Voinovich is in tears on Senate floor!

[sabra]

All I can say is wow!!!

Speaking in length about concerns on Bolton. Concerned about the direction of the world. Concerned about his children and grandchildren...

Pretty moving.

edit: more detail

[Obviousman]

1. why is he crying?

[rhett o rick]

96. If he bucks the Fuhrer he will lose his parking spot

[sabra]

124. VIDEO HERE

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/05/25.html#a3111

[ElsewheresDaughter]

181. God bless him and I hope that these emptyheaded repukes hear him!

[invictus]

186. He is crying because he is afraid Cheney and Frist will punish him ...

... if he does the right thing which is to vote against Bolton.

[Arugula Latte]

195. Stay out of small planes, Senator.

Just stay the hell out of small planes.

[Deep13]

2. About what? Bolton?

[Rainscents]

3. Isn't he republican?

[hatrack]

5. I didn't realize they were allowed emotions other than rage & self-pity

Just goes to show that you learn something new every day! :evilgrin:

[Rainscents]

10. I love the evil grin!

:evilgrin:

[bertha katzenengel]

16. far be it from a Republican to step up and do the right thing, eh?

:eyes:

[pgh_dem]

they haven't exactly kept up with leapyears in frequency

of doing the right thing, since the southern strategy...

[bertha katzenengel]

41. IMO give credit when/where it is due.

[siliconefreak]

6. that's why this is significant (n/t)

n/t

[LittleClarkie]

35. Actually right now, I'd say he's a patriot

good on him

[Rainscents]

56. I loved his speech! He knows something about Bolton that is very

scary... Something beyound anyone can imagine.

[Protagoras]

129. One of the first real signs of having a conscience I've seen

from a republican in some time. I hope it's infectious.

[lonestarnot]

132. I am really afraid that you are right.

[unexceptionally]

156. He knows what we know:

He is atrocious to the US diplomatic cause. This GOP guy understands the risks of extremism. His emotion is apt.

[AuntiBush]

115. Really! I'm telling you, the tides turning fast, but so is June.

[AAARRRGGGHHH]

119. He wasn't a patriot last November

during the Ohio 'recount'.

[lyonn]

127. He was re-elected in 04 and figured

if he bucked for sure he would get a bad recount - maybe? Hope I'm not mistaken about him running in 04.

[sabra]

4. Concerned about his children and grand children

in today's world and the direction we are going...

[Deep13]

9. Hey! ...

... plenty of room on the left side of the chamber.

[truebrit71]

11. He is part of the problem...

:yawn:

[bunny planet]

33. It's your party taking us in that bad direction Senator, switch sides.

Do it for your children and your grandchildren.

[rhett o rick]

94. Not all Republicans are bad. We need moderate Republicans to vote with us

they need to kick out their leaders.

[calimary]

162. He could have voted with us in committee - when he let bolton's

nomination go through. Stirring oratory and openly-voiced "misgivings" aside.

He could have renounced a lot more than this.

He could seriously do the correct and noble thing and pull a Jeffords. Leave the Greedy Overreaching Party and turn independent.

So he's staying in the fold? Then, in effect, he's still part of the problem.

Actually, he's a scab we need to start picking. There's a bloody wound in the GOP. He's one of 'em. He's more or less scabbed over. But the wound is NOT healed. We should start picking that scab.

Some of his DC info (link):
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?State=OH
State Offices:
http://voinovich.senate.gov/state_office/index.htm

Or 1 [phone] - TOLL FREE to CAPITOL HILL.

Ask to be transfered to his office. URGE HIM ON. Urge him to consider going independent. Urge him to take seriously that there are MILLIONS of us out there (Pew Research poll, too) that agree with him that his pResident's and party's policies are sending us over a cliff. Urge him to become part of the solution rather than remaining part of the problem. As long as he remains republi-CON, he gives the Dark Side more strength and power. He at least SAYS he is growing mightily uncomfortable with that state of affairs.

Perhaps he should be invited to put his money where his mouth is - for the good of our country, and his children and grandchildren. And all of OURS, too.

[rhett o rick]

164. i agree with you. We need to do the same to the seven involved in

the compromise.

[calimary]

165. Indeed. DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

I think what we're seeing is parts of the big, solid GOP wall crumbling. It's so big by now, and so tall, and with so few supports, that it can't stand up anymore. There are chunks of it starting to fall away. There are more chunks loosening. We need to start working on those chunks with screw-drivers and crow-bars - hell, even forks and spoons. ANYTHING to pry off more crumbling chunks. You do enough of that, and soon enough, the whole wall gives way.

You have a good idea there. If not Voinovich, then why not also Warner, Snowe, Collins, Chafee, and MAYBE just a few more here and there.

And BTW, WELCOME TO DU!!! We need you - BADLY! Thrilled and gratified that you're here!

Now get to work.

[rhett o rick]

169. Im working im working. I must have sent 50 emails last week. I agree

that blogging aint enough. I have repeatedly contacted my two Senators Cantwell and Murray and asked where they stand and begged them to speak out. NO response. I think they have their heads down hopping this fascism cloud will just blow over. Now back to work. Thanks for the welcome.

[calimary]

192. YAY, oh Stalwart One!

Even MORE delighted to have you here! Just keep at it. Every little bit. And may I humbly draw your attention to the Five Star Thread in Activism & Events -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x8816

Parts 23, 27, 38, and 41 in particular. Good motivationals and discussions from other DUers about the advantages and best ways of contacting the media, and why you should NEVER get discouraged.

[GOTV]

39. In the direction to which he helped steer n/t

[calimary]

193. And a big, hearty Welcome to DU to you, too, GOTV!

Cheers!

[shance]

53. I'm so grateful to see a Republican leader talk about the truth and CARE

I don't care if he has been a part of the problem, the key is he's apparently seeing the 'light' and gets how seriously destructive to ALL OF US the Republican/Neocon agenda is.

[chomskysright]

71. KICK!!

[jwirr]

91. And there my friends is the gist of

the issues we face. Our children and grandchildren and in my case great grandchildren. This is the true issue of all politics: what our own actions will mean for our families' future. When we are arguing an issue we should never forget this. Their future is what brings anyone with family to tears.

[JerseygirlCT]

111. Not concerned enough, however, to stop the nomination

in committee.

