Ed Schultz tears Dean up one side and the other

[podnoi]

Anyone else just listen to Ed? I haven't in a few weeks (after he came on like a neo-con dog after the guy from Move On).

Well, today I tried again. I thought I was listening to a Republican Hack!! I used to love this show. Not anymore.

He spent the hour I listened to him almost exclusively foaming about Howard Dean. Giving repeated play to Delay's comments about him and agreeing.

If you heard it and agree use this link and let him know your feelings. I am calling my radio station next. This guy needs off the air. He ain't no progressive.

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/emailed.html

[Langis]

1. I can't listen to him anymore... I wish my Air America station would get..

Rid of him.


I just get the feeling he is a hack... he is only there for the money. Plus he just doesn't "get" complex issues, he misses the point on at least 50% of the issues he talks about.

Ugh I am so sick of him.

[Arugula Latte]

33. Exactly.

He is not the sharpest tool in the shed, which probably served him well when he was a Republican tool, but he ain't cutting the mustard now.

[JRob]

38. Schultz is on Jones Radio Network. You must be listening on XM...

which brings up something interesting I was told recently, that XM is owned by Clear channel. Humm...

[Ichiro]

42. Someone from Clear Channel sits on XMs board

Clear Channel hedged their bets and bought into XM. XM leans conservative. However, from what I know, XM isn't abortion-clinic-bombing-whacked like the neocons at Clear Channel. Now, Sirius is actually more liberal, I don't mean in terms of programming, but in the general attitudes of the execs. One thing though, Sirius has been on a wild path of spending, and it may be, Clear Channel, in its desire for air wave dominance, will be able to buy up Sirius.

[JRob]

56. Thanks for the lead! I just DISCONTINUED my XM SERVICE n/t

[janx]

70. Really? I listen to him now and then,

but I have no desire to listen to him daily. :shrug:

[Moochy]

2. AMEN to that

Amen to that his voice is about as irritating as his opinions.

He's riding on Air America's coattails. Stupid KQKE in SF is running his lousy show during the day. noon - 3?

[K8-EEE]

3. Well...

I disagree with him that it's Dean's fault but I can see where he's coming from on Dean being more responsive to the noise machine....or getting somebody else to be, or whatever. I wish our side was LOUDER! Even though sometimes I think BushCo is just self-destructing in front of our eyes, maybe that is the strategy.

Not a huge fan of Ed Schultz myself but I think he might appeal to a certain demographic that Air America doesn't -- everytime anybody anywhere GETS THE MESSAGE about BushCo I'm happy. I prefer Randi.

[ClarkUSA]

44. I have never listened to Ed Schultz though I wish our side was LOUDER too

[LittleClarkie]

4. Here's a thought

Is Ed a Hillary person?

How does Hillary feel about Dean, do you think.

But I agree, he's pot/kettle/blacking. If it's bad for moveon.org to attack Dems, it's bad for him to do it too. Esp. if he's not going to give Dean time.

[tishaLA]

21. He ended up having a moveon representative on his show

After that michagos he did a few weeks ago. I think he's not so quick on the uptake and he thinks he has to defend his "friends" like Hoyer and Lieberman. Yesterday when Nelson said he'd always been inclined to vote for Bolton and Schultz didn't challenge him, I thought I wqas going to break blood vessels in my eyeballs.

Fortunately, most of his listeners are to the left of Schultz and they educate him about stuff. After he had people try to "convince him" we shouldn't drill in ANWR, he had a guest for a whole hour talking about bio-diesel.

I also think he's criticizing him because Schultz has a national stage and he wants a good "get."

[Eloriel]

36. THAT explains everything:

his "friends" like Hoyer and Lieberman

:puke:

[farmbo]

5. Relax...Big Eddie is just trying to light a fire under Dean's butt...

Check out Big Eddie's website...he prominently features pictures of himself with Dean.

He just wants Dean to start going wholesale with his speaking events and fund raising.

[podnoi]

11. I "got" that Ed was upset that Dean has not been on his show

I caught that. Ed has a funny way to "light a fire". it sounded pretty oppositional.

