Howard Dean misspeaks, hold on to your hats, here we go

[LosinIt]

He said that Osama Bin Laden and meant Saddam Hussein. Of course Russert didn't correct him.

He said that Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11.

The Republicans are gonna have a field day with this one.

[tinanator]

1. why? what evidence is there that OBL had anything to do with it?

Help me out here, if you dont mind.

[asthmaticeog]

2. .

:popcorn:

[yella_dawg]

4. You didn't see the White Paper the government produced

to showcase the evidence? Remember, the one that would be out any day to justify invading Afghanistan?

Oh yeah. They never released it, did they?

[nine30]

42. Rush will call it a 'Freudian slip' tomorrow..

I am bracing myself.

Why the Fuck did Russert not correct him ???

[LosinIt]

6. he was clearly talking about Saddam

and the justification for going into Iraq. I'm not awake enough to get into the entire OBL/911 thing.

[quaoar]

7. He's admitted it

[tinanator]

54. youre kidding?

he's that stupid?

[Chicago Democrat]

68. kik

[DemBones DemBones]

32. What, you didn't see the tape with Fat Osama and the Crippled Sheik?

:shrug:

[rocktivity]

34. Ah, yes--I remember Fat Osama well

:headbang:
rocknation

[JRob]

49. EXACTLY ! Didn't Powell promise "white papers" supporting allegations

[gulliver]

3. Let's see if Dean's staff tells him about it over the break.

Maybe they will let him know he misspoke and he will clarify. Totally unconscionable of Russert not to correct him.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

18. Russert Revealed

This is more of an insight into Russert more than anyone.
Dean OBVIOUSLY mispoke - "as the 9/11 Commision concluded that Osama Ben Ladin had no role . .. blah, blah, blah . .."

Russert consciously let him mispeak in about 2 more sentences with the same insertion of OBL when Dean meant to say Saddam Hussein. (Thank God Dean ended witht the word IRAQ.) Russert nerver followed up with what you would think would be just good journalism if Dean was truly making the HUGE NEW observation that he did not believe OBL was involved in 9/11.

I think Russert knew what he was doing. He denied Dean the opportunity to make a quick correction immediately. This clip will be played over and over by those who love to knowingly distort the news and create their own reality. RUSSERT REVEALED.

[demo dutch]

19. Can't stand Russert, he kept trying to steer the conversation so

Dean ends up talking about himself instead of the issues!!!

[okieinpain]

38. yes, you're correct the sentence will help soften the blow, but

I expect the drudge report header any second now. "dean says osama is innocent".

[Wright Patman]

5. Dean doesn't know it

but he "misspoke" the truth.

No one who has examined the evidence or lack thereof for more than a day or two can any longer come to the conclusion that bin Laden had anything to do with it. It takes a desperate belief in the concept that "we are the good guys" and "our government would never do this to us" to cling to the official story. The people who cling to it remind me of those few remaining folks who believe "Oswald acted alone."

My view is that bin Laden has always been the "Emmanuel Goldstein" of the neocons. He plays his role very well. The CIA station chief probably discussed with him what to do and say after the MIHOP occurred when he met with him in his hospital room at the American Hospital in Dubai in the summer of 2001.

Bin Laden's so-called "organization" can be more aptly called "Al-CIAda."

[demo dutch]

21. It was so obvious that he misspoke, that I almost didnt notice it!

[Lex]

26. I didn't catch it and

I bet Russert didn't either.

[zulchzulu]

8. Actually, it is hard to believe Osama was really responsible for 911 if...

... you look at the "facts".

From: http://www.media-criticism.com/911_Theory_10_2003.html

Let’s return to the official story of 911, with some critical words added. Osama bin Laden, a kidney patient in need of dialysis, is living in a cave or a hovel in Afghanistan. Presumably, he has a cell phone. He uses it to coordinate acts of terrorism utilizing 19 hijackers in the US. They have been living in the US in order to learn how to fly jets into buildings. (Apparently it would be impossible for them to learn to fly in their home countries.) The hijackers did not resort to using aliases; they openly registered for flying lessons and paid their bills with their credit cards. None of the hijackers rated high enough to fly a Cessna solo. However, when they hear Osama bin Laden’s voice echoing from his cave each is willing to dramatically elevate their skills in order to die for him.