[orleans]

146. i was just thinking the same thing after i watched the video

and he could've stopped it
and he should've stopped it
and he caved.

and his grandchildren will ask him: "why didn't you stop that bad man, grandpa?"

and what will he say? that he cared about the grandkid but he cared about the repukie party more? that he cared about bushie more? that he misplaced his balls?

(sorry--it's a bit yuck--but that's what i'm thinking: yuck!)

[Terre]

184. I'm late to the party here

but I just have to agree - He could have stopped it, and he didn't.

His stand against Bolton is admirable, but that's about as much as I'll give him credit for.

[bloom]

7. Yeah

that was intense.

[Firenze777]

8. he voted for Owens tho

guess Enron accountability doesn't factor into his sense of loss.

[Miss Chybil]

68. Didn't Senator Byrd vote for Owens? nt

[formerrepuke]

12. One possible explanation for Voinovicn in tears:

He probably has a soft spot (more like a sore spot)where children are concerned: his daugher (Molly?) was struck by a car and killed when she was about 9 years old...this happened in Cleveland- and I think he was still mayor at the time (early 1980s).

[pf99]

38. I remember that well

His daughter died during the election vs Kucinch and the campaign stopped for a while.

It was a sad day in Cleveland.

[sniffa]

82. or cutting onions

:P

j/k. i'm Liking this guy more and more.

[bicentennial_baby]

13. Oh yawn...

Spare me George...Should have thought about it when you had the chance to knock Bolton out in committee.

[siliconefreak]

17. You're cold, "baby" (n/t)

n/t

[bicentennial_baby]

27. Yep

I've got no love for those who have enabled Bush every damn step of the way, sorry.

[mistertrickster]

51. Heh, I'm with Baby on this one. Voinovich can do something about

it in a way most Americans can only dream of.

Don't get upset, Voinovich . . . get cracking and do something, dude.

I'd start by switching parties . . .

[calimary]

163. Me, too. As long as he stays with the party and behaves himself

except for a few isolated hand-wringing speeches on the Senate floor, HE IS AN ENABLER. NOTHING BUT. HE IS PART OF THE PROBLEM, NOT OF THE SOLUTION. And he could do something about that if he REALLY had the guts and the moral character and a living conscience instead of a lump of coal. It's YOUR move, George. Do you REALLY want to send a message - and do something genuine for those children and grandchildren of yours, about whom you profess to be so dreadfully concerned? Let's see what you're made of.

[fujiyama]

18. Agreed

I'm sick of the theatrics by worthless self serving pukes, even if he is right for once.

[marions ghost]

171. agreed

have to watch out for being suckered by the theatrics.

[bloom]

29. I was wondering

why it would be "better" for Voinovich to vote for FOR sending the Bolton nom to the floor and then speak out like that instead of just not voting for him in committee.

It seems like both would seem equally "traitorous" or whatever to the Republicans.

And esp. if he felt THAT strongly about it.... :shrug:

[bicentennial_baby]

32. I'm assuming that it's because

if Bolton got knocked out in committee b/c of Voinovich, it would be all on him (all being Repub wrath). If Bolton gets knocked out in the full Senate, not so much crap thrown at him, comparatively.

[chomskysright]

73. Well, you know, if Colin Powell hadn't gone against his own suspicions....

we wouldn't be in this fucking illegal war right now.

If Colin Powell had said as re: that UN reading: I ain't doing this...the whole thing would have stopped dead.

[chomskysright]

74. what's it gonna be, Voinovich: this is 'TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD' times....

[dansolo]

104. I think he was pressured to allow Bolton out of committee

And now his guilty conscience is bothering him.

[kodi]

125. there was a deal, vote it out of committe, allow him to attack bolton

seems obvious.

i have never seen a senator of the same party as a nominee go after a nominee like this.

voinovich must have been pushed to the wall to let bolton get to the senate floor. but at a cost. voinovich can say what he wants, and bush does not unleash the right wing smear hounds for doing so, or else voinovich publically releases some damned damaging info on bolton.

bolotn is the tip of the iceberg. only at the stat dept was intel not skewed to serve bush's iraq invasion designs, and that as because bolton had to go threu armitage and powell. had rice been running the state dept then, bolton would have had free reign to make up any old shit for bush and cheney to scare folks.

[ladeuxiemevoiture]

176. I agree.

eom

[sasquatch]

14. Have Howard Dean give him some Paxil and try to bring him to the light

He can hang out with me, were from the same state.

[paulk]

15. it was a very powerful

and heartfelt speech.

It puts all the Republican waterboy's arguments (hey, Norm Coleman, you're up next),into context.

[Rainscents]

20. Coleman is a piss of shit...

[Kipling]

19. Woah... Bolton must be REALLY bad!

In a spirit of compassion I feel sorry for this Vionovitch guy, but he should just join the side of good! Save your kids, man!

[Penndems]

26. Bolton's a self-serving, meglomanical SOB

GOP "company man" who serves three masters: Himself, The Village Idiot and the Republican Party.

Take it from me - I know.

[MuseRider]

21. Stress?

The pressure on these guys has got to be really bad right now. I would most likely disagree with almost everything this man has ever voted for BUT this was something worth seeing. I can only imagine the pressure that has been applied to him, perhaps he held fast against it and is now expecting the worst? Wasn't he one of the guys who held out on the budget and they put advertisements on TV with his picture in front of the French flag? Damn.

[siliconefreak]

22. He's got to be exhausted at this point (n/t)

n/t

[MsTryska]

23. hmm...I wonder if he's getting death threats from

the republican Enforcers, and it's making him all emotional and melancholy?

[Stinky The Clown]

24. I'm not a Voinovich supporter, but consider this

as a possible answer to your question.

He doesn't want Bolton.

He's a Republican

He's allowing for the coveted 'up or down' vote

He's working to convince his peers to vote with him, against Bolton.

Again, I'm not a Voinovich supporter and really don't know a whole hell of a lot about him, but you posed the issue, and this seems a reasonable answer that squares with what we currently know the facts to be.

[Rainscents]

25. There must be something real big and very bad secret about Bolton...

Why is it, it's making this man cry? I'm guessing, something to do with North Korea... Possibility going to war with NK? They have 8 nukes now.

[bloom]

40. It was interesting how he made a reference

to why Bolton was nominated - but wouldn't elaborate - suggested people talk to the various Senators in the committee (as if the Senators have time to secretly talk to everyone in the country about what the mystery is).

