

:kick:

[NAO]

19. You forgot the scenario where they win and elect Frist...

and defeat the progressives, liberals, moderate republicans, libertarians, the oil cartels, the pharmaceutical industry, big business, the academics, the intellectuals, the labor unions, the neo-cons and all the other "forces" of "Secular Humanism" and gloriously establish "The Theocratic States of America: One Nation UNDER GOD".

Do not underestimate the danger posed by the Rabid Religious Reich. In the first few centuries AD, they aggressively worked for, and achieved the destruction of the Roman Empire and the entirety of Western Civilization, plunging mankind into 1,000 years of Dark Ages.

They have done it before, they can do it again. The Light of Reason and the values of the Enlightenment are our only defense against these hoards of evangelical fanatics.

[CityDem]

20. McCain won't be Prez

1. McCain will be 72 years old in 2008 and has had numerous operations to treat his cancer. This will be a concern to some primary voters.

2. McCain has trouble with the base of the repub party who actually nominate the candidate. McCain will not campaign in Iowa (like 2000) because he will lose. He may win in New Hampshire, but he will be thrashed again in S. Carolina.

3. McCain performed well in 2000 in states where dems could cross over and vote for a fundie because Gore had the dem race locked up. The dems will have a real primary in 2008 and even if Hillary is the favorite, most dems will be voting for a dem candidate. McCain cannot count on all of the dem and independent votes he received in 2000.

4. McCain was an outsider or maverick in 2000 -- most of the electorate had not heard much about him. Now he is very well known and considered one of the power brokers in the Senate. He will not have the appeal as an "outsider".

5. If you question how much influence the religious right have in repub politics, check out Hagel's comments on the Senate MOU on judicial nominations. Hagel had been reported as leaning against the nuclear option. However, he voiced strong opposition to the agreement after receiving a letter from the religious fundies in Iowa. Opposing the religious fundies in the repub party would be the equivalent of a dem candidate opposing the views of moveon or NOW.

6. McCain is a conservative asshole and if he somehow won the nomination and was elected president, we would be almost as bad off as we are now with AWOL.

[many a good man]

22. How big is the fundie base?

I've seen it estimated that up to 30% of voters are fundies. That would mean 60% of the GOP vote. Does this sound right to you?

A split between fundies and the rest would spell doom for them in any national election. Sure McCain would likely clean up on Independent voters and snag more than a few Dems, but the fundie brats would probably take their ball and cry all the way home.

[TrogL]

21. So what's with this movie being advertised?

IIRC a six-part series on McCain as a POW?

Seems to me somebody's gearing somebody up for a Presidential run.

[safi0]

23. I think your looking

Too much into this. This movie has probably been in the works for 1.5-2 years and if McCain were really using this as a tool for 2008 I think it'd be a little more effective if he released it two years from now, or better yet three years from now. I don't know how much people are gonna remember a made for TV movie on a pretty obscure channel 2-3 years from now.

[deadparrot]

25. You play with fire, you get burned.

McCain's actions in campaigning for Bush, despite the personal attacks on McCain's own child, are despicable.

I can respect him for his military service...because that's just hell, no two ways about it, but campaigning for a monster...that part's unforgivable, and I hope he gets what's coming to him.

[rocktivity]

28. McCain can destroy Bush right back

by deciding that he and his "gang of 14" can no longer ignore the calls for investigation of Bush's Iraq policies to determine if they are impeachable. Then he could run as the "super moderate" who "prevented" the nuclear option behind Frist's back, then "purged" Bush and the Fristians from the GOP.

:headbang:
rocknation

[CityDem]

29. One problem

This will never happen because McCain is as big of a supporter of the war on Iraq as AWOL. McCain is a very conservative repub who likes to maintain his image as a maverick by going against the leadership on select issues. McCain is pro war and anti choice - surely not progressive positions. I think some dem are fascinated by him because he took on AWOL in 2000 and we know how much the people around here like the chimp.