[Chicago Democrat]

13. That wasn't how I heard it. Yesterday he was talking about how Dean

really, really needs to be more visable!!


That's true, where is Dr. Dean? Why doesnt he appear on TV, radio EVERY DAY?!!!

[podnoi]

15. Yes, he did say Dean needed to be more visible

But his approach was heavily critical and a put down.

Years ago I used to plug into Rush on occassion just to hear what he was saying. He was always very careful to lift up while he craftily critisized.
Maybe Shultz is losing it. Maybe he just has his ego to wrapped up in it. But his approach lately has stunk. He just does not seem to get what is going on.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

79. I envy your strong stomach...

One sentence out of the rush mouth has me running for the toilet bowl.

[janx]

25. No he does not. Why should he, at this point? n/t

[Chicago Democrat]

34. We need a shadow government, with a leader to criticise and

give a counter view to every single issue.

I wanted Dean to head the party and so far I have not seen him hardly at all! We need to be in constant fundraising, constant election-year mode. We need to build a consensus and get our view out there in the media. He needs to work harder and be our attack dog.

[janx]

58. Delay is reacting to the Dems and to Dean.

That's what we want him to do.

[janx]

6. What did he say?

I heard the a sentence in DeLay's speech last night--is that what Ed was talking about?

[paulk]

23. he said that Dean should be responding to Delay's attacks

on the Democrats - especially from Delay's little soiree last night where he called the Dems the party of "no". (And some other nasty stuff)

He didn't suggest that Dean shouldn't be chair, though he did question the strategy of going around the country and trying to organize at the grassroots level.

I don't think what Schultz said was motivated by any anti-Dean agenda, although I'm sure some of the more sensitive Dean people will see it that way. He seemed genuinely concerned that Dean's strategy might not be the best way to go and that the party needs someone out there every day rebutting Republican attacks.

He seems to think that's Dean's job.

[janx]

26. The Dems have been REACTING to the Repubs for years.

That's exactly what DeLay wants us to do. But he no longer gets to define the terms of debate.

[paulk]

30. I think responding to Delay gives him (Delay) credibility

just ignore him


I have to say I was disappointed in Schultz, he doesn't seem to understand what the DNC chair's job is. I don't find this questioning of Dean very productive, it's too soon to know what kind of job he's doing. Let him alone to do it.

[janx]

32. Yep. Maybe someone should point out these billboards

to Ed, and tell him that that's how DFA likes to do things:

[JNelson6563]

35. "Do things"???

You mean like actually not sitting around bitching and finger pointing? What are you? Crazy???

;-)

Julie

[janx]

46. Planting billboards like this one in and around Delay's

district apparently didn't make the "Hammer" very happy.





So the "Hammer" vents and mewls and screams, and Dean is supposed to respond?

:rofl:

We need more billboards.

[shance]

7. What did he say?

n/t

[janx]

10. ...

:shrug:

[kaygore]

8. I completed the form and sent it in

You'd think after what happened to Dennis Miller when he sold his soul to the dark side that others would be a bit slower to follow. Guess for all his lumbering size, Ed was able to run to the dark side, despite the Miller warning.

[blondeatlast]

22. Yeah, Ed's really running to the Rad Right.

Give me a effing break.

Slow day at HF?

[Carolab]

9. It does NOT excuse attacking him.

If he wants Dean to do more, why doesn't he ASK him? Why not have him on the show and talk about it?

[dogman]

12. I agree that he does not seem as astute as I would like.

He is attacking Thune for the base closing in SD. I believe the closings will end up making heroes out of assholes when the deal is worked out and they rescue their constituents. He often speaks before the hand is played. He comes off as bombastic because of speaking with out the facts. It is more of a Limpballs style but that is a proven ratings grabber.

[LittleClarkie]

16. I thought that was interesting though

saying that Daschle had influence as Minority Leader that Thune does not have, despite campaigning to the contrary. And now the Repubs in SD are hemming and hawing and pointing fingers. If anything, Ed should know SD politics. He's broadcasting from there, after all.

