You won't believe this... I almost fainted!!

[MojoXN]

Check out this nonsense!

http://pptkids.org/index.php

I can't believe that anyone would go to these lengths to try and brainwash their kids! Your tax dollars at work, presumably. Oy Vey! What next, "GWB Peace Force Good Guy action figureine, with evil-doer-slaying laser goggles?"

MojoXN

[berni_mccoy]

1. Uh..mm..ag

:puke:

[Redstone]

2. Un. Fucking. Believable.

Anyone who subjects their kids to this should have their parental rights terminated.

Redstone

[Sannum]

3. The Hitler Youth are alive and well.

[Windy]

4. frightening!

[Richard D]

5. That is totally

horrible. Simply disgusting. Just about losing my breakfast.

[POAS]

6. Who the heaven is prayi....er...paying for this stuff?

[CatholicEdHead]

7. Barf

it got worse down the page when they want kids to pray for the head of the ATF and Office of Drug Control Policy. Those were poor choices for pics, even though they are probably the offical ones.

[Paranoid_Portlander]

27. ...and to pray for the Drug Czar personally...

... in the same paragraph as the ONDCP. "As you pray for John Walters, remember to ask God to give him great wisdom, to help him in his daily work, and pray that God will work to defeat all the forms of evil that make people turn to drugs."...................................................................I need something to relieve the PAIN!

[MojoXN]

8. Come to think of it...

If this is Federally funded, it would appear to be a clear-cut violation of the prohibition against governmental endorsement of a specific faith. There are several Bible verses, and I sure as hell didn't see even a wee snippet of Qu'ranic verse or Bhagavad Gita. I would welcome input from anyone who is more well-versed in Constitutional Law than I.

MojoXN

[TomInTib]

9. I really mess with these guys

When the PPT (Presidential Prayer Team- the grownup version) offers premiums- dog tags, caps, mugs, etc., I actually order them. They ask for "donations" of $25, $50 and up and I pledge $1 and get my stuff every time. To undestand the enemy and seee just howw wacked they can be this site is worth an occasional look (aaaack!)

[Bucky]

10. You faint too easy.

Almost certainly there's no use of tax dollars at work in this stupidity. It's still stupid, but private sector stupidity is protected by the First Amendment.

[pnorman]

11. There should be several more such webpages.

One for Christians, one for Protestants, one for Mormons, and one for Christ-killers. And that's just for starters. I see it's an .org rather than a .gov website, so it presumably is NOT on the Taxpayer Dime. Perhaps.

pnorman

[Horse with no Name]

12. I wonder who is responsible for this site

Disclaimer:

The Presidential Prayer Team for Kids is a division of The Presidential Prayer Team (www.presidentialprayerteam.org), a nonprofit, charitable organization. The Presidential Prayer Team is not affiliated with, nor does it receive funding from, any political party or office of the government

Yet, the Presidential seal is on the top?

Can anyone that knows how to do these things find out who owns this website?

Might be interesting to....follow the money.

[MojoXN]

13. Well, for starters...

WHOIS: 

Domain ID:D75294890-LROR
Domain Name:PRESIDENTIALPRAYERTEAM.ORG
Created On:24-Jul-2001 00:07:13 UTC
Last Updated On:24-Dec-2003 00:02:50 UTC
Expiration Date:24-Jul-2005 00:07:13 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:DSTR Holdings, Inc. (R34-LROR)
Status:OK
Registrant ID:DOTR-01065673
Registrant Name:John Lind
Registrant Organization:Presidential Prayer Team, Inc.
Registrant Street1:14500 N. Northsight Blvd., Suite 217
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Scottsdale
Registrant State/Province:AZ
Registrant Postal Code:85260
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:[phone]
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:[phone]
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:[e-mail]
Admin ID:DOTC-03531612
Admin Name:John Lind
Admin Organization:Presidential Prayer Team, Inc.
Admin Street1:14500 N. Northsight Blvd., Suite 217
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Scottsdale
Admin State/Province:AZ
Admin Postal Code:85260
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:[phone]
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:[phone]
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:[e-mail]
Tech ID:DOTC-03531612
Tech Name:John Lind
Tech Organization:Presidential Prayer Team, Inc.
Tech Street1:14500 N. Northsight Blvd., Suite 217
Tech Street2:
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Scottsdale
Tech State/Province:AZ
Tech Postal Code:85260
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:[phone]
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:[phone]
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:[e-mail]
Name Server:NS1.CONTACTDESIGNS.NET
Name Server:NS2.CONTACTDESIGNS.

[MojoXN]

14. Photo

http://www.cbn.com/700club/guests/bios/john_lind_081804.asp



President & CEO, The Presidential Prayer Team, since 2002

1998, Chief Development Officer for ChildHelp

1995, Regional Development Manager for PromiseKeepers

Worked 17 years as a volunteer

full-time staff with Youth for Christ - positions included Club Director, Ministry and Executive Director

Education: B.S. in Psychology in 1983, University of Oregon

Married to Marlene 22 years, 3 sons.