The hijackers put their plan in motion. Alleged ringleader Mohammed Atta, a devout Muslim with a recent penchant for lap dances at strip clubs, leaves his copy of the Koran at the bar he drinks alcohol at on the evening of September 10th. He drove to Portland, Maine so that he could take a connecting flight to Boston the next morning. (Using connecting flights is the method of choice for airline terrorists using precise time-tables.)

The next day several of the hijackers feel compelled to bring to the airport flight manuals in Arabic which are left in the parked cars. Curiously, they also manage to elude every airport security camera. (No airport video or photos will be published showing them at their final airports.) Also, the hijackers manage to avoid appearing on the flight lists the airlines produced immediately after the major events were finished. Finally, as mentioned above several of the hijackers will actually turn up alive after September 11.

With the planes in flight the hijackers use concealed box cutters and knives to overwhelm the crew and passengers of four airlines. Outside of September 11, 2001, no hijacking has ever been attempted with box cutters. However, the hijackers were so confident in them they apparently had no other backup plan.

The point is that we've all gotten used to the "theory" without really looking at the absolute impossibility that such events leading up to 911 were so perfectly executed.

Yes, Howard mispoke...just like many other guests have in the past on Meet The Russert...but maybe he was driving another point too.

[GoBlue]

11. Tin-foil firmly in place...

It wouldn't surprise me anymore if we somehow discover that OBL has been dead since before 9/11. eom

[Catchawave]

35. Even with a 25 million dollar "bounty" on his head......

I've often wondered the same thing.

[XemaSab]

63. Also,

the amount of shit from the hijackers that they managed to "find" in the planes. Maybe they've backed off of this, but seriously, airplane parts, body parts, and building parts are all melted together and they manage to "find" their passports and luggage?

[BrklynLiberal]

9. Well. let's see, who did we invade, and who do we have in custody, and who

is still free, and never mentioned anymore? DUH?

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Oh please

Everybody knew what he meant.

Anyone who criticizes him for it will look like a fool.

What is with the chicken-without-a-head number that sometimes breaks out on this board over the most trivial things?

[emulatorloo]

12. Did you forget the last election and all those Rove ads

featuring hideously out-of-context quotes from John Kerry?

I agree, not a big deal, but Repugs will exploit, it is part of their nasty nature.

[gulliver]

14. It was a big mistake, and he repeated it about three times.

I like the job he is doing in the rest of the interview, but he could seriously confuse some listeners by repeatedly saying Osama had nothing to do with 9/11. Everybody did not know what he meant, unfortunately. We have a lot of idiots out there who still think Saddam was implicated in 9/11. Now they are chortling in their idiot way that the Democrat leader doesn't even think that Osama was involved.

[LosinIt]

15. Excuse Me!! This chicken does have her head firmly in place.

I'll bet we hear this sound bite on the right-wing spin machine. And of course they will look like fools. Unfortunately not everyone seems to notice.

[slor]

13. Well he needs to have a response ready for...

the right wing noise machine. Something along the lines of, "this just goes to show how effective the bush administration has distorted the facts and confused the 2 men, in order to go to war in Iraq".

[NYCGirl]

16. And here's the best way to correct that. Send out a press release saying,

"Excuse me, I, of course, meant Osama Bin Laden. He's the one we haven't caught yet."

[July]

25. "Oops, I misspoke."

Works for Bush all the time.

Maybe it should be, "Oops, I misspoke, like George Bush did when he said, 'I have no war plans on my desk.'"

[XemaSab]

64. Or the "youthful indescretion"

that one works for bush too.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

17. How is it going otherwise?

we don't get it until 10:00. Is it worth watching, or will I just be pissed off????

[demo dutch]

20. It's worth it, you'll just be pissed off at Russert, trying to steer the

conversation so Dean ends up having to talk about thimself several times instead of issues, but he did well in my view.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

22. Tempest, meet Teapot.

:eyes:

[LuPeRcALiO]

23. haven't seen it yet but it shouldn't be a problem

most fumbles like that don't go far. Possibly a joke on a radio show but does Limberger even get up this early?