[dogman]

19. Yes, but he said Daschle will support what's good for the state.

And this enters the public political arena next. I would not be surprised to see Bushco flip this for Thune just to prove their point. I believe it is a game being played at the expense of average people. They will then be GOP property for life if they think they owe their livelihood to Thune. Time will sure tell but this would be Rovian to see Bushco use carrots and sticks on the innocent.

[welshTerrier2]

14. this is nonsense ...

can we get a little clarity about what Schultz's complaints about Dean were?

was he saying that Dean is unqualified to be the Chair of the Party (i.e. a personal attack) or did he disagree with something Dean did or didn't do (a criticism based on disagreement over issues or tactics)??

we're asked to send an email in protest but we're not given any details ... what the hell was this all about ???

btw, fwiw, i don't like Schultz's show either ...

[podnoi]

17. I felt he was implying that Dean was not up to being chair

I am looking to see if I can find the Delay quote, which was harsh on Dean, that Ed played several times and amplified in agreement.

Sorry I can't be more specific. I was driving and did not write it down. Anyone know where there may be an archive or late broadcast?

[blondeatlast]

20. Got Google?

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/

[janx]

24. I don't see anything about it there either.

Am I missing something?

[blondeatlast]

27. He wants Dean to TELL US what he's doing--that really is all.

I happen to enjoy Ed, but that's my perogative. I know many DUers despise him.

He thinks it is more important for Dean to be on TV, talking about Bolton, Iraq, IRAN, etc.

He isn't bashing Dean, it's constructive criticism.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

And, I'm just sayin', the GD forums could use some airing out today...

[janx]

28. He's free to do that.

Dean has been avoiding the MSM--with good reason.

[autorank]

41. I agee, why not get Dean on the air. He's excellent. I like Big Eddie

:hi:

[tinfoilinfor2005]

80. I agree with you...

and so I am ducking to avoid the splatter of the rotten tomatoes...

[blondeatlast]

29. Not at all, guy. Back it up. I heard it. He's saying Dean should

be on TV, more public. I happen to disagree with Ed on this, but he has a point, IMHO.

[janx]

65. I like listening to Ed Schultz every once in awhile.

But sometimes he seems a little less than plugged in when it comes to news of the Dem party. Maybe some of his callers can clue him in a little from time to time and keep him up to date.

[blondeatlast]

31. See post #27. nt

[welshTerrier2]

37. thanks, blondeatlast ...

i wish we (i.e. DU'ers) could stay focussed on meaningful discourse instead of mischaracterizing what actually occurred ...

no offense intended to the BP'er but i do think it's important before calling up the troops to go after someone that we make sure we're clear on the details ... and i think it's important before DU'ers leap into action that they ask a question or two first ...

we may have flaming, hostile arguments about the policy but let's at least make sure our arguments are based on reality ... as to whether Dean is screwing up by not being more visible or he's doing exactly the right thing, that's a debate worth having ...

[Andromeda]

18. When you post something like this,

please give a brief description of what the person said, otherwise we're all sitting here not knowing what the heck you're talking about.

In other words, give us the DISH in your own words! A link is fine too but some people here have a hard time with audio and video links.

Just the juicy tidbits, please! :):):)

[WLKjr]

39. Flame war commeth when

people say Dean, and Schultz or just one or the other in any post. Dean does need to start being more visible though and come out swinging again till delay and the neocons are KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT!


Ed Schultz is an aquired taste, just like most of the programming on AirAmerica and Jones Radio Network IMHO

[Carolab]

40. How often is Mehlman on TV? Or Rove?

A lot more than Dean?

[mandyky]

43. Congressional Dems did not waant Dean totalk policy

DeLay is a problem in the House, Bolton and fillibuster are Senate challenges. I'd love to see Dean more but I understand why he is only dealing with local media on his trips.

[zulchzulu]

45. I don't agree with Big Eddie on everything, but...

...I thought his take on "where is Dean?" was a little over the top, but a worthy topic to discuss.

