Hillary vs. Frist or Allen

[zulchzulu]

Novak The Traitor has come to the conclusion that Hillary is the sure shot nominee for 2008. He goes to say:

"...Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York is an absolute lock for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination.

...Sen. George Allen of Virginia as having the edge over Sen. Bill Frist of Tennessee. The consensus among them is that Allen is a better candidate than Frist and will the advantage over him in GOP primaries. The House members see little or no prospect for former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Sen. John McCain of Arizona or Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney."

So who would win? Yes, it's early, but why the hell would Novak The Traitor be so certain about this scenario?

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20050514.shtml

[elfin]

1. She MIGHT squeak by Frist or Allen

if resentment against Fundies continues to grow to the point that "real" repugs stay home - they woud never vote FOR her.

Against Hagel or McCain she is toast.

I hope she stays out just to save herself, us and the country from the vicious Hilary Haters who will have a field day with headline grabbing phony investigations and smears.

However, she WILL run as far as I am concerned.

[Democat]

2. Americans are not going to elect a woman president in 2008

The country is going backwards right now, how can anyone think that the same Americans that passed anti-gay bills all over the country are willing to elect a woman as president at this time in history?

Let's find a candidate who can win, not Hillary.

[IronLionZion]

10. Then let's draft Condi for the Republicans

that will really make them flip out! Or Kay Bailey Hutchison or Liddy Dole or any number of Republican women.

If we had Hillary vs. a woman in the general election, there would be riots. Wingnuts would start freaking out and hopefully move to Afghanistan or something! That would be so awesome.

[funflower]

22. Let's draft DeLay.

That'll get the center moving our way.

[aquart]

3. Novak is trying to raise funds for the extreme rightwing.

Hillary is their monster under the bed.

I doubt we'll run her.

[Clark2008]

4. I think it would be absolutely hilarious if the rightwing pounded the

drums for Hillary! for two years and then she decides not to run.
:rofl:

[bonzotex]

19. true

Mention Hillary and wingnuts start gibbering, foaming at the mouth and reaching for their checkbooks. Those that are too poor to write checks due to Repug Policies, will at least bother to vote against her.

Stay a Senator Mrs. Clinton, Please....

Novak is a POS, we should never care what he says except to do the opposite of whatever he thinks is right.

[TheFarseer]

5. if those are the choices

number 1: I'm moving to a different country

and number 2: the democrats will have lost another election and be stupidly looking around wondering what went wrong.

[zulchzulu]

6. Hillary would be a multi-base unifier to vote...

...for the Repugs.

Hillary running as President would join the various Repug camps that may be slightly skewed otherwise in 2008.

The Religious Reich would be all over getting ALL the votes they could. The anti-Clinton crowd (both Dems and Repugs) would join in. Hillary would be so demonized by not only being a woman but also having Bill Clinton on the TV with her.

Actually, with the lackluster pace that campaign finance and voter rights reform is going (as well as any new changes in verifiable electronic voting reform), we are going to lose to a Repug in 2008 ANYWAY.

Let's nominate Jesus. Even he would lose if he was a Democrat in 2008.

[TwentyFive]

7. Hillary would have had a better shot back in 1956 - USA more liberal then

I'm just kidding of course, but I do think the forces of regression have gotten louder and more shrill.

[IronLionZion]

8. Know who supports Hillary?

NEWT GINGRICH!!!!

That worthless shitstain has been working with her on legislation. That's enough to send liberals running away from her in droves.

She will lose miserably. That's why we need a good Democrat to challenge her in the primaries.

[skylarmae]

9. I just can't imaging what unrelenting hell the repukes would invoke

on a Hillary presidency. Does anyone actually believe that if she were ever to win, the RWer's wouldn't reign down investigations, house and senate blockage at every turn, and the ever nagging, 'is Bill really pulling the strings behind the scenes' accusations???

IMHO our Country is in need of a President not so loaded down with baggage that he/she will be able to accomplish what needs to be accomplished. The last couple of elections have proven that the repukes love being the 'kings of the cheap shot'!!! After 8 years of georgie porgie, do we really have the luxury of a 'time will tell' attitude???