[Bucky]

31. Yeh, like Rush does his own oppo-research

The point of the echo chamber is that, if you just repeat what all the other right wingers are saying, you don't have to think for yourself. Thinking for yourself is, in fact, dangerous to the current political order.

[LuPeRcALiO]

39. well they cut that part out of the west coast broadcast anyway,

or maybe I just missed it, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Dean did a pretty creditable job all in all.

[Connie_Corleone]

24. Russert knew what he was doing.

He could've interrupted Dean and corrected him, but he let him go on and on repeating the mistake 2 or 3 times.

It wouldn't surprise me if the right-wingers used this later today and tomorrow.

[welshTerrier2]

27. i thought the interview stunk

Dean did fine but Russert focussed on the most nit-picky nonsense ... his whole interview was a game of gotcha ...

what about the UK memo? what about Galloway's testimony? what about Ted Kennedy's call for a withdrawal timetable? what about a million dead Iraqis, mostly children, caused by the oil for food program? what about Chalabi as a bush puppet in charge of Iraq's oil? what about attacking Iran and Syria? what about the total failure by the US to begin reconstruction in Iraq? nothing ... just nothing ...

on abortion, Dean did a good job showing how he thinks Democrats should reframe the issue ... but Russert should have pinned him down by asking him to comment on Bob Casey's candidacy in PA ... Casey is not for "individual choice instead of letting politicians decide" ... Dean should have been asked about that but all Russert wanted to do was play gotcha ...

and both of them should have done a much better job teaching the public of exactly what kind of radical judges are being blocked ... explain their specific positions ... when we play on the turf of "up or down votes", we give away the home field advantage ...

again, Dean did fine and Russert's interview was a shallow hack job ... i had hoped for much more from this interview than we got ...

[zoeb]

28. yeah, but he trashed Delay and that's priceless! eom

[mandomom]

29. Go Howard

Howard did not misspeak when he said, "I believe it is inappropriate for Tom Delay to be in Congress." Well said, well spoken. And EVERYONE misspeaks between Bin Laden and Hussein, Iraq and Iran. It's all part of the disrespect by Republicans for niceties like factual accuracy.

[Upfront]

30. Mis-Spoke

He did, but later it came up again and Dean got it right, said Saddam.

[rocktivity]

33. No prob--all Dean has to do is counter-charge

that Russert deliberately didn't correct him in an effort to deliberately embarass him. Maybe he did that on purpose, hee hee!

:headbang:
rocknation

[shance]

41. Great point Nation.

n/t

[KittyWampus]

36. #1Dean Can Ruefully Laugh & Say "SEE, Bush Twisted Truth So Even I

get the names incorrect.

#2 Dean can just say "I mispoke and was clearly referring to Iraq".

People like my Father LIKE Dean and other politicians who ADMIT making a mistake and are willing to say so and move on.

[hollowdweller]

37. I think Dean did a GREAT job on MTP. Solid gold.

With the exception of the mispeaking he laid out all the good points.

Democrats are for individual liberty and don't want the right wing conservatives telling them what to do.

He hammered the GOP on the deficit and how it is hurting ordinary Americans.

He was really good at showing how unethical the GOP is with regard to the Delay issue, the Mercury issue, the Intelligence leading up to the War.

He framed the abortion debate in a VERY good way and a way that could WIN for us.

He used the Limbaugh quote as an excuse to show the Republicans as hypocrites, and to once again list their transgressions.

I think it was one of his stronger appearances I have seen.

