Am I missing something here? Is this quote inaccurate?

[redqueen]

"Now that we're there , we're there and we can't get out.... I hope the President is incredibly successful with his policy now." Howard Dean

[mzmolly]

1. Yea, your missing the part where he said Bush got us into a !@#$% mess.

It's the same part Dennis Kucinich deliberately left out in fact.

Here's the non cherry picked quote from Dean:

"Now that we're there, we're there and we can't get out," he told an audience of nearly 1,000 at the Minneapolis Convention Center. The president has created an enormous security problem for the United States where none existed before. But I hope the president is incredibly successful with his *stated* policy now that he's there."

[redqueen]

5. So blaming bush changes the nature of this quote?

How?

It seems the kernel of truth of this quote is that he thinks that now that bush has made such a mess, that the troops have to stay until Iraq is 'fixed'.

Is that incorrect?

[mzmolly]

11. No, it changes the nature of the BS complaint that Dean is eating out

of *'s hands and is not "standing up to Bush."

I might ask why Kucinich failed to place that portion of his statement in the quote if he's a man of such high "integrity."

[redqueen]

12. Well FWIW, I would never say that about Dean.

I was proud to support him for Chairman, and lobbied my state DNC members to support him.

I don't dislike Dean, I would've happily voted for him had he got the nomination. As many Kucinich supporters say, he was my second favorite candidate.

I hope we can work together toward pushing our party in a direction we can all support, regardless of whether it's one Dean's publicly supported up to now. Who knows, maybe he's waiting for us to 'force' him to go after bush on this issue.

:shrug:

For all the nastiness today, I'm glad you're a fellow Dem... you're tenacious. :)

Peace,
RQ

[mzmolly]

16. Thanks RQ

Right back atcha. Dennis was my first "look" at a candidate in the primaries, he got my attention immediately ... and of course I would have supported him had he gotten the nom as well.

:hi:

[bvar22]

2. It does seem a little confusing to me.

Maybe someone needs to write a letter to Dr. Dean and ask him to clarify his position.

[katinmn]

6. Yes, it's time he share a clarification on his position

People have been trying interpret here and it's still not clear to me.

I don't care what happened in the primaries.

What matters is NOW.

[SmokingJacket]

3. I don't know if it's accurate, but heck.

If Bush being successful saves lives, I know I for one hope he's successful (if being "successful" means a peaceful and prosperous Iraq, that is).

I don't wish FAILURE on the state of Iraq!

I wish he hadn't gone there. I think it was a mistake. But if we're there, I hope for the best.

Dean would be an idiot to say otherwise.

(I actually differ with him on the idea of getting out: I think the sooner we get out, the better. But if he thinks we ought to fix what we destroyed first... I see that point of view, too.)

[redqueen]

4. How can we 'fix it' if we're the cause of continuing insurgency?

Didn't we already try this once before?

Did we 'fix' Vietnam?

[Desertrose]

7. Viet Nam could never have healed as long as we were there

and the same holds true with Iraq...I'd say even more so.
WE ARE the problem...our presence there IS the PROBLEM.

As soon as we leave they will have to sort it out themselves...can we help from afar. Hopefully, yes.

Dean is still not offering a different or ANY solution from the Dems...and that is what pisses me off.

Where is the difference between the two parties? I see little...its like one big happy corporate party....and then there is the rest of us.....

[redqueen]

8. My thoughts exactly.

I'm just trying to determine the cause for all the brouhaha over DK's letter.

Surely it can't be two minor factual errors, can it?

Can the sticking point which is preventing us from discussing the very important issues you mention above really be such meaningless, trivial errata?

[SmokingJacket]

9. There's a difference of opinion among Dems on this...

I happen to think we should get out immediately.

But I'm not willing to divide the party on this issue. Many Dems I respect think we should somehow do our best to restore an infrastructure to Iraq. I disagree, and believe that our presence PRECLUDES peace.

Nevertheless, I think that Dean and others are *genuine* in their belief that we can't "cut and run." I don't believe they're beholden to corporations who hope to make a killing in Iraq.

And furthermore -- we Democrats need to do all we can to stick together. Turning on Dean won't help defeat Bush, helps Dems in '06, or frankly, do much of anything. Writing heartfelt letters to Dean will. I plan on doing that.

He's ALL we have at this point. I have faith in him. Can't think of many other Democrats in power I can say that about...

[redqueen]

10. We need to define terms. Who is saying we should "cut and run"?

Kucinich is saying, and has said all along, that we need to get the UN more involved, and get more foreign troops there to replace ours, so we can get out and let Iraq get on with their business.

That's also what Dean seemed to be saying during the camapaign.

So... that's all I'm trying to figure out.

What's the plan?

I still support Kucinich's long-time (and Dean's original) position. That being getting foreign troops to replace ours.

If that's what you mean by 'cutting and running', I'm all for it, because as you said, our troops - encouraging an insurgency by their very presence - preclude that from happening.

[lyonn]

13. Fixin' it

How about hiring Iraqis to fix their country since we blew it up. I hear their unemployment is about 70%. Sceesh. Give them a job.
Edit: I'm a Deanie.

[cestpaspossible]

14. Well it's obviously out of context and edited.

Which is another way of saying it is inaccurate, yes.

[redqueen]

15. Or not.

But thanks anyway.

[cestpaspossible]

17. Your post is untrue.

The quote is in reality out of context and part of it is edited out.

IOW, innacurrate. That was your question, right? Is the quote accurate? The answer is no. To state otherwise is a falsehood.