[election_2004]

15. I fully agree!

That's what I'm trying to communicate to the potential Hillary supporters in my previous thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1785149

I truly believe that Hillary could be elected president, but with her election, we would see any hopes disintegrate miserably of the Democrats retaking the U.S. Senate majority.

[patricia92243]

11. Not sure the Republicans would want Allen> He is not playing ball the way

they want him to:

Senator George Allen (R-VA) on Meet the Press, May 1.
On private accounts, he suggested that AMERICANS MIGHT HAVE TO SELL THEIR HOMES TO SURVIVE IN RETIREMENT. But, that would be a good thing, because they wouldn't have to trim hedges and cut grass, he noted.

In fact, he was trying to reassure people who are uncomfortable about investing in the stock market with private accounts. So, he recognized that those who do, might reduce their retirement savings in the event of a market downturn. But, he thinks allowing your own home to be your investment would get around that. Although, IT WOULD FORCE YOU TO SELL IT WHEN YOU RETIRE IN ORDER TO FEED YOURSELF.
http://www.sundaymorningtalk.com/smt/2005/05/sen_allen_...

[Eloriel]

12. This is tiresome. WAKE UP, people -- they talk about Hillary

because they WANT her to be the nominee. She is THE most polarizing figure in existence, other than Bush himself and she's fabulous for fundraising.

She can't beat any of those idiots. She can't win. Hell, I'm not sure I'd vote for her.

[election_2004]

14. Exactly my point!

Exactly what I'm trying to emphasize to people on my earlier thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1785149

The only difference is that I believe Hillary WOULD win, and while she would appoint good people to the U.S. Supreme Court, her presidency would breed gridlock and ugliness in every other area of political life.

[Democat]

20. Why do so many high profile Republicans support Hillary's run?

Because she can't win.

Sorry.

[ChiciB1]

28. I AGREE...

Lets' get this message out.... NO HILLARY! If we nominate her we are just playing into their hands! The best thing that could happen would be that she NOT EVEN RUN!!!

[Rowdyboy]

13. I reject the premise that Hillary will run....I believe she will pledge

to serve a full six year term in the senate and then (shockingly) keep that promise. If I'm wrong and she runs, will she win the election? Doubtful. Too many independents have already formed a negative opinion, and and too many on the left resent her for

a) standing by her man, Bill
2) trying to appeal to the center

[sundancekid]

16. oldest rovian trick in the book: talk up an easy-pickens to pump up

during the run-up to any race, make sure he/she would unify entire nutwing to center repuke crowd,then drop kick him/her from the highest spire, and then, repeat -- and beat the snot out of the dems ...

hello, the pitter-patter you hear above is that left over from the Dean candidacy -- identical modus operandi, amplified scream and all -- and before we could literally take the next breath, Dean was fumigated...

2008 is not billary time or season ... she should, however, become a prominent Cabinet Secretary in the Dem administration of victory 2008!

[funflower]

21. They tried to do this w/ Dean in the 2004 primaries.

Every time I heard a repub hope his mouth, it was to say that Dean was a sure thing for the democratic nomination.

[longship]

17. Why Hillary?

Why all these polls with Hillary? What's wrong with people?

Don't we all know that the neonazis want Hillary as the candidate? Don't we know that they will move heaven and Hell to defeat her? Don't we all know that Hillary would be the biggest shot in the arm for the neonazis keeping--no, fortifying--their power?

It's just what the bad guys want, so stop with the Hillary crap. No self-respecting, thinking liberal wants Hillary Clinton to run for president.

[election_2004]

33. We know it.....

But do the likely Democratic primary voters who DON'T have access to Democratic Underground realize it?

Do the party elitists at the DLC/DNC realize it?

It's doubtful that they do...since the MSM has created this pervasive aura of "convention wisdom" that Hillary will win the 2008 primaries in a walk.

[iwantmycountryback]

18. It's funny how Republicans are so sure of what Democrats are going to do

They obviously strongly misunderestimate the number of candidates their may be and the diversity of opinion of the Democratic Party. Hell maybe they should do something crazy, and see who the actualy candidates might be before declaring the winner. It's called a Democratic process and I know how it can irk Republicans.

[IndianaGreen]

23. Hillary Clinton will beat any Republican that runs against her in 2008

She will win because she has placed herself solidly in the ideological middle, which is now in the same range where Eisenhower Republicans used to be.

