Kerry: “I Think These People are Extremists”

[kerrygoddess]

Kerry: “I Think These People are Extremists”
2 May 2005

Tell it like it is, John… and keep repeating it, because you know it, and I know it, but the American public needs to know it too. The “extremists” have seized our government, the MSM (aka The Republican Noise Machine) is too busy reporting dribble to give us honest news coverage and our country is going to hell in a hand basket faster than we can blink an eye.

(snip)
In an interview last night with Seattle PI columnist Joel Connelly (which Ron posted a link to in an earlier post), John Kerry let it be known he “is back in the breach.”

(snip)
"It's about our economy; it's about our health, and it's national security," Kerry said. "Let's do it now!"

Why hasn't the Bush administration acted? "I think these people are extremists, it's very simple," he said.

In fields ranging from energy to ethics to curbing Senate debate, he argued, Republican rulers in the nation's capital are "crossing lines never before crossed in Washington , D.C. "

MORE & LINKS - http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=821

[Quakerfriend]

1. You go, John! He's asking us all to get out in the

streets!

How much longer will it take for a revolution...velvet revolution, of course?

[AlmightyTallest]

78. I always thought

that "velvet revolution" sounded a bit naughty. ;)

[sasquatch]

2. I think this is why people busted their ass for you John

You know, that time span you took off during the time period after you knew you had the nomination and November 2nd to beat these fascist bastards in the ground, but instead you went out windsurfing and making a general dork out of yourself. The people also squeezed the blood out of turnips so you would run attack ads bashing Bush so we could save this fucking country and trusting you to stand up and fight, but you didn't. You know what John just shut the fuck up and do your job because your never ever again getting another shot at the white house.

[LittleClarkie]

4. He IS doing his job by speaking out

What do you consider his job if it isn't to speak out against the Bush agenda. And plenty o' people are grateful for that too.

Nice RW talking points btw.

I was in a battleground state. Trust me. He worked his ass off. And I would work my ass off for him as well if given the chance.

I'll just put you down as a "no" then. Moving on...

[sasquatch]

7. "RW talking points"?!?!?!?

:eyes:
Yeah sure, whatever.

[LittleClarkie]

10. Yep,

But by no stretch of the imagination did the man take off between Spring 2004 and November.

He had cancer, and nuked it so he could get back on the campaign trail

He lost weight and didn't have time to gain it back.

He ran a positive and gentlemanly campaign until he'd been poked in the nose enough times, and then came out swinging. Right around Sept. 30th if I remember correctly. Well, actually, it started with the rally right after the RNC convention, went to the Temple University speech, then the debates, where he kicked the Shrub's ass. He seemed to break away from Cahill and Shrum about then, who seemed intent on restraining him.

It was said that enjoying one of his hobbies for a little while helped him clear his head just before that first debate. If that's the kind of result he gets from windsurfing I say we send him out on the water MORE.

The right wing would just love it if he shut up and went away. SO HE'S NOT GOING TO DO IT. If that bothers you, I suggest you cover your eyes. Because HE IS DOING HIS DAMN JOB.

[sasquatch]

19. "Positive and Gentlemanly" campaigns lose everytime ask anyone

We expected him to attack Bush like a hungary junk yard dog, but he instead approached it like a god damned tennis match.

[IowaGuy]

21. Thank you....

Its getting pretty dreary listening to these freaks that sit around in their pj's blamin' everybody else in the world cuz they think other people don't work hard enough for "them". I was with Kerry from the beginning, and believe me, we did not lose for a lack of hard work, by anybody, especially JK - that man routinely put in 18-19 hour days 7 days a week. These clowns that read a few press clippings and think they know it all and never got off their butt to help (if he was there he would know better and not say such ignorant crap) really give me acid reflux...

[sasquatch]

26. OOPS!! sorry

[LittleClarkie]

34. No thank YOU

It's good to hear from folks with some experience in the campaign. There's a reason folks become "intensely loyal" once they get to know the guy.

His was the first campaign I ever worked on. But I could have done more. All I can say is at least Wisconsin went blue. I can feel good about that at least.

[sasquatch]

54. I worked in the campaign too god dammit

I put up signs all over my town and struck back against vandals that vandalized the signs(I vandalized Bush/Cheney signs).

[LittleClarkie]

57. Do you mean to tell me at some point you were a supporter?

Or was it an ABB thing for you.

Did you campaign for Kerry because you thought he'd make a good president? Were you able to say positive things about him? Or was your focus on being against Bush?

[sasquatch]

60. Besides his vote for Iraq I think he would've made a great president

I think senators are the worst for presidential campaigns because they act like they've got a two by four shoved up their asses when they're in public. I, for the most part, would've voted for a brass spittoon full of tobacco spit over Bush. Thanks to him doing what you're NOT supposed to do on a presidential campaign he's proven to me that he can't be trusted with the democratic ticket.

[kerrygoddess]

61. I was with Kerry from the beginning too!

It's pure BULLSHIT to say Kerry didn't work hard for us or himself.

Thank you Iowa Guy, for telling it like it was!

[AuntiBush]

84. Double "Yep!" Would Vote Again for Kerry Tomorrow!

And 2008. Thank you LittleClarkie!

[earth mom]

98. Kerry had Cancer? What kind?

Wow. I never heard that before. But then, I didn't discover DU until right after the stolen election, so I'm sure I missed a LOT of important news last year.

Edited to add that I'm glad he's better now and I am absolutely rooting for him again. :bounce:

[LittleClarkie]

100. Yep, right at the beginning of the primary season

They didn't know if he would continue once it came out that he had prostate cancer, but he had it operated on in Feb of 2003, nuked the hell out of it with chemo, and back he came. So if he looks alittle haggard in some of the 2003 photos, that's why.

I think Drudge used one of those photos to try and make the point that he used Botox. Unfair as hell, really.

[mogster]

103. I didn't know this

How sad. Good to see he has some true supporters.