[johnaries]

45. No secret. Everyone (who's paid attention) knows that B*

and the neo-cons want us out of the UN. Bolton is abrasive enough that he could get us kicked out, or least make the UN hate us so much that they'll start criticizing us - which will "patriotic" Amerikans support our pull-out. Then, the PNAC can do what it wants in the world. Invade Iran? Sure! We're not part of the UN anymore, so we don't need their "permission."

Of course, anyone with any sense knows that means us against the world. Even if it means WWIII.

[bloom]

63. There is also the payoff

for the 2000 election stuff in Florida - I wonder what other things there are that we won't hear about.

[chomskysright]

75. YES, and Bolton was involved (here) re: the FL election matter:

John Bolton vs. Democracy
By John Nichols
The Nation


Wednesday 13 April 2005


"I'm with the Bush-Cheney team, and I'm here to stop the count."
Those were the words John Bolton yelled as he burst into a Tallahassee library on Saturday, Dec. 9, 2000, where local election workers were recounting ballots cast in Florida's disputed presidential race between George W. Bush and Al Gore.
Bolton was one of the pack of lawyers for the Republican presidential ticket who repeatedly sought to shut down recounts of the ballots from Florida counties before those counts revealed that Gore had actually won the state's electoral votes and the presidency.
The December 9 intervention was Bolton's last and most significant blow against the democratic process.
The Florida Supreme Court had ordered a broad recount of ballots in order to finally resolve the question of who won the state. But Bolton and the Bush-Cheney team got their Republican allies on the US Supreme Court to block the review. Fearing that each minute of additional counting would reveal the reality of voter sentiments in Florida, Bolton personally rushed into the library to stop the count.
Bolton was in South Korea when it became clear that the Nov. 7, 2000, election would be decided in Florida. At the behest of former Secretary of State James Baker, who fronted the Bush-Cheney team during the Florida fight, Bolton winged his way to Palm Beach, where he took the lead in challenging ballots during that county's recount. Then, when the ballots from around the state were transported to Tallahassee for the recount ordered by the state Supreme Court, Bolton followed them.
It was there that he personally shut down the review of ballots from Miami-Dade County, a populous and particularly contested county where independent reviews would later reveal that hundreds of ballots that could reasonably have been counted for Gore were instead discarded.
Miami-Dade County Elections Supervisor David Leahy argued at the time that 2,257 voters had apparently attempted to mark ballot cards for Gore or Bush but had not had them recorded because they had been improperly inserted into the voting machines. A hand count of those ballots revealed that 302 more of them would have gone for Gore than Bush. That shift in the numbers from just one of Florida's 67 counties would have erased more than half of Bush's 537-vote lead in the state.
But attempts to conduct a hand count were repeatedly blocked by the Bush-Cheney team, culminating with Bolton's December 9 announcement that, "I'm here to stop the count." A few days later, the US Supreme Court would stop the count permanently, with a pro-Bush ruling in which five Republican-appointed justices, in the words of noted attorney Vincent Bugliosi, "committed the unpardonable sin of being a knowing surrogate for the Republican Party instead of being an impartial arbiter of the law."
Bolton was a key player in the fight to delay the Florida count long enough to allow for the Supreme Court's intervention, and he got his reward quickly. Despite his record of making controversial and sometimes bizarre statements regarding international affairs, he was selected by the Bush administration in 2001 to serve as Under Secretary of State for Arms Control. And he is now in line to become the US Ambassador to the United Nations.
Before he is given that position, and charged with the job of promoting the spread of democracy around the world, however, senators would do well to consider the disregard John Bolton showed for democracy in Florida.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/041505D.shtml#1

[Zookeeper]

183. Wow! Thanks for posting. That explains a lot. n/t

[Melynn]

116. Something is drastically wrong

Voinovich is my Senator and he is about the last guy on earth that I would expect to see crying in public. Voinovich is a pretty hard controlled person.

I'll admit that I didn't really take the Bolton nomination seriously before this. After all, what difference does another neo-con appointment mean in the grand scheme of things. Or so I thought.

If Voinovich is crying on the Senate floor there has to be something horrible about Bolton. Now, I'm really scared.

Come on Senator Voinovich, be a patriot and tell us what you know.

[Helga Scow Stern]

28. It was very moving:

He said his friends tell him, "George, just let it go. Everything will be alright." But he says he can't let it go, he can't take that chance, it's just too important. We need the support of the world now, more than ever, he said.

[bunny planet]

30. Wow

I wish he had cryed while Bolton was still in committee.
This might get more press though.

[ourbluenation]

31. Biden said that if it were a secret vote Bolten wouldn't even get 40

He then suggested Bush senior get the job!!!

[MuseRider]

37. I like the way

they keep bringing up the secret vote issue. A quiet way to let the people know how this administration and this party is working. Wasn't it Byrd who mentioned it a few times the other day?

[LibDemAlways]

34. If Voinovich is truly concerned about

the world he is leaving to his children and grandchildren, he ought to consider leaving the dark side. Just today he voted for the nenderthal Owen, and now we're supposed to believe he has a conscience? I'm not buying.

[bloom]

36. He also brought up "The Emperor Has No Clothes"...

but didn't elaborate on the reference.

[burythehatchet]

42. Norm Coleman: Is there a more UNimpressive senator?

From his complete lack of taste in wardrobe - Men's Wearhouse special - to his idiotic haircut - Green Goblin will return - the guy is a complete hack loser. Al Franken would win that contest, and I think Al will do it for Wellstone's memory.

[BillZBubb]

43. Of the Crocodylus Republicanus variety no doubt.

If he REALLY thought Bolton was that bad, he would have killed the nomination in committee when he had the chance. Even a dumb, right wing, twit like him would know that once the nomination went to the Senate floor, Bolton would win a party line vote.

Excuse me for not being impressed.

[Rainscents]

46. Thats my thought...

Do you think, he regret it now?

[Pacifist Patriot]

60. Hmmm, does he regret it or relish the attention?

I honestly don't know enough about the man.

[LaurenG]

44. It could be he's had a revelation about his own party

Besides remember Ohio is a red state and a pretty stuffy red state at that. I wrote to him last week 5/20/05. This is what I said.

I am writing regarding the internal attack on our great country.