There are things I could say about Hillary that I don't like, or that I disagreed with her in the past, but make no mistake about her, she will be a far tougher candidate than the ones that ran in 2000 and 2004. Hillary also carries no baggage about military service. No macho arguments about medals or ribbons, or National Guard.

Hillary is the closest thing we have to a Democratic Margaret Thatcher, and I will remind you that Thatcher changed British politics for an entire generation.

[election_2004]

32. So does that mean....???

That no one who cares about what happens in the 2008 Democratic primaries should even *TRY* to get someone better to run?

[IndianaGreen]

35. Bettter, we have plenty of, but winners, we haven't had one since Clinton

Support who you wish during the primaries, which should be fought hard and should be fair, assuming we ditch the stupid front loading of primaries, switch to regional primaries as the Michigan Democrats have proposed, and we get rid of the egotistical Iowa and New Hampshire as "first" in the nation.

When the smoke clears, it is my firm belief that Hillary will be the winner. When that times come, I am prepared to support her with all my might, despite my own misgivins about her, simply because we can ill afford 4-more years of the American Taliban.

[noonwitch]

24. I think she could beat Frist or Allen

Where she'd have trouble is with Rudy or McCain. People are going to be sick of Bush, especially once he gets done f-ing up social security. Frist or Allen could throw a lot of mud her way, but she will not be hesitant to throw it back, like Kerry and Gore were.

Plus, according to the freepers, she has all their FBI files, so she's got that going for her. (sarcasm).

[MaryBear]

25. Hillary would win against ANY Republican!

Poll is biased.

[tyedyeto]

26. Let's concentrate on taking back the Congress in 2006 first..

instead of speculating on a race 3 1/2 years from now! No one has even declared an intention of running for President in 2008. Taking back Congress should be our top priority at this time.

[ChiciB1]

27. I SURE HOPE Hillary Isn't Our Nominee....

And I also don't think George Allen will get anywhere! He's really a goof-ball, but then so are the rest of them! But Allen has some baggage and so does Frist. I can't remember what it was that Allen said, but it was pretty derogatory and will probably surface (I think) if he puts his foot in the water.

Frist and Allen are such RW's that I don't even think the idiots will take a chance on them.

And I think we can do a LOT better than Hillary. I'm for Edwards, he has a great message, he has ELIZABETH and he has LOCATION!!! While more to the right than me, I think he will make a fantastic candidate!

[ElectroPrincess]

30. I concur ...

I'm hoping for our present Virginia Governor, Mark R. Warner, to run for President. Yeah, he's moderate but not as hawkish as Senator Clinton.

He's a very personable individual and an honest uniter, i.e., gets the Dems and Reps to work together. Although Warner doesn't *shine* as much as Bill Clinton does, you also get an impression that he's a person of good moral character, i.e., has his libido under control. http://www.answers.com/topic/mark-r-warner

Gee, as pro women as I am, I'd be thrilled to see a woman in the White House. However, just as many African Americans don't claim Justice Thomas, I won't (as a woman) claim Hillary Clinton as a true role model.

Beyond all else, she hasn't a prayer with the Republican Noise machine fully operational for the next three years.

[yellowcanine]

29. I don't think George Allen would "wear well" on the national stage.

He is crude and rude and comes across as a "good old boy" wannabee with his cowboy boots and a confederate flag in his office. I think after 8 years of the shrub, people are going to be tired of that and ready for a little class in their president.

[ElectroPrincess]

31. U got that right ! :-)

But but but ... if George Allen only had Dubya's PEDIGREE, he'd be just perfect to serve as pResident?

Alas, it was not meant to be in this land of ever increasing nepotism and political dynasty. :P

[manly]

34. I haven't the slightese idea who'd win. n/t

[kwolf68]

36. WHY?

Has Hillary ever said she is running?

This has been something so heavily promoted in the media something sounds fishy.

They are telling us we "need a Southernor" to run and then the very next thing they say Hillary is going to go for it? WTF...Hillary would just allow the media to bring out their dirt again on Bill...we could have whitewater all over again, wouldn't that be great.

I gurantee you right now, she won't get the nomination.