Formidable defence there, LittleClarkie :hi:

[earth mom]

131. Thanks for the info-glad he's okay! :) nt

[ginnyinWI]

163. not to be a nit-picker, but

I don't think he had chemo, because that makes your hair fall out. It might have been radiation treatments, though--that's something different. :)

[LittleClarkie]

167. That makes sense

I just know they treated it very aggressively.

[whometense]

182. That's right.

He didn't even need radiation - they caught it way early. The peakedness early in the campaign was just from post-surgery recuperation. He rushed back into the campaign when he probably should still have been resting.

[Pinboy]

51. And just look at what he's saying

He is making some great statements. It's hard to see why anyone would take this as an opportunity to bash him.

I went to Ohio to work in his campaign there, and I have no regrets. Absolutely none. I would do it again in a heartbeat.

[LittleClarkie]

59. For some, the name is enough

I'm hoping the farther away we get from the election, the better this will get.

[Beelzebud]

5. Well said.

[uppityperson]

14. Ah, the obligitory "I'm still mad at Kerry" response. Sigh

Any time there is a positive Kerry topic, this comes up. Sigh.

Thanks Mr.Kerry for doing your job and working for us. We appreciate it.

[politicasista]

15. Yes we do

Ignore the haters. They just can't get over the primaries. :kick:

[TayTay]

17. Just so I know, what are you basing this opinion on?

Did you travel with the Kerry campaign? Did you advise them? Or are you another armchair warrior who is totally pissed because, from the comfort of the living room chair, this looked like an easy race to win?

Tell me, do you know what it was like to have your own daughter collapse in your arms in tears because a bunch of wingnuts had started yelling at her in public that her father was 'a baby-killer?' I'm sure that you know what it's like to have your wife called a bitch, a power-grubber and a nutjob because some right wing newspaper that has been after her for years gets one bad comment on film.

You must tell us how you survived that episode where the guy with the so-called news service says you had an affair with an intern in your office. What was that like. (By your comments, a snap, right?) And please let us know how it felt to have that service in Vietnam trashed and how it felt to have wingnuts walk around with purple hearts on their hands and such in sheer and cruel mockery of wounds you took in service to country.

Yeah, it was just that easy. The Rethugs are all sweethearts and practically just took their massive infrastructure, money and incumbency and tried to hand it to John Kerry. Sorry, pal, I stopped believing in fairy tales a long time ago.

[sasquatch]

22. He should've known they were going to attack him, so I'm not gonna -

feel sorry for some guy that should've known better. I saw a intellegent man do everything he could do to lose an election by refusing to bash Bush at the convention. I saw Kerry refuse to spend money we gave him on attack ads showing Bush for who he was. I saw a man decide to sit his ass at home when it was obvious that there was voter fraud taking place in Ohio and he refused to do anything about it. I saw a man allow Bush to not have an actuall debate, but instead a question and answer session. Thats what I saw and all the fucking "Poor me" crybaby bullshit sob stories can never change those facts.

[politicasista]

23. C.P.A.A.J.K.D.I.U.

Thanks emulatorloo! :hi:

[sasquatch]

29. What the fuck does that mean?

:hi:

[politicasista]

32. Canned Pettty Attacks Against John Kerry Don't Impress Us

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[sasquatch]

49. They don't impress me either but they impress others though

I met people that actually believed in the swift boat shit.

[Virginian]

123. There were also some vets

who have such a hatred for Jane Fonda, that the doctored photo of the two of them at the podium was enough to lose a good vote. Even after they found out the photo was forged, they couldn't get the image out of their minds.

There were also the "security" votes. Getting bin Laden to make that video the week before the election was an act of genius on Rove's part.

[LittleClarkie]

28. You saw a man

who was not Kerry, then.

They thought people would respond to positive vs negative. They may have over-estimated the American people. Some here have congratulated him on his positivity. So perhaps not everyone was looking for him to attack like a junkyard dog. I even got a call down at HQ where the woman said I should tell Kerry (as if I had a line directly to the man) to knock off the negative stuff or she was staying home. That was within the last couple of weeks.

He is doing something in Ohio. Google the name Don McTigue and Ohio if you don't believe me. He's just not jumping up and down like an idiot with no good proof. He's obsessive compulsive, not lazy. And a prosecutor who wouldn't come traipsing out without good, hard evidence.

He had that question and answer session, and even let them have foreign policy first, because it was likely the only way he was getting three debates. And he STILL kicked Bush's weenie ass.

The only "poor me" crybaby bullshit whiner 49er sob stories I'm hearing right now are not coming out of HIM (pointed stare).

He's not whining. He's fighting. If he didn't "get it" before, he sure the fuck does now.

[kerrygoddess]

75. "The Disinformation Society" May Issue Vanity Fair - READ IT!

There is no link to this online so I will type it out for you and the rest of the whiners...

From The Disinformation Society", by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

"In the 2004 campaign, the so-called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth launched dishonest attacks which, amplified and repeated by the right-wing media, helped torpedo John Kerry's presidential ambitions. No matter who the Democratic nominee was, this machinery had the capacity to discredit and destroy him."

You read this article and then come back here and tell me you think the same thing. If it was not Kerry it would have been pick your choice, any one of the other Dem candidates.

Your misinformed and making assumtions based on frustration that deserves to be directed at the right wing, not Kerry.

[Eloriel]

132. I saw

a man who was once upon a time a Vietnam War Hero and then a Vietnam ANTI-War Hero become one of the very men whose actions he once protested against.

I saw a man who would allow -- and perhaps encourage or even more -- ruthless anti-democracy dirty campaign tricks and tactics on his behalf in order to come out of the primaries on top, promising a spot on the Veep Shortlist to some of those who "helped" him out (Gephardt, Vilsack, probably others).

I saw a man who couldn't bring himself to say, "I was wrong (and shouldn't have voted for the war)," when it was probably THE most important time in his career to say that, in favor of some fancy footwork that was just more junky spin and hype. Blech. "Nuance" my foot -- his defense of his war vote was a LIE carefully crafted to try once again to have it both ways.