I am a former republican, I could not, with any integrity, vote for our current President. My family settled in Warren County in 1809, and I come from a long line of republicans. Although they moved from Ohio in 1850 they settled in Wayne and Madison county Indiana. I feel I should also mention that the revolutionary war was fought by many of my direct ancestors on both sides.

It is with that emphasis that I am beseeching you to stand up to the monstrosity that is rearing its head in all the branches of our Government. I feel that you have acted with integrity and are standing on the principals on which I was raised. I feel hope as I watch you speak the truth and struggle with internal forces of the administration currently in office.

I feel quite frightened when my 81 year old mother who has never voted for anyone who wasn’t a republican state that she believes our President must be “stupid” because an intelligent being wouldn’t be doing these things. Please help to set our country right again as we work our way through the maturity and enlightenment process currently upon us.

We have so many things that we could be doing in a positive fashion yet we bang our heads every step of the way attempting to assert personal and national power over others needlessly...

[Straight Shooter]

50. Good letter. Heartfelt.

Maybe it found its way to him, and touched his heart ...

:thumbsup:

[Rainscents]

52. Great Letter! Very inspiring.

Oh, by the way... Welcome to DU!!!

:hi:

[Eloriel]

128. You're not alone -- here are a few other conversions

I've collected just here at DU, just in the past few weeks:

A Voter Switches Party Affiliation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1803102&mesg_id=1803102

Something in the air? Lots of converted Repubs....
(links to the following three threads)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3654563

New to DU by reformedrepub (14 posts at the time)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1780575

OMG - my parents LEAVE the Republican Party!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3652906

Hi, my name is Stacy, and I'm a recovering Republican...................
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3651186&mesg_id=3651186&page=

Wlecome to DU!

[mahina]

187. Excellent letter, welcome to DU.

Your mom sounds like my grandma, the real America. We should be sure to introduce W to them one of these days, he might learn a thing or two. MY (ex R) grandma would probably slap his head.

[PretzelWarrior]

47. well, when his hardline GOP opponent comes up in primaries

I am sure his "crying jag" will be highlighted quite a bit. F*cking animals won't care at all about his emotion on the issue.

[chomskysright]

76. You know: there are times where you say fuck it re: what happens b/c it

if you don't, you're always looking over your shoulder to see who you've impressed/ pissed off.

[Rainscents]

48. My guess...

Republican who will not vote for Bolton... McCain, Snows, Voinovich, for now this comes to my mind

[understandinglife]

49. He knows he serves a dictator; plain and simple.

Peace.


Mr Lucas, it HAS happened


missionnotaccomplished.us

[CTyankee]

54. Time to sh*t or get off the pot

buddy. Hope your crisis wakes you from your koolaid induced fugue state. We need more of these breakdowns. But he's gotta change his votes, otherwise nobody believes the conversion!

In the saying of the Southern Baptists, "If you want to wear the crown, you've got to carry the cross."

[welshTerrier2]

55. am i to understand ???

Voinovich goes to the floor of the Senate and speaks truth to power and there are people here who apparently are unable to separate the message from the messenger ...

i didn't see or hear his speech but if Voinovich stood up and told the truth i commend him for it ... have we become so partisan that we can't acknowledge a little bit of courage and truthtelling when we see it ???

[LaurenG]

57. Thats what I'm talking about

You are so absolutely right. Many of our own are sitting on the side saying nothing.

[goclark]

120. I agree - we need any help we can get at this point

It's any port in a storm and it is rainy cats and dog right now in America!

The Republicans are finally speaking out and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Now if we only could have a WIN to give America back to the real people not this gang of crooks.

[Ekirh]

58. Don't know how I feel about this.

Quite frankily it seems he's trying to have it both ways, being align with the current Republican party and at the same time fighting against the aspects that he doesn't like. I'm no Voinovich fan, nor am I completely buying this crying act, but maybe he's just tired of it all. Maybe he's tired of what he's supporting and is realizing way to late what he has helped accomplish (or destroy). . .

I don't know. He should've killed it in committee, but again he was trying to have it both ways, point out what he doesn't like but at the same time not completely "go against his party". Voinovich needs to decide what he actually wants and stick with it.

I don't even know if I'm mkaing sense, I'm sick right now and I'm posting this half asleep, so forgive me if I don't make sense.

[Rainscents]

64. You make sense... Hope you feel better soon!

BTW... I love the photo of PUPPY! He is sooooooooooooo cute!

[dooner]

59. Repubs will say he is "unstable"

and crucify him for this...

Poor guy, not fit to be a republican.. he has a conscience.

[mmonk]

61. It really makes you wonder what they know

and what kind of tactics are used to threaten independent minded party members.

[Laurab]

158. Exactly my thought

not so much what they know, but what kind of tactics they use. The few repugs who voice an opinion that doesn't go along with party lines seem truly frightened to me. More so than a grown man should be, and when you think about it, some of these guys have been through terrible things - POW's, death's of children. It would seem as though it would take an awful lot to frighten people who have been through that type of crisis, but they ARE frightened. It really scares me.

[Helga Scow Stern]

62. His tears were real. He is scared about the way things are going,

and this one indulgence is just too dangerous to let go.

May 25, 2005

Dear Senator Voinovich,

I just saw your speech regarding the Bolton nomination on C-Span. I can’t tell you how moved I am by your courage and integrity in standing up for what you believe, in the face of what must be tremendous opposition.

My heart goes out to you. Thank you so much for restoring my confidence in the human race, for one more day.

These days what shines even brighter and is as rare as the finest gold is this kind of speaking the truth. Please keep it up in all areas of your work.

Respectfully,

[Rainscents]

65. Beautiful letter!!! I will write one too! His speech was very beautiful!

[mmonk]

66. good one

[Rainscents]

67. Can you please post his email address for me? Thanks!

[chomskysright]

77. Voinovich contact page:

http://voinovich.senate.gov/contact/index.htm

[Rainscents]

78. Thank you very much!

[chomskysright]

81. My letter just sent to Voinovich's web page:

use as you like:

THANK YOU SENATOR VOINOVICH FOR FEELING BADLY ENOUGH ABOUT ALL OF THIS THAT YOU FOUND YOURSELF CRYING ON THE SENATE FLOOR.

SIR, YOU'RE A BIGGER MAN THAN ALL OF YOUR COLLEAGUES PUT TOGETHER.