NPR Fresh Air interview:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4116619

This guy is a Repub prayin' machine! He's a-prayin' fer all dem dere Godly Dubyites! Prayse Jaysus!

[ProudDad]

24. Non-partisan, eh...

"A non-partisan, non-denominational effort, it exists in perpetuity for whomever occupies the Oval Office."

How much you want to bet this site'll be kept up if Hillary got in...:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

15. Did you notice the linguistic blasphemy?

They capitalized "his" in reference to...

Bunnypants.

There's a nother post on this in the Lounge.

[classof56]

21. I think that meant "help the Prez w/His (God's wisdom)"

At the end of the site they reference Bible verses that talk about praying for the leaders of our country. Gee...ya think they ever did that during the Clinton years? Just a wild guess, but I'd say no. Shame on these people for being so blatantly obvous and leading kids down this ugly path. I constantly shudder at the damage they are doing to the gospel of Christ, who they claim is their Lord and Saviour. He must be weeping!

Thanks for the ref to the other post in the Lounge. I'll check it out.

Tired Old Cynic

[Mika]

16. I wonder if they pray for the draft?

Or pray for the strength to join the military?

[mhr]

17. Dominionism's Little Republicans

When will the Democrats finally realize that we are under attack by a real and present danger.

[Kipling]

18. "Ask God to help the president with his wisdom"...

it's not coming along too well.

[Al-CIAda]

19. Good 'God'! This country's decent into lunacy is going quicker than

anticipated.


:silly:

I agree, this can't be legal, can it?

[cascadiance]

20. Well, maybe this will be our future map of the *near* future after all!

[Hippo_Tron]

22. I wonder what they would've prayed for if Kerry had won

[tulsakatz]

23. kids

yeah, propoganda works best on the very young!! Before their brains have a chance to develop......

[demwing]

25. What's wrong with encouraging kids to pray?

especially for peace? Does prayer hurt? Does it corrupt?

BTW - "The Presidential Prayer Team for Kids is a division of The Presidential Prayer Team (www.presidentialprayerteam.org), a nonprofit, charitable organization. The Presidential Prayer Team is not affiliated with, nor does it receive funding from, any political party or office of the government."

So no, my tax dollars are not involved. Flame bait.

[MojoXN]

28. What's wrong with encouraging kids to pray?

It does hurt, because it teaches kids that they are not really in control of their lives, a mythical wonder-God with a chess-player plan for everyone and everything is. It also teaches kids that the best way to effect change in the world is by offering magical incantations to God, rather than working on their own behalf to improve the world. By getting kids hooked on the prayer thing, it becomes much eaiser to convince them that Party X is "performing God's Will" when they are older. Finally, I would submit that offering praise and blessings on those who have done so much harm to their fellow man, i.e. Bush and Co., teaches kids that it's A-OK to do terrible, unspeakable things, as long as you ask for forgiveness from said mythical chess-player God. Would you consider praying for Osama Bin Laden? Just for the record, it's NOT OK to do evil, and I highly doubt that forgiveness is given out as readily as "W04" stickers are. I am not an atheist or agnostic; I have my own personal theology, but unlike these evangelical individuals, I make every effort to keep it to myself.

And as far as the tax-dollars thing, I freely admit that I stand corrected. This is a privately funded overzealous enterprise.

[demwing]

30. I don't care about your personal faith

in the sense that it doesn't mater to me if you have faith in a God or not.

But all of your assumptions of prayer being harmful are predicated by your assumption that there is no God, that religion is myth and prayer is magic, and that belief in a God equates to mental slavery.

Of course you know that just because YOU believe such things does not make them true.

And the way that your present your ideas...its seems as if you are just a flame looking to ignite the fire.

I say you have some serious anti-religion issues to work through. So much hatred is not healthy.

[imax2268]

26. that's

fucking scary...

[MAlibdem]

29. Read the fine print:

"Presented by the sustaining partners of The Presidential Prayer Team.
© Copyright 2005 The Presidential Prayer Team, Inc.

INTERNET SECURITY NOTICE: For your safety, The Presidential Prayer Team for Kids will never phone or initiate personal correspondence. If anyone saying they are from The Presidential Prayer Kids contacts you (other than to respond to your question or request or to send you birthday greetings or updates), please tell your parents or the authorities. Never give your address, phone number or personal information to anyone you don't know (or anyone else on the Internet). Membership is free and members' names and email addresses will never be shared with any other entity or individual.

The Presidential Prayer Team for Kids is a division of The Presidential Prayer Team (www.presidentialprayerteam.org), a nonprofit, charitable organization. The Presidential Prayer Team is not affiliated with, nor does it receive funding from, any political party or office of the government. "


Nothing wrong with that. Not my cup of tea, but not particularly offensive.