And more than that, but that's enough for now.

And the people of America STILL voted him the victor. Apparently, he didn't want it all that much, which is exactly what it looked like to me during the very early part of his campaign and at certain points later (e.g., windsurfing).

:shrug:

He's done, thankfully. Hope we can do just a mite bit better candidate-wise next time.

[kerrygoddess]

133. Your jaded view

Is not the view of others. Sounds like you still need to get over the primaries.

Besides that this thread is NOT about Kerry running in '08 it's about what he is doing NOW, HIS JOB IN THE SENATE.

If you can't appreciate what he is doing now, go start a rant and complain that Kerry isn't trying to get healthcare for kids, keep the SBA funded, provide better benefits for Vet's, get voter reform, bring transparency and truth to the media, leading the fight against Bolton, standing up against the Filibuster reform, calling the republican's extremists...

This thread is about NOW not the past. The primaries are over. The election cycle is over. Kerry has not said he will run in '08. I did not say that in my intial post for this thread.

[Larkspur]

186. Yep that is my view of Kerry too

Kerry is not a leader of the executive mold. He's a sheep with delusions of being a ram.

[CTLawGuy]

122. I could never consider supporting Kerry for 2008

unless he apologizes for voting for IWR, which he has never done.

The hard truth was that Bush won despite most people disagreeing with his policies because enough people found Kerry an unacceptable replacement, so they stayed with the devil they knew.

I appreciate Kerry working at this point for our cause, but I think he would have won had he (1) run a better campaign, (2) stood up to Bush as a senator.

[globalvillage]

18. Yeah, John. Do your damn job.

Oh :blush: .
Kerry on...

04/28/2005 Kerry, Lautenberg Introduce Legislation to Stop Taxpayer-Funded Fake News Hearing on Bill Set for Early May
04/27/2005 John Kerry: White House, Congress Should “Go Back to the Drawing Board” on Energy Plan
04/25/2005 John Kerry to Address America’s Dangerous Dependence on Saudi Oil
04/21/2005 John Kerry on Republican Congressional Leadership's Failure To Focus on Real Priorities of the American People
04/21/2005 John Kerry on Republican Congressional Leadership's Failure To Focus on Real Priorities of the American People
04/21/2005 John Kerry to Address Republican Congressional Leadership's Failure to Focus On Real Priorities of the American People
04/20/2005 John Kerry on Retirement of Senator Jim Jeffords
04/20/2005 John Kerry: It’s Time for President Bush to Address Gas Prices, Dependence on Foreign Oil
04/19/2005 Senator John Kerry spoke this afternoon at a Senate hearing on toxic mercury pollution. The Merrimack Valley is one of nine mercury 'hotspots,' or areas with elevated mercury levels, in New England. The Senate Democratic Policy Committee held the hearing on mercury in response to repeated denials of Republican-led committees to hold hearings on the matter.
04/19/2005 John Kerry at Senate Hearing on Toxic Mercury Pollution
04/19/2005 John Kerry Fights to Halt Devastating Transit Cuts to Massachusetts Projects
04/19/2005 Statement from Senator John Kerry on Pope Benedict XVI
04/18/2005 Senate OKs death benefit boost for families of active-duty troops
04/14/2005 Channel 5 in Boston Reports on John Kerry's Victory for Military Families
04/14/2005 Kerry, Lautenberg Secure Hearing and Mark-Up on Fake News
04/14/2005 Senators John Kerry and Frank Lautenberg Say Taxpayer-funded “News” Abused by Administration Should Have Disclaimer
04/13/2005 Kerry pushes military initiative
04/13/2005 Senator Kerry Takes Military Story to the Senate
04/13/2005 Senate Passes Two John Kerry Amendments for Troops
04/12/2005 John Kerry Fights to Add Troop Benefits to Supplemental
04/11/2005 Statement by John Kerry on John Bolton’s Nomination as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
04/07/2005 Kerry: Publicize benefit for vets
04/02/2005 Statement from Sen. John Kerry on the Passing of Pope John Paul II
03/30/2005 Bush's Budget Assaults Our Values, by John Kerry
03/30/2005
03/29/2005 Budgeting our values, by John Kerry
03/29/2005 Leading health care, children's and labor organizations support KidsFirst
03/27/2005 Dishonest' Bush budget ignores needs of the nation, by John Kerry
03/26/2005 Budgeting our values, by John Kerry
03/25/2005 Bush’s latest budget plan is assault on country’s values, by John Kerry
03/24/2005 Leahy, Jeffords, Boxer and Kerry
03/22/2005 John Kerry on EPA Hiding Harvard Scientific Data on Health Effects of Mercury
03/17/2005 John Kerry Statement on Senate Action to Save Medicaid from Drastic Cuts
03/17/2005 John Kerry Says Washington Budget is Out of Touch With American Values
03/17/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Senate Action to Save Medicaid from Drastic Cuts
03/17/2005 Senate Passes Landrieu-Kerry Reserve Fund For Reservists and Small Businesses
03/16/2005 John Kerry will make a major speech on America's budget priorities on Thursday, March 17, to the Center for National Policy
03/16/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Paul Wolfowitz’s Nomination to be President of the World Bank
03/16/2005 LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE NEW FUNDS FOR YOUTHBUILD PROGRAMS IN MASSACHUSETTS
03/16/2005 Senate Opens Arctic Refuge to Drilling
03/15/2005 John Kerry on New Mercury Rules:
03/15/2005 Senators John Kerry and Maria Cantwell Team Up to Fight Drilling for Oil in Arctic Refuge
03/14/2005 Kerry, Cantwell Fight Arctic Drilling
03/11/2005 Statement of the National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems in Support of the “Kids Come First Act of 2005” (S. 114)
03/11/2005 Statement from Edward J. McElroy, President, American Federation of Teachers, Supporting “Kids First Act of 2005”
03/11/2005 “Kids Come First Act” Addresses Medicaid Challenges Facing Children
03/11/2005 Vote Kids Lends Support to Kids First Bill:
03/11/2005 March of Dimes Supports “Kids Come First Act of 2005”
03/09/2005 John Kerry Announces Half-Million ‘Citizen Cosponsors’ Of KidsFirst Health Care Plan
03/09/2005 John Kerry grassroots press conference
03/09/2005 John Kerry on Bush's Energy Plan: "Americans Deserve Better"
03/08/2005 Kerry Organizes Grassroots Coalition Behind KidsFirst Act, Calls for Senate Action
03/08/2005 John Kerry on President Clinton
03/07/2005 Statement by John Kerry on John Bolton's Nomination to be Ambassador to the United Nations
03/03/2005 Kerry, Bipartisan Coalition Win 11th Hour Push to Save Boston Teacher from Deportation
03/02/2005 Jackie Robinson to Receive Congressional Gold Medal
03/02/2005 Jackie Robinson Receives Congressional Gold Medal For His Civil Rights Work
02/24/2005 John Kerry on U.S.-Russia Nuclear Agreement
02/17/2005 John Kerry Calls for Election Reform
02/16/2005 John Kerry on Climate Change:
02/15/2005 John Kerry: Military Families Must be Part of Supplemental
02/14/2005 John Kerry Says America Must Stand By Our Military
02/11/2005 Senator John Kerry to Discuss Strengthening America's Military at Annual Worcester Telegram & Gazette Visions Ceremony
02/09/2005 John Kerry on Medicare Costs Estimates and the Health Care Crisis in America
02/09/2005 Remarks by Senator John Kerry on Climate Change
02/08/2005 John Kerry to Address Climate Change at The Brookings
02/07/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the President’s Budget
02/03/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the Nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General
02/03/2005 Statement by John Kerry on Social Security
02/02/2005 Statement by John Kerry on State of the Union Address
01/31/2005 Statement by John Kerry on the President’s Budget
01/27/2005 Remarks by Senator John Kerry on Kids First to Families USA
01/27/2005 John Kerry Rallies Families USA to Fight for "Kids First"
01/27/2005 Senator John Kerry "Kids First"
01/26/2005 John Kerry’s “Kids Come First” Act
01/21/2005 THE ARCTIC NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE
01/19/2005 Senator John Kerry Opposes Nomination Of Dr. Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State
01/16/2005 Senator John Kerry Statement on Martin Luther King, Jr.
01/16/2005 Statement of Senator John Kerry
01/16/2005 Statement of Senator John Kerry
01/14/2005 STANDING BY OUR TROOPS AND MILITARY FAMILIES
01/06/2005 Statement by Senator Kerry on the Nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General
01/05/2005 Senator Kerry Statement on the Congressional Certification of Electoral College Results