I think Dean has been doing well, but my take on what he was saying may have had to do with whether some in the DLC are telling Dean to be quiet after he was making fun of Rush Limpole recently. Dean has been known to gaffe a bit and then have to dig himself out of a hole.

Dean's role is mostly to be a fundraiser anyway. Having him get too policy-oriented in speeches can make for some unneeded fireworks.

On Big Eddie, I must admit that he is a bit more entertaining than Randi very recently. I go back and forth on each other when one starts boring me.

I would consider Big Eddie a moderate progressive...like the majority of Democrats...and his appeal in the South and West are a good thing.

[cestpaspossible]

47. I think it's pretty funny

when people think that because they are not seeing someone on TV, they are not doing anything.

[tishaLA]

48. I don't recall seeing or hearing anyone make that claim, however

Mr. Schultz said he thinks Gov. Dean should be more visible and talk to the national media more. As Zulch said, that is something with which people can disagree, but Mr. Schultz never said Mr. Dean is "not doing anything."

[janx]

49. What exactly did Ed Schultz say?

I still can't find anything. :shrug:

[tishaLA]

53. See post 27

[janx]

59. I wish I had a transcript. An interpretation is good, but

a transcript would be better. Thanks anyway, though.

[cestpaspossible]

54. People often don't acknowledge the underlying idiocy of their beliefs

Mr. Schultz never said Mr. Dean is "not doing anything."

Yeah, and I never said anything about what Mr. Schultz said. LOL

[tishaLA]

61. So your comment that

"when people think that because they are not seeing someone on TV, they are not doing anything" was a propos of nothing then? OK.

[cestpaspossible]

62. DUH

My comments mean what they say, but they don't mean what they don't say.

So for example, if I didn't hear what someone said, I won't comment on what they said, and if I don't comment on what they said then I didn't say anything about what they said. I didn't hear what Ed Schultz said, therefore I have no comment about what he said. And if I don't comment on what he said, my comment is not about what he said.

But I still think it's pretty funny when people think that because they are not seeing someone on TV, they are not doing anything.

[tishaLA]

64. In other words, yes

Your comments were apropos of nothing

[cestpaspossible]

69. I'll let you pick your words, I'll pick mine

ditto for noses.

[janx]

50. It's even funnier when things like this

happen instead!

:rofl:

[Spiffarino]

51. Jebus, people

It's called dialogue, and it's something liberals and progressives LOVE. It's what sets us apart from the other side.

Let us please not turn into Kool-Aid drinkers. There are plenty on Bush's side and the world just doesn't need any more. I don't want Ed off the air, or Randi, or Malloy, or anybody else with whom I sometimes disagree. If I wanted to listen to an echo chamber, I'd be a friggin' Republican.

[whometense]

68. Gotta agree.

I'm not a huge Big Ed fan, but I think he fills a necessary niche on the radio. He appeals to macho guys who like bluster. The whole point of his show is that he is Rush Limbaugh, only he thinks and has actual liberal values.

He annoys me personally a lot of the time, but that does not mean he doesn't provide an extremely valuable service for the left - he appeals to those guys - and you know they're out there - who think liberalism is for wimps.

[IronLionZion]

52. Dean is not the TV type

Aren't there other DNC staffers to deal with that stuff? I think Dean is kicking ass with grass-roots organizing to build up our party. That's the way to win. "show up and listen" and "50-state party" and all that good stuff.

But it would be nice to have someone like a PR person to go on the corporate media shows to represent us. Dean can't be everywhere at once. The Repubs seem to have a whole army of whores ready to go on TV at a moment's notice to spew their propaganda.

[janx]

57. Let'em wonder for just a little while longer.

You should have seen/heard the reaction at the DeLay shindig when he mentioned Dean's name.

I'll never forget it.

[Carolab]

71. Really? How'd they react?

I didn't see it or hear about this.

[Festivito]

55. Big Ed is a mixed bag. Still has an ad implying Clinton left a recession.

That RepublCON lie bugs me.

