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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 05:46 PM
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The "Catholo-fascism" theory of US politics
Edited on Fri May-27-05 05:50 PM by EVDebs
David McCullough’s book 1776 excerpts shows that the book is certainly well researched and sure to be a goldmine of insights into George Washington. However, I would like to know if anything at all will make it into print regarding Washington being a Freemason. In light of modern-day adoption of the ‘futurist’ eschatology and the Left Behind series, the prevailing Protestant eschatology of ‘historicism’ (which posits the Papacy as the antichrist) in Washington’s day deserves to be mentioned.

Futurism originated with the Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera during the Counter Reformation 1500s in order to deflect attention away from the Papacy as antichrist posited by Protestant preachers. As John J. Robinson’s book Born In Blood: The Lost Secrets of Freemasonry, freemasonry was an offshoot of the persecuted Knights Templars. The end result , from the 18th through 20th Centuries, was a Freemasonic revolutionary movement (Washington, Garibaldi, Diaz, Bolivar, Kerensky) that was very anti-Papacy and pro rights-of-free-men, including freedom of religion.

A look behind the ‘Pope’s Stone’ incident with George Washington’s Monument on the Capital Mall should show that, at least up to the mid-20th Century, the ‘historicist’ eschatology and Freemasonic precepts held sway. See
www.nps.gov/wamo/history/chap3.htm

That background seems to be completely eroded today, as most Protestant denominations appear to be conjoined with the Catholic church in espousing the pre-tribulation rapture ‘futurist’ eschatology and the denunciation of Freemasonry.

I hope that David McCullough delves into this fascinating Freemasonic background that can explain much about the greatest of our Founding Fathers, of whom many were Freemasons.

We now have an almost 'Catholo-fascism' . As evidence please note that our CIA's early leaders (Wild Bill Donovan, Bill Casey, James Jesus Angleton, John McCone, Alan Dulles, and the 'operation paperclip' refuge Reinhard Gehlen) were Knights of Malta.

KOM is a fiercely loyal Catholic order (as is Opus Dei, born in fascist Spain), who originally were known as the Knights Hospitallers. They ended up, around 1307 with the demise of the Knights Templar, taking over the KT's properties and much of their wealth. Later, the Knights Templar morph into the Freemasons of today..

It is fascinating to speculate but the modern populizer of 'futurist' eschatology is Hal Lindsey, who is said to be a consultant to the CIA. Lindsey penned the book "Late Great Planet Earth" in the '70s. It is curious to think that the Third Temple (where the Dome of the Rock sits today) is necessary -- and hence the 3rd holiest site of Islam is required to be destroyed in order to fulfull this 'futurist' eschatology. Historicist eschatology finds a Third Temple completely UNNECESSARY.

But the CIA and the Bush 'base' find it necessary.

FBI spy Robert Hansen was/is an Opus Dei member...Robert Novak is now an Opus Dei member...

If the CIA has been, to use the perjorative, 'infiltrated' with a Catholo-fascist groupthink (remember many founding CIA leadership were/are Knights of Malta) then our whole system of government, which favors the 'futurist' view of end times -- and REQUIRES a Third Temple in Jerusalem and all the turmoil that that entails-- then brother, we have a serious problem.

Back to our Freemasonic heritage of religious tolerance, and a jaundiced eye to the Papacy ?

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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:00 PM
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1. The papacy as..
.. the anti-christ?

Works for me.. except for John XXIII.

Maledict XVI has sunk the papacy so low I don't know if it will ever recover. Sinister Nazi-like pope, allied to dangerous buffoon President, definitely equals anti-christ in my book, and it's definitely not the Bible and not anything close to the fundie or evangelical idea of Christ.

Sue
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:19 PM
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4. See End Time Delusions by Steven Wohlberg
http://www.endtimeinsights.com/site/v2_3/

and a brief description in

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm

offers information also.

A Third Temple in Jerusalem is a REQUIREMENT of the 'futurist' Left Behind eschatology, ensuring turmoil in the Middle East since the destruction of the Islamic sites currently on the Temple Mount, the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, would have to be destroyed for any Third Temple to be built.

Read PBS's Millenium story to see they are deadly serious

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week319/cover.html

proof of what they want.

Read Gary Burge’s web article on Christian Zionism at

http://www.hcef.org/hcef/index.cfm/ID/159

to see that a Third Temple isn't what Jesus had in mind.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:09 PM
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3. Not anti-catholic. Just anti-corporate religion a.k.a. middlemen
such as the Papacy. No offense intended. "Ignore" at your own expense politically.

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Preterism
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm

The Bush "base" is made up of mostly Protestant denominations who've bought into the Left Behind pre-tribulation secret rapture of the Counter Reformation's Jesuit priest Francisco Ribera.

The information about our 'intelligence' communities ties to the Knights of Malta is no secret either.

I don't wish to see a St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre here in the US. But the way things are going, unless people wise up to the origins of these end times delusions...it's a possibility.

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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:44 PM
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5. You may wish to get to know the poster and read his sources
before making calous statements.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-05 06:53 PM
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6. *yawn* Read the Da Vinci code lately? Tinfoil needs adjustment.
Edited on Fri May-27-05 06:57 PM by Zynx
Btw, the association of Catholics with "Left Behind" and other Rapture nonesense is totally, utterly wrong.

Catholics don't believe any of that. That's pure fundamentalist evangelical garbage and its also EXTREMELY recent "theology."
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7. Locking as flamebait and insensitive to Catholics n/t
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