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/press-statement.cfm

[sasquatch]

25. Too little, too late

All that shit is waving leaves at cannonballs and trying to trick us into voting for his sorry ass again.

[politicasista]

27. C.P.A.A.J.K.D.I.U.

[Capn Sunshine]

179. T.E.O.Y.G.A.H. B.S.L.L.A.G.T.A.I.S. F.A.M.N.T.B.I.J.K.I.E.

The election's over, your guy and his bumbling staff lost like a gentleman to an idiot, so find a message next time because "I'm John Kerry" isn't effective

[LittleClarkie]

30. Too legit to quit

Wouldn't it be a jolly joke if he ran for his Senate seat in 2008 instead of for prez.

So how would you like for him to do his damn job if this is how you're going to react to him doing his damn job? If he sits at home, that's bad. If he comes out and fights like the defacto Dem leader he is, that's bad. If he puts out legislation, that's bad. If he doesn't, that's bad too.

So, how shall he do his job, hmm?

He's just doing and fighting for exactly what he was fighting for in the campaign. The RW would like him to stop. Many of us would like him to continue. I suspect you're outnumbered in your desire for him to go away, ol bean.

[sasquatch]

36. It still doesn't excuse him from 2004

He has a lot of work to do to make up for that blunder.

[kerrygoddess]

62. So what's your excuse?

For your blunder?

[Name removed]

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[kerrygoddess]

69. Did he really lose?

That's the million dollar question. Find out about The Republican Noise Machine and you might understand it all better and not blame Kerry. Try Google.

[LittleClarkie]

70. I was going to bring that up before, but it slipped my mind.

How can someone blast Kerry for both running a lousy campaign, and then also not fighting in Ohio. If he ran such a lousy campaign, why fight? Obviously he couldn't possibly have won.

But if he did win, and there was fraud, then maybe it wasn't such a lousy campaign after all. Because, after all, he won, didn't he.

You know?

[sasquatch]

71. Well he did concede so he did lose by default

You see if you don't stand up and claim what's yours than you lose it and you henceforth are a loser.

[kerrygoddess]

72. Do ya think he should have

stomped his feet and cried "mine, mine, mine" with a 3 million vote margin?

[sasquatch]

73. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 and he didn't have problems with it

[kerrygoddess]

76. By far less of a margin and Kerry is no Bush

So sorry to please the few who still don't get it, Kerry would have not have pulled a Bush! He's a far better man than that.

[ginnyinWI]

169. It wasn't that simple

It wasn't just one man against another man. It was one political party against another party. The Dem party is a lot weaker than the Repub party just now, as far as their public image and their infrastructure go. They are just a whole lot more organized than we are. They've been working on it for decades, and while we had Carter and Clinton in office, the party didn't really get very much stronger. Dems seem to think they can just win on their ideas alone.

So they can put any old "retard" on the ticket and still do fairly well. Especially if he is the incumbent and people are too scared of terrorists to change presidents.

If Kerry had headed the strong party that the GOP is, and Bush had the weak party that the Dems are, it would have been a landslide for sure. No contest at all.

I suggest we all get out and help strengthen our party before next time. Start by going to your local Dem Party meetings.

[Im with Rosey]

46. I applaud you

Your valiant effort to reason with some here is admirable. I think there are some that simply find it too challenging to grasp your valid points. I say give up trying to be reasonable with people that don't understand reason and intelligence.