****HOLD YOUR COURSE, WE'RE BEHIND YOU SIR*****

REASONS TO NOT VOTE FOR BOLTON:

1. TO APPOINT HIM IS TO FINISH THE DEMOLITION OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY:

Ray McGovern spent 27 years as a CIA analyst, during which he chaired National Intelligence Estimates and prepared and briefed to senior White House officials the President's Daily Brief.

After Gates was confirmed, many bright analysts who scored high on integrity quit rather than take part in cooking "intelligence-to-go."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/052505A.shtml


2. BOLTON IMPEDED THE FLORIDA VOTE COUNTING RE: GENERAL ELECTION IN 2000.

"I'm with the Bush-Cheney team, and I'm here to stop the count."
Those were the words John Bolton yelled as he burst into a Tallahassee library on Saturday, Dec. 9, 2000, where local election workers were recounting ballots cast in Florida's disputed presidential race between George W. Bush and Al Gore.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/041505D.shtml#1

3. HE MAKES PEOPLE AFRAID and IS A BULLY.

e.g., his ex-wife, his employees, people who have to report to him.

4. BOLTON HAS REPETITIVELY OBSTRUCTED THE ABILITY OF CONGRESS TO INVESTIGATE HIS SHARING OF TOP-SECRET INFORMATION IN ORDER TO PAVE THE WAY FOR A WAR IN IRAQ:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
".....if Bolton did share information or revelations from the intercepts, then American national security may have been undermined by Bolton's actions.
Without the intercept material, it is very difficult to compare Bolton's base of knowledge about the people and circumstances of some target the NSA was watching and what Bolton did either publicly or privately with the information he learned. In other words, if he shared such information with the Vice President's office, or with other officials across the government, then serious violations of protocol occurred...."

[LittleClarkie]

86. I just wrote him too. Here's mine:

Thank you Senator for standing up today. At times like these, there are no Republicans or Democrats, only Americans.

I may not be in the same party as you, or even in your home state, but even so I just wanted to lend my support and tell you how proud I was of you today. Thank you for standing up for your country and the future.

Courage.

[knight_of_the_star]

109. My letter to Sen. Voinovich

Senator, I heard how you were in tears over the Bolton nomination on the Senate floor. In times like this, it is the man who stands his ground and fights for the truth and the betterment of the people of the United States of America that will be remembered most. Anyone can give into a bully or a thug's threats, but it takes genuine courage and strength of will to stand up to those threats and tell the thug that he has no power and that the duty to the people and the truth matters more than any words they may say. I applaud you Senator, for choosing, like so many other great Americans in the past have, and like how so few do today, to stand up for the people, the truth, and the future of all Americans, not just Republicans, Democrats, Ohioans, Conservatives, or Liberals, but for all Americans, the young, the old, the strong, the weak, and the helpless. The hearts of many go out to you, you are not alone in this fight.

[Pryderi]

112. My letter.

Dear Mr. Voinovich,

I want to thank you for speaking your mind on the Bolton nomination. I know you must be under an incredible amount of pressure from the WH and fellow Senators. We need more men like you.

"Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
--Winston Churchill.

[chomskysright]

135. GREAT Churchill quote: never give in...we need to hold on to that....

[FighttheFuture]

177. Here's my letter, I will not hold my breath for this johnny come lately

Saw your Senate Speech on Bolton.

Oh boy!!! Tears!! WOW!!

Where were you a couple of weeks ago in committee when your vote could have stopped Bolton dead in his tracks?? Did you just suddenly grow a spine?? Visitation from Jesus showing you the hell you will inhabit?

Frankly, Senator, while I applaud and encourage you speaking up now, as I would anyone, you're a day late and a dollar short. You sold your kids and grand kids out long, long ago.

Can you make amends? Recover what's left of your soul? Help this country? I do not know. You have taken a step, but you have a thousand to go. Hint: LEAVE THE PARTY!

Good luck, and best wishes, but please understand if I don't hold my breath for any Republican becoming a human being in this age,

Skeptical and suspicious,

xxxx
Chicago

[chomskysright]

69. HE SHOULD BE IN FUCKING TEARS

[Stockholm]

70. If he feels his party is leading him down the wrong path

then why doesn´t he simply cross the floor?

[jim3775]

72. Does anyone have video? n/t

[Rainscents]

80. Watch the repeat this evening... He was first one to talk.

[wryter2000]

84. You rock

CSPAN of the Senate? I'll look for this.

:yourock:

[wildflower]

105. I'm looking at the CSPAN2 schedule...is it playing at 8:57 ET?

Are they going to play the hours of the Owen debate first?

(Schedule at: http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp )

Under CSPAN2 it says:

08:57 PM EDT
0:46 (est.)
Senate Proceeding
Senate Session
U.S. Senate

If you click on "Senate Session" it goes to http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/cspan.csp?command=dprogram&record=183726820

which says:

Senate Proceeding
Senate Session
U.S. Senate
Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
ID: 186908 - 05/25/2005 - 0:46 - $29.95

The Senate continued consideration of the nomination of Priscilla Owen as a judge for the Fifth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals.

A final confirmation vote passed 56 to 43.

The Senate then began consideration of the nomination of John Bolton as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

I have some trouble understanding this schedule. Will they play (starting at 8:57 PM) the Owen debate first, then the Bolton debate?

-wildflower

[wryter2000]

79. He's crying?

For pity's sake, if he feels that strongly, he should have ended the nomination in committee.

[Hippo_Tron]

90. Frist probably left a death threat on his doorstep

[wryter2000]

83. Video?

If anyone can post a link to a video of it (or an audio), I'd be mighty grateful.

[sabra]

123. video here

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/05/25.html#a3111

[ananda]

85. not impressed

Forget the tears.

It's the voting record that counts.

Sue

[Clark2008]

87. God bless his heart!

We need to blast him with thanks.

Anyone have his email addy?

He knows something - something more than what he's saying - something I wish he'd tell the people (the citizens of this country) who pay all their bills.

[Rainscents]

88. Email address...

http://voinovich.senate.gov/contact/index.htm

[Clark2008]

95. Thanks.

I wrote and am passing this along.

[HarveyBrooks]

160. "He knows something - something more than what he's saying"

I'm sure you're right - which is why I don't understand why he let it come to a vote.
All the tears and harsh words about bolton might make him (and some of you) feel better but when he actually could have done something about it, he caved. I'd call that a coward.