Sometimes Ed just does not get it. And, I keep fearing he's just a sleeper mole ready to take down some story or time slot. Bribe money drives a lot of people from being thinking liberals.

He likes his own opinions. The more wrong they are, the more he seems to like advertising them.

But, my favorite, Randi Rhodes spent 20 minutes talking about her bra one day. Her bra. Twenty minutes.

[ElectroPrincess]

60. Wake up Dean Groupies, Ed Schultz is on the mark. Kudos to him!

Where is Dean? Hate to admit it and I don't blame you but you all "got punked."

We do not have a true Democratic Party. The corporations have gotten to Dean also. There's only a few Democratic representatives and senators who remotely approach the ideals of "putting people before corporations."

Bottom Line: Dean has also sold out to the money changers, i.e. in the interest of multi-national corporate welfare first and foremost. :P

[mzmolly]

63. /sarcasm

;)

[IronLionZion]

67. that's exactly why he avoids the corporate media

so we won't find out that he's secretly conspiring with them! That's why he's been traveling around the country building up local grass-roots support. It's an elaborate hoax to deceive us. Don't pay any attention to Hillary Clinton and Newt Gingrich working together on legislation. Dean is the one who sold us out to the corporate establishment!

I understand exactly what you're saying princess, let's burn him at the stake!

:sarcasm: :P

[Cha]

72. NO! Not my

Dean! ;-)

[IronLionZion]

74. Hey, he's OUR Dean

and he's awesome! :toast:

[Cha]

76. Touche'!

:toast::patriot:

[PATRICK]

66. Put him in the proper context

it sounds like a little sour resentment for not even getting verbal support from the loyal opposition like his RW rivals receive plus perks.

Well, the feeling of loneliness is a national plague for the sane so all I can say, welcome to the club.

I have no defense for the Dems not trying better to find a voice and support those who do, even if the Righties probably were waiting with pitchforks to make hay out of a more vocal Dean to the detriment of the grassroots job. Yet Dean has been speaking, just perhaps not mounting the massive effort needed to get what some of what he wanted out against the MSM. The other Dems are not parrots nor much of a PR team either.

It's not just Dean. Nor is it just Ed in the other sector. The cold reality that must depress anyone during those long nights in that Fargo broadcast room is that we are in big trouble in the media area and not together and not sufficient in any star in any sector to push back the infuriating unsubstantial lies.

No need for anyone to play the martyr or prophet. No need to eat our own. Ed is Ed and others have fans too. I haven't seen one pundit on any side who can be a one person news outlet and perfect forum. Groping for the truth shouldn't mean the left should claw at each other.

It was Chavez who finally put up the goods for an alternate TV network, slyly labeled a Latin Al Jazeera by miffed Americans. It might be fun to have an Al America of our own.

But don't tell Franken.

[podnoi]

75. Dean out there big... Said DeLay aught to be in jail

The Boston Globe

Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Party, said yesterday that the US House majority leader, Tom DeLay, ”ought to go back to Houston where he can serve his jail sentence,” referring to allegations of unethical conduct against the Republican leader.

Not sure where "Big Eddy" is coming from. Has anyone seen what has been on the Democrats site since Dean took over? The guy is not shying away.

[LandOLincoln]

73. This is pure bullshit. SCHULTZ WAS NOT AGREEING WITH DELAY.

HE was asking why there was no rebuttal from Dean--or ANY OTHER prominent Dem--to all the crap the Bugman had spewed at us at the "tribute" to him on Wesnesday night (or maybe it was Thursday night, I forget).

It's a good question.

[Cha]

77. Well, you got your answer..Dean

thinks delay should be in jail.

[ElectroPrincess]

78. Exactly! Can't we all hear him? Well?

<crickets chirping> ;)

I've endured a number of friends and close relatives in political life. Through a number of hard knock lessons = I've learned the following:

What do you call a hundred politicians at the bottom of the ocean?

Answer = A good start. :P

My point: They (politicians) sell us out unless we DEMAND their service.

Ed Shultz did the right thing by asking Dean to come out into the National view. If not, what good is he?