[LittleClarkie]

50. Good advice

It become a demented game of ping pong after a while. I should really stop after the first response.

[me b zola]

91. Your discussion has shed some light on a matter or two

Thank you, for taking the time to 'debate' a nay-sayer, and thank you for your work with JK, it really has made a difference.

[LittleClarkie]

96. When asked why I keep going back and forth like this sometimes

That is EXACTLY the reason I give. Even if my "debate" opponent isn't getting something out of the discussion, I generally hope that my words might give a person reading the thread something to think about.

Thanks to you also for your kind words.

[sasquatch]

56. Yeah it's easy when you deny reality

:eyes:

[kerrygoddess]

63. Deny reality...?

Who's denying reality here?

[Roland99]

39. At least he's doing what he should have been doing for years.

Lead by example. Perhaps he'll wake up some DINOs and persuade some moderate Repubs.

[sasquatch]

43. That's true, maybe he could convince Biden and Lieberman to grow a pair

[LittleClarkie]

45. As of the last couple of weeks, Biden is looking like he doesn't need help

in that regard, at least where folks like Bolton are concerned. Sometimes he plays politics. That was not one of those times. Color me surprised.

[blm]

138. Oh. I could have sworn that was Kerry who exposed IranContra and BCCI and

the illegal wars in Central America and submitted the first legislation in the Senate to protect gays from discrimination.

Of course, it could have been some other lawmaker and Kerry was a do-nothing Senator as the media likes to say, but, I am pretty sure it was Kerry who investigated and exposed more government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history..

[Roland99]

140. That was quite some time ago.

[blm]

146. And then he wrote a book about the funding of terrorism pub. in 97 and

later submitted legislation with Paul Wellstone for the public financing of campaigns (ignored in the Senate, but adapted by some states' for their Clean Elections Law)

He took the passable parts of Hillary's Healthcare Bill, and, along with Kennedy, drafted the SCHIP bill to extend healthcare coverage for more children.

He drafted the Community Cops bill for Clinton that put 100,000 more cops into the communities.

He drafted the Violence Against Women Act.

He worked thanklessly to normalize relations with Vietnam.

He worked with other world leaders for 10 years crafting the Kyoto Agreement.

And that's not even half of it. That's some empty suit he wears.

[LittleClarkie]

147. From that book you mentioned

"“Though this country will continue to face danger from religious extremists, homegrown anarchists, and perennial lone-bomber types, they are all in some sense “old news.” The terrorists of tomorrow will be better armed and organized. It will take only one mega terrorist event in any of the great cities of the world to change the world in a single day. As we shall see, that event could be nuclear or could just as easily occur on the Internet, but whether our sense of secure well-being ends with a bang or a whimper will not be the cause of the debate"

Remind you of anything in particular? And he wrote this in 1997.

[Roland99]

148. And he mentioned all of that how many times during the election?

'nuff said.

Kerry was a weak candidate that hoped his Vietnam War experience would show he was a warrior, too.

If he'd never brought up Vietnam and focused on what he accomplished in the Senate (like he's being more vocal now), then we'd have likely seen the Propagandist packing his shit in Nov.

[blm]

149. No. When Kerry brought this up in some of his speeches, media ignored it.

The media exaggerated the emphasis on Vietnam because Rove was working the Swift liars angle. Kerry used Vietnam more sparingly than the media claimed.

Sure, if one only heard the media view, one would assume that Kerry never once brought up fair wages or the environment, or full funding of alternative energy, or Bush's incompetent military decisions, or healthcare, or.........


But, the point you made originally was that Kerry should have been acting in the senate for years before today, and I proved that Kerry accomplished way more than you acknowledge, or maybe you just didn't know.

[kerrygoddess]

151. People need to learn about the MSM

and The Republican Noise Machine - "The Disinformation Society" by Robert Kennedy Jr, in the May Issue of Vanity Fair - READ IT!

[Roland99]

153. I've just started reading Chomsky

I used to dismiss him as a quack. Remember, I'm coming from a Republican background.

[kerrygoddess]

155. Good to hear...

You are reading Chomsky. Read the article. It's enlightening and oh so disconcerting. Republican background... family or you used to be one?

[Roland99]

156. Used to be one...big "Michael J. Fox" Republican

:blush:


Guess it came with my Catholic upbringing and hanging around the top honors kids in high school (guys who are now doctors, lawyers, CFOs for BP, etc.)

[kerrygoddess]

159. Well stick with us

Okay!

[Sparkman]

214. chomsky's 911 is easy reading. A genius w/o peer.

Another classic chomsky is 'turning the tide', with central america focus. Lets us in on what magnitude of ignorance we can sustain UNLESS we read outside the news broadcasts.
I just started the Nixon white house aide, Howard Dean's book, Blind ambition. He NEVER even mentioned Kent State in the book! Unlike Noam Chomsky, the repub's are happy with ignorance of us, their enemy.

[Roland99]

152. I knew about the BCCI and Iran Contra and the cops program

but thanks for the rest!

[kerrygoddess]

154. He has a long record

of doing many great things for this country and his home State.

[Mass]

150. A lot in fact

He even had ads about that.

Of course, if you listen to the media, you will never know that.

[sendero]

52. John Kerry..

.... is doing a great job as senator. He just isn't worthy of a promotion to president, as he has well proven.

[sasquatch]

58. That's what I'm saying

[kerrygoddess]

64. Thanks for your opinion

Not everyone shares it.

[sendero]

67. Well...

... the proof is in the pudding. I have no intention of trying that recipe again.

[AlmightyTallest]

80. Every time I see that list

I feel both very proud of Kerry and very, very lazy. I like that the reporter contrasts Kerry with previous "losing" (quotes for election fraud believers like me) Presidential candidates. I don't think we've seen anything like this in American politics in a long time. Should be interesting.

[Crunchy Frog]

24. I wish that people wouldn't use this board

as a forum for Democrat bashing. There are lots of other places you can go where they welcome that sort of thing.