I won't be writing him a love letter any time soon.

[Hippo_Tron]

89. If Voinovich left the GOP, it would send a very strong message

I doubt that he'll do this, but it would be nice.

[Cynot]

92. I fear that this is a set up.

He has voted far right wing in the Senate for a long time. Therefore I smell KKK Rove's hand in this. Won't this make the Retugs look more moderate and tolerant of diversity and different opinions? The bottom line is that Bolton will be confirmed anyway, so the Rethugs come out of it looking more reasonable and moderate and they get Bolton in there anyway.

[Rainscents]

93. Please give a man benefit of doubt, at least this is what I try to do.

I do understand your feeling and I feel the same.

[welshTerrier2]

97. thennnnnnnn, by your own logic ...

wouldn't it make Democrats "look more moderate and tolerant of diversity and different opinions" if we complimented republicans when they speak out against one of bush's nominees ???

or should Democrats always criticize republicans no matter what they say or do?

[chomskysright]

136. I think you lead w/ your heart and do not become too calculating...

that will get us out of this mess.

calculating on calculations will not.

I like what Howard Dean has to say about this: to paraphrase: stop looking over your shoulder re: what you say or you won't be able to speak honestly

[snowbear]

99. oh BrOOooother...

:eyes:

Some people (not many) but some.. give KKKrove way too much credit..

"Oy"

[Bluzmann57]

108. Jesus fuckin' Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I feel that this is a setup". What the fuck is wrong with people around here? Can't a man show some emotion and actually be an American and not a Republican or a Democrat? I'm sick of all this conspiracy bullshit. According to some, everything is a conspiracy and all Republicans are evil, no matter what. Enough is enough! Maybe Mr. Voinivich is genuinely concerned about Bolton getting confirmed. Maybe he knows something that you don't. Maybe all this shit is just insanity. I am going to give the man the benefit of the doubt, even if you don't. Try and grow up and see life realistically. I apologize for my language at the beginning but it just sets me off when people see everything as some kind of setup or conspiracy.

[Melynn]

118. I give Voinovich more than the benefit of the doubt

I have been watching Voinovich's political career since the 80's and this is not in character for him at all. Voinovich is genuinely upset by the Bolton nomination.

[lyonn]

134. Voinovich's speech may change the vote

He was that impressive, set-out reasons with quotations. You just have to hear it to think he may cause other Repubs to change their vote. Norm Coleman (think that's his name) came on next and was his usual dip-sh*t self with assertion and lies, the usual, as weak as he was with the Scotsman (?). Franken can do him in I feel sure.

[snowbear]

133. I agree with Bluzman..

First we cheer something.. then we think it over... then we say..

Hey waitta minute.. :o

Can't be.

Hmmmm... :think:

Gasp! :o :o :o

It had to be a conspiracy!!

:rofl: You're right Bluz.. it is said pretty damned often round these parts.

He shed some tears.. Who am I to say they weren't sincere? :shrug:

[marions ghost]

173. fair enough

to give Voinivich the benefit of the doubt. But in these times, when reality is always somewhere else, ie NOT on TV--it's also quite justified to be suspicious, quite "realistic"--as realistic as anything is these days. Even paranoia is justified when repeated abuse has occurred--even paranoia can be realistic in this ruthless climate. The reaction to Voinivich's speech is going to be diverse. We don't all have to agree. I'd LIKE to believe that he was genuine, but....I've seen all too often how these performances are used to create false illusions. It doesn't hurt to give positive reinforcement to the guy, but please realize there will be many who just aren't willing to go that far. All I can say is it's an "interesting" occurance, and I take notice for future reference.
But that's it.

[johnnyrocket]

98. Shithead should have voted him down when he had the chance..

...weasel.

[rocktivity]

100. Can you say, "Internal coup?"

John McCain can...

:headbang:
rocknation

[mistertrickster]

101. Remember this--You're not who you think you are, you're not who you say

you are, YOU'RE WHAT YOU DO.

As long as he aids and abets the dickhead party, he's a dickhead.

[chomskysright]

137. people who resisted in Orwell's 1984 were also usurped:....(Orwell here)

"Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious."

[Clarkie1]

102. Good. n/t

[dansolo]

103. Voinovich was not one of the seven who compromised

At this point, I think that it is very unlikely that he would vote for any attempt by Frist with his "nuclear option". I think he is disgusted with his party. He may be an ace in the hole for the Democrats, even if Lindsey Graham goes against the agreement.

[hatrack]

106. Fine, fine, Senator, but let me ask you this simple question:

If you are so FUCKING CONCERNED why didn't you vote his ass down in committee when you had the chance to?

[wisteria]

107. Voinovich speaks passionately and honestly and all CNN says,

is he opposes Bolton and calls him a bad leader. Then they add, Bolton is expected to be confirmed. Unbelievable reporting!

[Jacobin]

110. George Galloway would kick his punk ass

and light into him with a reality tour.

That's what he needs. A fucking dose of reality and stop whining about it

[peacetalksforall]

113. Please do what you have to do to hear his entire speech. It was

incredible. Perfectly written. He covered every point as if it had not been said before and covered many points I had not heard before.

You will soar with thanks at his words.

Then, if you have to come dows, you will crash to the pits if you listen to Normie.

Does he pimp for free?

[AuntiBush]

114. He moved me! The Tides Turning, People. Finally...

I'll double that "Wow!" He won me over, today as did Biden and Sarbanes, again.

Look, maybe, just maybe certain Republicans are seeing through Bush's strong-arm tactics and they do know something "secret," that's really, really bad w/regards to Bolton, Iran, etc...

Let's embrace Senator George Voinovich (R-Ohio). Maybe more Republicans will begin to see the light, as well and do the right thing like saving our country and the world from disaster which Bolton would obviously do.

Moments ago on C-Span 1 Hatch and others (Dems and Repubs alike) joined together and said they're hearing us and reading the polls; they've joined together to embrace that Stem Cell Research bill and are going to urge Bush to not veto it.

I mean, come on folks. When Hatch says (my words) "look, we're all pro-life meaning we want to help the living and a cell is just that - a cell." Imagine how many fundies are turning in their pews right now.

:rant:

The tides turning. Voinovich cares about his children and is doing the right thing. All it takes is one brave soul to finally awaken and follow their conscious and the rest might see through it all too.