[zulchzulu]

40. After watching...Dean mentions Iraq in the next sentence...so...

...if the Rethugs want to play that game, we have plenty of Bush quotes to bring up:

"September the 4th, 2001, I stood in the ruins of the Twin Towers. It's a day I will never forget.
— George W. Bush, Evesham Recreation Center, Marlton, New Jersey., Oct. 16, 2004

"After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain we will not have an all-volunteer army."
— George W. Bush, Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004

"I heard there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft."
— George W. Bush, second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

"What my worry is is that, you know, it looks like it's from Canada, and it might be from a third world. "
— George W. Bush, St. Louis, MO, Oct. 8, 2004

"Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."
— George W. Bush, Poplar Bluff, MO, Sept. 6, 2004 (See Windows Media video)

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
— George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

"I hope you leave here and walk out and say, 'What did he say?'"
— George W. Bush, Beaverton, Oregon, Aug. 13, 2004

"I want to thank my friend, Senator Bill Frist, for joining us today. You're doing a heck of a job. You cut your teeth here, right? That's where you started practicing? That's good. He married a Texas girl, I want you to know. Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me."
— George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., May 27, 2004

"So community colleges are accessible, they're available, they're affordable, and their curriculums don't get stuck. In other words, if there's a need for a certain kind of worker, I presume your curriculums evolved over time."
— George W. Bush, Niceville, Fla., Aug. 10, 2004

"Let me put it to you bluntly. In a changing world, we want more people to have control over your own life."
— George W. Bush, Annandale, Va, Aug. 9, 2004

"As you know, we don't have relationships with Iran. I mean, that's ๓ ever since the late '70s, we have no contacts with them, and we've totally sanctioned them. In other words, there's no sanctions ๓ you can't ๓ we're out of sanctions."
— George W. Bush, Annandale, Va, Aug. 9, 2004

"I cut the taxes on everybody. I didn't cut them. The Congress cut them. I asked them to cut them."
— George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

"I wish I wasn't the war president. Who in the heck wants to be a war president? I don't."
— George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004

"And I am an optimistic person. I guess if you want to try to find something to be pessimistic about, you can find it, no matter how hard you look, you know?"
— George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 15, 2004

"Like you, I have been disgraced about what I've seen on TV that took place in prison."
— George W. Bush, Parkersburg, West Virginia, May 13, 2004

[XemaSab]

65. Bush to Kerry in the first debate:

"I won't hold it against him that he went to Yale."

[Dr Fate]

43. Yeah and he "accidently" failed to bring up the UK Memo too.

We have got Bush right where we want him on this one.

[shance]

44. How do we know Osama did have anything to do with 9/11?

Governor Dean misspoke, however what he said I believe is probably true.

Let's be honest.

How do we honestly even know Osama was guilty?

From a press that has essentially lied and suppressed essentially every other element of 9/11 from Americans? How can we cherry pick what they tell us is true and what is not true?

Why did they immediately blame Osama practically right after the planes hit?

I remember thinking how distorted and manufactured it all seemed, even at the time, it was if there was a campaign to create a guilty party.

Perhaps Osama Bin Laden is in fact guilty, the question is, after we have been lied to repeatedly, how can we trust that Osama Bin Laden is the culprit?

Because the White House told us he is?

How do we not know he's another scape goat coming from this Administration to deflect and project blame elsewhere?

Remember how Conservatives immediately tried to blame Muslims for Oklahoma right out of the schute?

I think most Americans are more concerned with how much was our own government responsible. Why has the Administration blocked a real investigation every step of the way? What was the poll taken that over 50% of New Yorkers felt our government was complicit and involved?

[realFedUp]

45. Dean will never please everyone at DU

It's always been clear that some here
will never cut the guy a break over minor
slips and his larger points disregarded...

Bush intentionally lies every single
day to Americans and his ability to put two
sentences together is sorry at best, but
the guy gets a break daily from media and
political critics alike.

I don't think this thread was helpful
or good intentioned.

If you do want to make helpful comments on MTP and
Dean's appearance you can do that here:
http://www.democrats.org/action/200505200001.html?psc=redir

[Cha]

46. Thanks for the link, realfedup!

I think it is important for Dems to get the message to Dean how they feel about what he's saying and not just on DU.

[gulliver]

48. Dean will probably kick himself when he finds out what he did.

Sure, it could redound to his favor if the press goes after Dean, and he is able to promote the fact that Bush misled the country on the Saddam-9/11 link. However, you can bet Dean himself is disappointed with this one mistake he made today on MTP.

We still love him, but he did mess up. I don't see the benefit in ignoring that. He won't. His enemies won't.

[saltpoint]

47. Let us then have the news networks and cable news people run a --

-- week-long expose' on the number of times Bush has misspoken or overtly lied.