[sasquatch]

35. I'm not bashing all democrats, just the ones that betray us like Kerry

www.bartcop.com
This man speaks the truth.

[Crunchy Frog]

41. Kerry isn't perfect. Neither is anyone else.

Kerry didn't "betray" us, he just wasn't perfect. I've been very impressed with his recent activities.

You want to level criticisms, fine. But bashing and tearing into good Democrats doesn't do anyone any good. And crashing a positive thread about something positive a Democrat is doing is simply in very bad taste, especially on a DEMOCRATIC board.

There may be other places on the internet you might feel more comfortable doing this sort of thing.

[Name removed]

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[blm]

160. I love bart, but he also thinks that Hillary was the only Dem who should

have voted for the Iraq War since it's all part of her larger "plan" to seek revenge in the upcoming years.

[LittleClarkie]

37. I can think of one place in partucular

Indeed. If a person is going to find fault, the least they can do is make sure their criticisms are rooted in reality. Intelligent criticism can be helpful. This is not helpful.

Thanks Crunchy ;-)

[Snivi Yllom]

118. you are peaching to the choir as far as I am concerned

Kerry blew it plain and simple. He may run again, but he won't win the nomination.

[MeDeMax]

3. go Johnny go go go !

keep doin it, the people need to know.

If anyone needs to hang their heads, it is us the people who failed you. You have always been a TRUE & great public servant.

I be proud to have volunteered in your campaign, I'll do it again.

[JNelson6563]

6. The spotlight is his if he wants it

and if he keeps making noises like this he will get it. Keep it comin' John!

Julie

[grytpype]

recommend for greatest!!!!

Let's give Kerry a platform when he says the right things... keep it up, keep the pressure on the Bushists. It's not a wasted effort.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. Yay!

Give it to them Mr. Kerry!

[Name removed]

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[LittleClarkie]

13. It's kind of interesting watching him slowly build up, isn't it

He says he's still fired up. I wonder how long he can keep that up. We need him fired up. He's the Incredible Hulk when he's fired up.

He just keeps cranking the rhetoric up a notch each time he opens his mouth. He was nearly ranting last week after the Frist appearance at "Justice Sunday."

[Dhalgren]

121. This is the best and most pertinent point of the thread:

"He says he's still fired up. I wonder how long he can keep that up. We need him fired up. He's the Incredible Hulk when he's fired up."
It makes no difference how anyone of us perceive Kerry's run in '04. The point is, what is he doing now? I wish every Democrat would get "fired up", I don't care who he or she is or what they have done or not done in the past. If Joe Lieberman goes and gets Zell Miller out of the hospital and they go on a nation-wide Bush bashing tour, then I am all for them. I don't particularly like John Kerry, but I wanted him for my president. You don't have to "love" someone to work and vote for him or her. I agree with you, LittleClarkie (wow, how about that!), we should support each and every Democrat who gets out there and slugs away at the enemy. Thanks John! Keep 'em coming!

[kerrygoddess]

125. Thank You!

Good points

[vince3]

11. Senator Kerry...

...You know you won the 2004 election. Let people know.

[Name removed]

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[toddaa]

12. Sorry, John, but I've heard this speech before

Except last time the words were directed towards Howard Dean. If John Kerry had been as forceful in attacking George Bush as he was against Howard Dean in Iowa, he'd have won in landslide, even with all the shenanigans in Ohio and Florida. As soon as he knocked off Dean, he turned into a poll reading, middle of the road, don't upset the swing voters, mush mouth. Biggest mistake of my life was throwing my Edwards vote in with Kerry, rather than Dean on caucus night. That will be the last time I go with a "sure thing". Sorry America, Iowa fucked up again.

[sellitman]

16. A day late and a dollar short

Kerry needed a primal scream like Dean, instead he he nuanced his way to extinction.


next.

[cornermouse]

20. I just want to know why we can't take a break from

people pushing ALL of the various candidates for the next presidential election 3 years and 8 months before it occurs; especially on the greatest page.

[sandnsea]

31. Push this then

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1758832&mesg_id=1758832

[LittleClarkie]

44. Because then we'd be taking a break from almost half the dems

who are doing something.

Let's see, who would that include.

Clark
Boxer
Clinton
Edwards
Gore
Kerry
Biden (big ol maybe)
Feingold (looking less likely)

I wouldn't want to lose the leadership of these people. Nor would I expect folks to stop reporting their whereabouts because they might be running in 2008.

[kerrygoddess]

65. Kerry's doing his job...

That's what this thread is about. Other peole want to make it into something else. Not my idea, just sharing what the good Senator is doing because he's doing good things.

[cornermouse]

104. Kerry may be doing his job, but

you're not doing him any favors by doing this until about 2 years before the next election. I think most of us are not interested in living in a world with a continual presidential election. We have other things that we need to push during that 2 year's time.

[kerrygoddess]

130. Um... I'm not pushing Kerry '08 here.

I'm pushing the work that has to be done in the next 2 years and the work that is being done now, and so is Kerry if you paid attention.

[LittleClarkie]

139. Hrm.

How would that work?

"Excuse me, but two years ago John Kerry needed you to email your representative about health care. Could you go back in time and do that please. Thank you."

or

"Two years ago Kerry had something to say about Bush's (blank) nomination. Still wanna hear it?"

Maybe not.

[wisteria]

33. Not just extremists, but frightening extremists!

I can't even fathom anymore how far they are willing to go to control everything. They no no boundaries. I am relieved to know that John Kerry has spoken up about this very serious situation. Everyone should be made aware it. It needs our attention.

[wiggs]

190. I'll play. Not just frightening extremists, but IMMORAL frightening...

..extremists.

[LittleClarkie]

215. Not just immoral frightening extremists but immoral frightening extremists

with bad hair.

And uuuggglyyy!

[ailsagirl]

38. I'm sure Kerry has known this for some time... it's good to hear

him put it out there!!