[MojoXN]

140. Good start, but....

Too little, too late. It would have been nice if this had never come to a full vote in the first place, but you can't turn back the clock, yet anyway. I think I'll try my hand at a letter of support.

MojoXN

[Auntie Bush]

154. Dems care about children. Rethugs care about cells. Look at how

many they are building.

[chartresbleu]

117. maybe he knows, or suspects, the ohio voters elected kerry....

and his conscience is starting to get to him. i actually feel a bit of pity for the middle of the road repubs, they are in the midst of a no win situation politically. hopefully they will start to accept that making expedient political decisions that are ethically corrupt is no way to be a leader. there is no question that many of them already know that bush is a reckless and dangerous fool, it's just a question of whether enough of them will finally grow a spine and take a stand. not sure if they ever will, though ironically in the long run they will be better off politically if they sever their allegiance to bush. the house of cards will someday fall down and those standing in the ruins will be held accountable.

[zulchzulu]

121. What will he say IN THE END?

Yeah, he's a great speaker...his tirade on Bolton was great UNTIL HE GAVE IT ALL AWAY BY GIVING IN.

Spare me the psychosis.

[angryxyouth]

122. OK so do the right thing

Show the world that we are not an evil nation. Help get Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Rice into handcuffs, Then apologize to the world and beg for forgiveness.

[KingOfLostSouls]

126. Everyone talking about NK And such

I think are onto something

Bolton and the neocons are hatching a plan

its long been held one of my goofier conspiracy's that we may not even SEE an election in 2008. when you see the way rumsfeld and cheney and them have these "long term" goals for reshaping the pentagon, the military, its almost like they expect to be in power for more than 3 more years.

voinovich knows, and I will say this

NONE OF IT is good for america.

[bunnyhugger]

148. absolutely

my biggest fear is the diebold machines. if they are still fucked up, it won't matter which dem is running in 2008-- 'they' will make sure a rupuke gets in.

count on it. they have very nearly TOTAL AND ABSOLUTE POWER and i don't believe they will be giving it up anytime soon.

sometimes i can't even sleep at night.

[DaDeacon]

130. So, who else feels that even the repubs have hit the "bush wall" (n/t)

[ztn]

131. If I were a republican these days, I'd cry too!....

[LittleClarkie]

138. In a weird sort of way

I wondered if this was a "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" moment where the senator comes running in confessing.

Eh, maybe not.

How about a "Soylent Green" moment. Voinovich just realized what they're making the crackers out of.

[siliconefreak]

139. Voinovich on C-SPAN - coming up now!

I believe the Bolton discussion is about to be shown again on C-SPAN - 9:11pm Pacific Time.

[siliconefreak]

142. sorry

I was wrong about that. :blush:

[Nothing Without Hope]

141. WHAT NEW NEWS HAS HE BEEN GIVEN? I strongly suspect he has just been

told about some new Adminstration plan that terrifies him and has brought home how this is no longer a democracy but a war-mongering dictatorship.

Was it about plans for war in Iran? That's due fairly soon now. Israel is supposed to attack first and then the US is supposed to support. Nukes, maybe? Not enough cannon fodder - er, troops - for a regular war any more. Rumsfeld is insane, wouldn't think twice about it.

[LittleClarkie]

143. I don't suppose, in the process of trying to explain the "big picture"

to him, the admin ended up scaring the living crap out of him?

I'm still thinking Soylent Green, myself.

[Nothing Without Hope]

144. Yes, I think he got the living crap scared clean out of him and he is

truly shaken. If he reveals it, they can ruin his career and cause "accidents" to his family.

That was a truly frightened, horrified man. He saw SOMETHING. What was it?

[Rainscents]

145. I know......... I am very scare now if Bolton gets in. I didn't feel this

way until today after what I heard. He knows something really really bad. If Bolton gets in, We are all FUCKED big time! Whatever it is, it is very bad. I am very scare!:scared:

[Nothing Without Hope]

153. I'm betting it has to do with the next war, in Iran. Maybe with nukes.

I wouldn't put it past them, and there's been a lot of talk about how nuclear bombs is not ruled out.

[Rainscents]

159. Yea, it has something to do with Nuke.

[DARE to HOPE]

172. I'm wondering if Bolton didn't push Kokal off the State Dept roof...

...with his own bare hands.

After all, Kokal was Colin Powell's personal briefer on WMD intell on a weekly basis. When he "suddenly" "fell"--a strong message was indeed sent. And they all know who the "gorilla" is.

[Nothing Without Hope]

182. Bolton is a monster they can count on to push their war plans and

thwart all attempts at diplomacy. Any member of Congress who votes for him is an enemy of the state, and, depending on what they know about the criminal plans of the Bush cartel, quite possibly a traitor.

[HarveyBrooks]

161. THEN WHY DID'NT HE KILL IT IN COMMITTEE!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Rainscents]

175. Maybe WH gaged him!

[paineinthearse]

147. Helen Thomas on the Voinovich speech

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3731464

[MojoXN]

149. My letter to Voinovich:

I decided to try and write something unnecessarily complicated to try to get it past his e-mail monkeys (interns), yet still get my point across:

Honorable Senator Voinovich,

I am a 23 year old former constituent of yours, who now resides in West Virginia. I have a brother who served in Iraq for 14 months. His service was a direct result of the policies of the radical right, those who are linked through ideology with John Bolton in their utter disdain for international law. It is with the utmost urgency that I humbly ask of you to continue your crusade against the confirmation of John Bolton as the United States ambassador to the United Nations. My fondest wish is that no more American soldiers die needless deaths for a lost cause. If John Bolton is allowed to represent this country to the rest of the world, I fear that in short order, we will find ourselves completely ostracized, totally without allies, a pariah nation. I implore you to join in solidarity with the other reasonable men of your party, and stop this travesty, this grievous offense against our American republic, from ever ocurring.

Respectfully,

My Name, that's MojoXN to you.


A true patriot would sacrifice anything and everything for the good of his nation. Is Voinovich a true patriot? We soon shall see...

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

150. what part of wv are you in?

huntington here

[MojoXN]

151. Way up north...

Not too far from Wheeling. How's the Marshall scene these days? I heard about the quadruple murder. Hard to believe that you'll find that sort of violence in this sleepy state.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

152. getting far too common in wv with the spread of meth

which i heard played a part in it

[Voltaire99]

155. Bad career move for Voinovich

No room for wet eyes in the Republican party of Abu Ghraib. The empire demands steely hearts, arid ducts, a taste for the lash, etc.