Dean's very rare verbal stumbles are dwarfed by the number of times he nails it just right.

No one could say that about Dubya.

[JaneQPublic]

50. And Russet said "President Clinton" when he meant "President Bush"...

...in the first few minutes of the show.

And Chimpy mispeaks almost every time he opens his mouth. In fact, I recall him confusing Bid Laden and Hussein during one of the 2004 debates.

If the repukes try to "have a field day" with Dean's mixup, that's one can of worms we should be glad they opened.

[kentuck]

51. You mean they are not the same person?

Nobody will notice. They haven't up to now.

[Cha]

52. timmy certainly didn't notice.

And he's the moderator asking the questions.

[Chicago Democrat]

53. Oh dear... He quoted the Bible SO ineptly! He said "we shouldn't

engage in MORAL criticism"!



Oh dear.....




F-




Sorry Howard. Howard blew it.

[Chicago Democrat]

55. Here's my freindly letter to Howard Dean.

Maybe the interview would have been better if Howard did fricking more of them! Howard Dean, your only job is to be on TV. You will be on TV all week this week repairing this disaster. USE THIS TIME! I have been DESPERATE to hear from my hero. Leave him alone you DNC playing to the center types! Be yourself Howard. I cannot believe they made you backpeddle on Delay. God Bless Barney Frank, but screw him! Go for gold. Be pround you are not religious; talk about the facts. WHAT ABOUT IRAQ!?????THE DOWNING STREET MEMO! GALLOWAY. Etc.

[TheWebHead]

56. And don't forget "moat" in the eye

when he should have said speck/log.. He made that gaffe twice too, which the religious base he said he's trying to court will mock. I've never been much of a Dean fan and slammed his gaffes at the time of the DNC chair race, but was in very small company here.

[XemaSab]

66. King James says mote and beam

n/t

[Dawgs]

57. Freepers were watching... way to go Dean...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1408205/posts

[lyonn]

58. Dean speaks too clearly

We all know exactly what he said, he doesn't fill up time with platitudes so it's easy to pick small parts of what he says apart. IF ONLY they would do the same for Bush and his crowd. If words misspoken would cause a politician his job George would be outa work!

[Skwmom]

59. Russert mispoke in his FIRST question.

Big deal.

[spooked911]

60. Dean let the truth slip out!

[Chicago Democrat]

61. hehe

maybe so

[snowbear]

62. Remember when Bush MIS-SPOKE in the first debate?

I do. And no one made a big deal about it later. The media didn't cover it, and it was non-news.

So if Howard Dean inadvertantly misspoke, so what? Bush and Kerry in the first debate:

Bush ...."Never wanted to commit troops. When I was running -- when we had the debate in 2000, never dreamt I'd be doing that.

But the enemy attacked us, Jim, and I have a solemn duty to protect the American people, to do everything I can to protect us."

Kerry ..."Jim, the president just said something extraordinarily revealing and frankly very important in this debate. In answer to your question about Iraq and sending people into Iraq, he just said, "The enemy attacked us."

Saddam Hussein didn't attack us. Osama bin Laden attacked us. Al Qaida attacked us. And when we had Osama bin Laden cornered in the mountains of Tora Bora, 1,000 of his cohorts with him in those mountains. With the American military forces nearby and in the field, we didn't use the best trained troops in the world to go kill the world's number one criminal and terrorist.

They outsourced the job to Afghan warlords, who only a week earlier had been on the other side fighting against us, neither of whom trusted each other.

That's the enemy that attacked us. That's the enemy that was allowed to walk out of those mountains. That's the enemy that is now in 60 countries, with stronger recruits."

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html

Unfortunately, the site scrubs many of Bush's misquotes and corrects them. For example, when Bush says "you cannot lead, if you send mexed missages" (then corrects himself) they only put his corrected version in the transcription.

Of course, if you can still go to Google, type in: mexed missages and hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button if you have an urge to hear him say that in the first debate.

:rofl:

[Generic Guy]

67. He is right

Even if it was a mistake. OBL more than likely had nothing to do with 9-11 it was bush and his cronies who did it.