:applause:

[LittleClarkie]

40. I hope that folks are getting the message

Hopefully even a few Bush supporters. I fear many of them are just going to tilt their heads to one side and look at him like a confused dog.

[KoKo]

42. "KoKo01" to John Kerry......."I think you were a "flake out."

:shrug:

[LittleClarkie]

48. Right back atcha

What ARE you trying to say, dear?

:shrug:

[Lone_Wolf_Moderate]

47. That's it, John. Seize the fire.

[LittleClarkie]

53. Carpe fuente?

(slaps self)

[LandOLincoln]

107. "Carpe Fuego" maybe? ;-)

BTW, do you ever suspect as I do that a lot of our resident Dem bashers are too young to vote anyway? :eyes:

[LittleClarkie]

124. I just had that thought yesterday

No guts to ask though. I do suspect that working for Kerry doesn't mean you were old enough to cast a vote. I do honor the work, however, except for vandalizing Bush signs to make up for the vandalization of Kerry signs. That's never cool.

[Dr Fate]

55. Say "Bush is a lying extremist" and the quote will be on TV and in papers.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Even still, Kerry gets better & better- lose the nuance all together and we will really have somthing.

Keep their feet to the fire, John.

[gordianot]

68. In 2004 I was not in a position I could campaign for John Kerry.

In 2008 that will be remedied. I have been respected him since the early 70's.

[GetTheRightVote]

79. He stayed in the fight, I love him traveling the country fighting for us

and our right to health care, a better environment as well as calling bushco extremists, I hope I get the chance to vote for Sen. Kerry again soon. I love his mention of FDR and the veterans care of WWII.

:kick:

[paineinthearse]

81. “is back in the breach.”

My problem with Kerry is that he left the breach on November 11. Why the vacatiion from 11/3 to 5/1, John?

[LittleClarkie]

85. Aren't you one of the people who posts what he's doing

among other people. Or have I got the wrong guy. You do the CSPAN stuff, right?

I'm confused that you would make that kind of comment. I thought you were one of the people keeping us informed.

I mean, what vacation? The man has been like an Energizer Bunny. There's a list farther up the thread by GinnyinWI for one thing.

What the heck are you talking about? Seriously. What has he not been doing or saying that you'd like to see, and that would make you discount all that he's done so far?

I'm absolutely dumbfounded.

[paineinthearse]

92. Yes, I report events

I attended his volunteers appreciation night in January, shook his hand and told him he was "my president", and posted my thoughts here (Massachusetts forum).

In February I attended the ceremony where he received the Kennedy Foundation "Profile in Courage Award" and posted it here (politics forum).

But since 11/3 I have felt extremely betrayed that he caved in without so much as a whimper.

He lost my trust then but I will support him as my junior senator.

[kerrygoddess]

87. ?

[LittleClarkie]

89. You either?

I just did a search. How could someone who's been keeping us informed, telling us, for one thing about Kerry's email on Bolton "There isn't one reason not to vote for Bolton, there are several" complete with "You rock!" smilie, say he thinks Kerry's been on vacation? And that's just one example.

Split personality? "50 First Dates" syndrome?

I'm very, very confused now.

[paineinthearse]

93. Must it be so black and white?

If I support him on these policies I cannot hold him in contempt for bailing on 11/3?

[sandnsea]

95. Not what you wrote

"Why the vacatiion from 11/3 to 5/1, John?"

Not quite sure how you could say he's been on vacation, when you've posted at least half of the stuff on what he's been doing. I think that's the confusing part.

[LittleClarkie]

97. Indeed

How do you support the policies of a man who's been on a 6 month vacation?

Gads, it really has been six months, hasn't it.

[paineinthearse]

99. This will be my last post in this thread

By his own words, he is saying he has returned to the breach.

From where, I cannot say.

But welcome back.

[kerrygoddess]

101. Not his words!

Those were Joel Connelly words in quotations because I was quoting what Connelly said in his article. Maybe, maybe if you read the post on LUTD in it's entirety and read all of Joel Connelly's article instead taking something out of context to be the words of someone you suddenly seem to have an issue with, you would have gotten that.

You know damn well what Kerry's been doing, you've been posting it here!

[Mass]

110. So he was supposed to do what Gore did.

300 votes in Florida is NOT 100 000 votes in Ohio. Kerry would have done the same thing that Gore in the same circumstances and may be more.

He was not in the same circumstances and he continues to fight when many Dems and other would want him to disappear.

[paineinthearse]

94. Must it be so black and white?

If I support him on these policies I cannot hold him in contempt for bailing on 11/3?

Do you support his (lack of) actions / not challenging the election outcome?

[AuntiBush]

82. Give um' hell, Senator Kerry! Extremists is right!

And we need more of our Dem leaders to become as vocal and direct as Senator Kerry... these Extremists groups that I call "Cults" are seeping into our Government from local, on up to the Hill.

That goes without saying. They call us Godless, turning American against American, and have huge Church groups fighting, just to name a few.

Time to stop laughing Laura & George at your fancy dinners and grow-up! Our entire country is a mess and it was past insulting to see them wine & dine as such!

[kerrygoddess]

86. Darn tooting AuntiBush!

We need more being as vocal and direct as Kerry!

[Selatius]

83. A little late to be calling a spade a spade, no?

What the hell. He can say whatever the hell he wants. Not like it will change anything. Maybe he would've been better off calling out Bush before the election like this than long after the fight is over.

[kerrygoddess]

88. Well he did...

But the MSM gave that about as much coverage as today's statement.

[LittleClarkie]

90. Face it

He could strip nekkid, set himself on fire all while reading a speech blasting Bush, and the only notice he'd get from the MSM is if they needed a light for their ciggie butts.

[gtar100]

102. Kerry *DID* attack back but the MSM muffled him every time

You had to search for what he was saying. He was not getting any meaningful coverage in the media, other than Air America. If the MSM touted Kerry's words as much as they did for bush, it would have appeared to be a much more heated fight from the Dem's. But he could shout all he wanted at the rallies. His message wasn't being broadcast.

