ABC Good Morning covering Waynesville Baptist

[dweller]

had 3 members interviewed, i only caught the last few minutes.

heads up Central.

dp

edit w/coffee: one woman, 2 men. It was not Selma, one older gent, one younger. Older man said it was all politics. Younger said it was wrong b/c in America one of the beautiful things was the diversity of opinion allowed. Showed a clip of the smiling pastor (and wife?) leaving the church, but no comment from them.

[jojo54]

1. Is this the church in S Carolina? n/t

[dweller]

2. western NC

dp

[jojo54]

3. O.K. I'm missing something then.

What's going on with this church?

[Ganja Ninja]

5. Here's a link.

http://www.wlos.com/news/news.shtml#story2

[jojo54]

7. Thx

I thought this was the same story I had heard about last night, but ABC reported that the church was in S. Carolina. Anyway, it doesn't matter. This just goes to show how much the christian right will push their agenda.

[izzie]

4. Oh yes' the city on the hill' is alive and well

How we love those old Puritans. If we could just get back to each state doing their own narrow believes and we can hang those others who do not follow the line, things would be fine.Xmas will be of some problem as these Puritans did not do a thing for Xmas. That will have to be done away with in this buying society but cheer up we can get the Quakers back to Pa. I can not wait to go back to the 1700's, and how about you?

[snowbird42]

6. CNN will cover it next

Thw Waynesville church

[jojo54]

8. Wish I could watch

Grandson here, only 1 TV and he gets to watch his 2 shows before we start doing non-TV things. Should be some interesting discussion tho.

[Flubadubya]

13. Oh, CNN covered it alright...

Bill Hemmer fairly exonerated the preacher and made the case that there was nothing political about it. More details here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1771715

[Freedom_from_Chains]

9. I just saw it

Looks like the fundies are starting to define "christian" as being not-Democrat.

That and I think this is about getting their restriction against being political removed. From the Asheville Carrier-Times.

This could change if U.S. Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr., R-Farmville, and 167 other representatives, including Rep. Charles Taylor, R-Brevard, have their way. In 2003, Jones introduced House Resolution 235, which seeks to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to protect the religious free exercise and free speech rights of churches and other houses of worship. The resolution is now in the House Ways and Means Committee.

The Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act would amend “the Internal Revenue Code to state that churches and other houses of worship shall not lose such designation because of the content, preparation or presentation of any homily, sermon, teaching, dialectic or other presentation made during religious services or gatherings,” according to the resolutions summary.


Churches, the network that Hitler used to disburse his propaganda.

[jojo54]

10. That doesn't surprise me

What DOES surprise me is that this is a baptist church. Yes, most baptists come from the south but when I was growing up baptist, I found a lot of them to be very liberal. Maybe since I stopped going to church things have changed.

<edit> OMG, I just saw the rest of your post! You're right, Hitler is back. I'm running for the hills!

[Freedom_from_Chains]

11. Not in the Babtist church I was raised in

It was all hell, fire, and brimstone, being a Democrat was synonymous with being Satan. And this was in the sixty's.

But I have heard others make statements like yours, it's like historically there were two types of Baptist churches out there.

[Jo March]

18. Same here, Freedom

The Southern Baptist church that I went to growing up was hellfire, brimstone, Revelation-sytle scariness. Nothing hopeful or loving about it.

I went to church in the 1970s in Alabama.

I am now Methodist.

[ktowntennesseedem]

12. Baptists have never been "liberal" in the truest sense of the word.

But for 95% of their history, they have been the strongest advocates of church-state separation and religious tolerance. They had great respect for differences, because within their own ranks there has always been a great diversity of ideas. (Old saying: "Put two Baptists in a room and you've got three opinions.") In fact, diversity has historically been Baptists greatest strength, and they used to celebrate that.

That's all out the window now, and they have been taken over by religious fundamentalists who want to be nothing more than a wing of the Republican party (the only wing, eventually), and thus use their combined social and political clout to replace democracy with theocracy and reign in their warped version of God's kingdom on the earth.

(from a recovering Southern Baptist and closet-Baptist-historian.)

[The Icon Painter]

16. Baptists once...

... celebrated 'the priesthood of all believers'. This doctrine defended the right of each person to interpret the Bible as he would. Baptists were, indeed, once the most fervent defenders of the separation of church and state. They have become a sad example of what happens when power is seized by those untutored in its use. Power has totally corrupted them.

[ktowntennesseedem]

17. Baptist history in a nutshell - you nailed it!

And IMO,from the Baptists' history we can learn some valuable lessons and glean some very helpful information for our struggles in the political arena; a lot of parallels and almost scary similarities.

[Francis]

14. Mixed Bag

The woman was a registered republican who objected to the pastor's politising the church, the older man was a democrat and the younger was their lawyer

[dweller]

15. thanks for filling in

i really didn't see enough to find out who was who.

dp

[hector459]

19. Would be better if they covered the intel memo.

eom

[ClassWarrior]

20. Then start calling them FERCRIPESAKES...

The Radical RW didn't build their movement by whining.

NGU.