Funny, isn't it, that he's having his little Friends moment over Bolton. Did he cry when Bush appointed Negroponte or Abrams?

[realisticphish]

157. I dispise George Voinovich

he did nothing but screw ohio as governer, and continues to screw us as senator. I will give him credit for coming forward, but FAR too little, and FAR too late

[Algorem]

166. I think Voinovich cries in public a lot,I think I remember him crying when

announcing he was cutting some social program spending,as mayor I think,but maybe as Governor,really blubbering.

http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/archives/002100.php
"...it was not uncommon for Forbes to bring the newly elected Mayor Voinovich to tears; publicly humiliating him at will. I remember one particular long, tough, budget negotiation that went right down to the wire. The councilmen and administration were tired and hungry. Rather than give up though, Forbes suggested that sandwiches be brought in for everyone. "Little George" agreed and asked chief of staff Jim Conrad to see to getting the money out of the city budget, Forbes indignantly interrupted; cursing, insisting the mayor was personally causing the delay, therefore the mayor should pay for the food out of his own pocket. Humiliated again, Voinovich sheepishly, grudgingly, did so; but not without crying like a chastised baby in front of everyone. This was depressing..."


http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/archives/002100.php

"Voinovich's classic gag is to cry. When he cut programs as a governor, i think he wept before the State General Assembly in a State of the State address. He uses this tactic to get his way. It catch all off guard.

Posted by: cubejockey at April 22, 2005 07:51 PM"

http://www.majorityreportradio.com/weblog/archives/002100.php



"Don't bother trying to make sense of this. This is the same guy who as governor actually cried real tears when he was confronted by poor mothers who wanted to know why he proposed to slash low-income benefits. He made the cuts anyway."
http://loganselm.blogspot.com/2005/05/call-voinovich-now.html

[second edition]

168. What's your point! The man is helping us.

Why bring all this junk up. He spoke about his grave concerns over Bolton and pleaded with other Republicans not to vote just party politics as usual. He requested that they give great thought to their actions as it may affect all of us in the future. And for this, you find it necessary to criticize him? Can't we just appreciate the gesture without cynically questioning the mans motivation. I really don't see what he gains personally from this other than a clear conscience and some sincere thanks and maybe some additional support from people.

[Algorem]

170. For crying out loud!You might be right.

Still I want to kick him in the ass since he's no doubt looking out for #1 as always.

[Nordmadr]

167. I was moved by his speech. Here is what I wrote him.

Senator Voinovich,

Last night on CSPAN I watched the speech that you gave on the Senate floor regarding the nomination of John Bolton to represent our Nation at the United Nations. I am not one of your constituents, nor am I a Republican. I am certain that our politics differ on many issues a great deal. However, as you were clearly moved by the seriousness of this issue, so was I, and I felt the need to offer my support for the stand you are taking. Your concern on this issue is evident and I applaud you for standing against your party as you follow your own heart. If only this happened more in American Politics. I hoped that his nomination would have been stopped in committee, but I also understand the enormous amount of pressure you must be receiving from your party.

It is clear that Mr. Bolton is not the man for the job at the U.N. It amazes me that with all of the good people in this country that he is the best we can do. To be blunt, the direction this country has taken under Mr. Bush (I have difficulty acknowledging him as President) has frightened me greatly. The trends I see remind me more of a certain militant European country in the 30's and 40's that was also run by a madman. There are too many secrets, too many lies, and too much fear and intimidation being used to push the American public around. If you have looked at the recent polls you will see that this is beginning to backfire. Mr. Bush has nominated this man, because he IS the same sort of man. One that does not tolerate dissenting opinions and who also has "sharp elbows".

Mr. Voinovich, thank you and good luck. The American people need good leadership. So be a leader, and remember, on the other side of the fence, we have a big tent.

Sincerely,
Richard A. Reichert
Syracuse, New York

[kskiska]

174. Brit Hume & Krauthammer were making fun of him at Faux News

[kerry-is-my-prez]

178. Here's what the freeps are saying. He's probably getting death threats.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1410932/posts

Question: DOES VOINOVICH HAVE THE TEMPERAMENT TO EVEN CAST A VOTE IN THE SENATE?

"called his office in DC and left a message: no crying in politics. I'm ashamed that a Republican Senator was whimpering on the floor of the US Senate--and over nothing, over the appointment of a good man with strength and integrity. His # is [phone] What a big, baby--and worse, the whole thing sounded fake, phony, like he was trying to act up there. Get rid of this sob sister on principle."


"A crying jag on the floor of the Senate, broadcast and recorded for posterity. He's finished in the next election. For now, he's just an embarassment."

[Joey Liberal]

180. Brit "Twilight Zone" Hume is a worthless sack of shit n/t

[Joey Liberal]

179. I hope he keeps on crying, because.............

His republican party is out to ruin this once great country.

[rniel]

185. I heard that on NPR

I assumed this was a democrat they were talking about.

[wiggs]

188. I heard it on Franken today....EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES

....astonishing and heartfelt.

Not only did he speak very emotionally about how much Bolton in the UN scares him, but he uttered twice what should be leading headlines in newspapers and Yahoo News: "THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES."

[BrklynLiberal]

189. Why didn't he kill the Bolton thing in Committee and end the agony when

he had the chance to show some real courage?

[demo dutch]

191. Because he's playing two sides!

[mom cat]

190. He had his chance to stop Bolton and refused to do so. His tears

are too late.

[MojoXN]

194. On the bright side...

It is quite possible that his emotional display will serve as the catalyst for moderate Republicans, few that there are, to uniformly reject John Bolton for any sort of official position, from mustachioed-douchebag-in-chief to U.N. Ambassador. As FOX has been losing clout, I expect that the usual Rightist jeer session will have less impact than it traditionally has exercised in the past. Hold out hope people... There's still quite a while between now and Jan. 20, 2008. With the way Republicans are starting to dissolve their solidarity, it shouldn't be too terribly long before we see an impeachment or three. Who knows if Voinovich will be the first of many? Just remember, the oppressive monolith that was Nixonco. went down over a fourth-rate burglary! The present Senatorial antics offer far better odds, in my estimation.

MojoXN