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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:02 PM
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"tax payers who are pro-life should not have to pay
for stem cell research" - someone was saying as I was watching CNN earlier this afternoon - on Blitzer's show.

Oh yeah? And I should not have to pay for giving tax breaks to the wealthy; for helping pharmaceuticals while so many cannot afford health care; for throwing so much money at Iraq, for giving tax breaks to churches that practice against our democratic values...

and the list goes on
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:03 PM
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1. So, the next Civil War will be tax protests on both sides.
Should get interesting.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:07 PM
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2. Well, whoever said that should become a tax protestor...
like "war tax' protestors have been doing for years.

It's not cheap, and it's not easy, but if you truly believe, you will put up or shut up.

Or, you could just bloviate on TV and think of yourself as a hero.



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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:08 PM
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3. Taxpayers who are prolife should not have to pay for the MILITARY
or for prisons in states that use the death penalty.

Let's get clear on what pro life MEANS.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:31 AM
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22. Exactly. Their "prolife" refers only to aggregate of cells n/t
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:12 PM
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4. Ok, as long as they sign a waiver agreeing
that they and their families are ineligible for any treatments involving Stem Cell Research.




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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:39 PM
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9. Exactly
I hope no one in their family ever develops Parkinson's or needs an organ transplant. If so, they should have to pay their back taxes, plus any accrued penalties and interest and a stupidity fine before receiving any treatment.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:48 PM
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11. I'm not as charitable as you
My motto on this score .... fuck 'em
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:12 PM
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5. Tax Payers who are Anti-.......
Corporate Welfare shouldn't have to fund it.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:21 PM
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6. I should not have to pay for WAR.
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kimpossible Donating Member (785 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:33 PM
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7. I'm not pro-fake-news, why should I have to pay for it?
Or for, oh, say, unnecessary wars for that matter?
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:36 PM
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8. So, as a pacifist, I get my share of military spending back?
The prolifers would get about $0.03 back each year. I'd get more than half my federal withholdings back. Sounds like a good deal to me!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:42 PM
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10. Was Mike Pence, from Indiana (found the transcript)
REP. MIKE PENCE (R), INDIANA: It's morally wrong to take the tax dollars of millions of pro-life Americans, who believe as I do that human life is sacred, and use it to fund the destruction of human embryos for research.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0505/24/wbr.01.html

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:50 PM
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12. Mike Pence
Edited on Tue May-24-05 11:51 PM by Husb2Sparkly


Boyishly handsome
Nice Smile
Great prematurely gray hair
Little dick
No brains

Hey Mike .... fuck you.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:30 PM
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28. I would add...
Politically ambitious
Tiny heart
Lips made for kissing Christian Right-Wing behind

(And yesterday I sent him an e-mail to that effect.)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 11:51 PM
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13. So we don't have to pay for war? Yippee! n/t
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elsiesummers Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:03 AM
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14. Yeah and young shouldn't pay for old, childless for schools, car drivers
for bike paths, only crime victims should fund prisons...I mean if we all only paid taxes for the stuff we agree with, well then lets just cancel the government (so much for representatives and majority rule) and civilization - shut it down, you know?

I saw him saying that bit on the News Hour (Jessie Helms used to say that about the National Endowment for the Arts.)

These guys say a lot of dumb crap, don't they?

Biotech is gonna head overseas and the US is going to be unable to compete because of regulations restricting business in the US. Maybe there will be a rift between the theocrats and the corporatists...
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:33 AM
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23. Just plain hypocrites. Did you know that Jesse Helms actually supported
stem cell research? Why? Because someone in his family suffered from diabetes.
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elsiesummers Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:18 PM
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26. The what's-in-it-for-me guide to taxation.
Jessie Helms must have been having some late in life (fear of meeting his maker?) qualms because he started supporting help to fight AIDS in Africa.

Wonder if anyone ever suggested to him he was too far gone to make ammends...
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:33 PM
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29. Right-wingers only "get it" when they are directly affected. n/t
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:36 AM
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15. Fine, we'll just check the box on our tax returns
Of course it's ludicrous for "embryo supremacist" taxpayers to argue that they should have a veto over the expanditure of their tax payments. But it's even more ridiculous that they should insist on having a veto over spending the taxes paid by people who support stem cells research.

Here's a thought -- let's allow taxpayers to check the box on their tax returns. People who don't want any of their taxes to go toward embryonic stem cell research would leave the box unchecked. Those who support emryonic stem cell reserach would check the box. Spending on the research would come out of a trust fund that holds a portion of the tax revenues paid by those who support stem cell research.

Problem solved.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:37 AM
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24. Not good enough. Why boxes only for embryonic cell research?
Why not for war, for death penalty, for schools, welfare, highways and trains?

And if one refuses to support any of these items, will he then be allowed to change his mind - once he does need these services but now with lower taxable income?
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 01:59 AM
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16. Does anyone had this assholes email address? Lets all write him with
all the list we've talked about in this tread and send it off to him. This should shut the fucker up!
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 11:41 AM
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25. Here's his webpage
http://mikepence.house.gov/

Seems that in order to email him you have to be a constituents, the biggest assholes - like San Diego's Cunningham do this..
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:35 PM
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30. I e-mailed him yesterday and he's not my Rep. n/t
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jfern Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 03:44 AM
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17. I've got an idea
Let's give the "pro-life" people a tax cut for the portion of their taxes that go to abortion.

Then, let's hike their taxes by the amount that having that unwanted baby will cost society.

Needless to say, they're going to get soaked.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 03:47 AM
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18. I find the human rectum morally repugnant
therefore I don't want any of my money going to this President.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 07:35 AM
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19. If I can stop paying for war, we'll make a deal. n/t
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pilgrimsoul Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 09:05 AM
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20. I shouldn't have to pay for
fundie bullshit "faith-based" initiatives! Tell ya what, if my tax dollars don't have to go for that outrage anymore, yours won't have to go for stem cell research. Deal? I didn't think so. Hypocrites. <snort>
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 09:20 AM
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21. Yep. That's another one, too. n/t
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:24 PM
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27. I think that would be a pretty good deal... eom
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-05 12:41 PM
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31. I would prefer that my tax dollars not subsidize churches...
which they do, because of churches' tax-exempt status. Why are they allowed to keep that status when they actively try to sway politicians to vote against stem cell research?

It galls me that my tax dollars are supporting institutions that are working to keep my diabetic child (and others suffering from chronic illnesses) from a cure.
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