[CWebster]

106. Always with the ready apology

Always someone else's fault after countless betrayals. Always they are "just picking their battles" or "it is a secret strategy" rather than lose that abiding faith. Nice vote confirming war criminal, Negroponte. Mr. Iran-Contra prosecutor.

[Mass]

109. Are you posting that in Boxer's threads as well??

Or Byrd, ...

[CWebster]

112. What ever happened to the rallying call

"We will hold their feet to the fire!"

The longer you make excuses for them, the easier it is for them back away.


They need you to demand it of them. They need to hear it loud, uncompromised and clear. No apologies.

[Mass]

113. You did not answer to my question.

Do you treat other Dems the same way (in which case I have no problem and agree with you), or is your treatment only aimed at Kerry?

[CWebster]

114. Do I hold elected representatives accountable?

Yes.

Do you?

[Mass]

115. Absolutely - All of them.

I will hold all Senators accountable for their votes for Negroponte.

I will also hold Byrd, Feingold, and the five or other six senators accountable to breaking a filibuster against the head of the EPA that failed by two votes.

I will also hold accountable those senators who voted for the bankruptcy bill and those who will vote for the supplementary after they added RealId in it.

[LittleClarkie]

119. Always with the ready facts for those who find them challenging

No apologies necessary. If you're not interested in the reasons or alternate theories for some of the things that happened, that's not our fault. All we can do is supply them. I suppose it's easier just to be sure of one's position, cementing it in stone and never revisiting it unless it's time to pour more bile on it.

If he is being misrepresented, we will be there with the facts.

Further, when the facts are misrepresented on either Dean or Clark, it's good to jump in there as well, supporter or no. I'll do that for anyone who is being represented unfairly.

But then this IS a message board. Would you expect folks NOT to have an answer or a rebuttal if they disagree with you?

[CWebster]

128. Word of advice to those who plaster pinups of faveraves

and adopt gushing handles:

No one likes to be bombarded by religious zealots. There really is no debating with them and their minds are virtually closed in around the pursuit of advocating their idols.

[kerrygoddess]

129. Words of advice to those who plaster negativity

It's not productive. No one likes to hear the same negative comments over and over again. Some people are trying to move forward and get the work done. Negativity is Toxic.

[CWebster]

134. don't worry, be happy

I think I got it. :silly:

[kerrygoddess]

137. Cool!

[LittleClarkie]

144. Hang on. Let me try that.

:silly:

Ah yes, I can see it all now. Kerry must keep quiet. Yes.

Ouch. That hurts the eyes after a while, doesn't it.

[Larkspur]

210. I'm just following the same strategy kerry supporters used

Touche!!

[kerrygoddess]

126. No one is apologizing for the MSM... It's fact

As for the Negroponte vote... I would venture to guess that the Dems felt that Bolton was big fish and they can be called obstructionists over every confirmation. Just my 2 cents

[cornermouse]

105. My opinion, you should keep a documented log on Kerry's

statements and activities and pull it out after the 2006 vote is over. Two years of presidential election campaigning is more than enough for the rest of us.

[Mass]

108. Why??

People are posting statements from other Dems here all the time. Nobody objects.

We need to say what Dems are doing or we will believe what the MSM wants us to believe, that they do nothing.

Or we can be cynical and think the only reason they all do something is to run for president, but I guess if it was what I thought, I would stop being interested in politics because that would be too sad.

[LandOLincoln]

111. And I think if you object to threads like this

you could simply avoid reading them in the first place.

You could start your own threads, or you could even find a website devoted to the bashing of Democrats...oh dear, of course I meant to say other Democrats.

Honest. :evilgrin:

[kerrygoddess]

127. Right now Kerry is doing his job in the Senate

If the media wants to say he's running in '08 we can't stop that. If people here want to say it we can't stop that.

KERRY IS NOT SAYING HE IS RUNNING IN '08. He has adamantly refused to respond to those questions.

And FYI, a documented log on Kerry's activities and statements would prove that he was doing his job in the Senate.

[cornermouse]

162. I went to the greatest page and what did I find?

At least 3 greatest Kerry threads, 1 Clark, and probably 1 Edwards. All aimed at getting them into the number 1 positioning for the presidential race. Some things you should consider.

1. I'm not stupid. Your identity name is memorable and is continually connected to threads that are clearly pushing Kerry in 2008.

2. People are tired. You're not doing Kerry any favors this early. You're only going to make people tired of hearing Kerry's name, with negative feelings toward Kerry and less likely to vote for him in the primaries.

3. We really need to concentrate on what Bush is doing right now and winning seats in the 2006 Congressional races. Without that, the candidate, whether Kerry or someone else, will literally have their feet cut out from under them when it comes to actually running the country and rolling back what Bush has done.

4. And finally, isn't this candidate pushing what was upsetting Skinner a while back?

[LittleClarkie]

164. No

I hear he had a problem with full out primary wars. These positive threads are not part of that. The negative attack threads against Clark lately are more a symptom of that behavior, I think.

It seems most folks are cool with hearing what Edwards, or Clark, or Kerry, or Dean, or Hillary are up too. If we decided not to hear from them, we'd lose over half of the Dem leadership to silence. How would we fight Bush Co. then?

You got something against health care, dude?

[kerrygoddess]

168. Or calling the Bushies extremists?

news is news is news.

[cornermouse]

170. IF I was younger that would be dudette, kid.

No. But I'm tired of the presidential election and I don't want to replay it for the next 3 years and 8 months. That goes nowhere. And I think I've made it clear that, as far as I'm concerned, it extends toward all the potential candidates.

I come here because I want to know what the news is. I want to read intelligent posts that are geared toward what are a mountain of attacks on the American public by the republican party.

Another problem is that you, Kerrygoddess, and everyone else have got to start thinking about changing the composition of Congress in 2006. That is the first and most important problem for a democratic president and Kerry can't do anything to change that.

And now? I'm tired of beating my head against a wall. Usually I avoid these posts like the plague. Your priorities are out of whack, but if you want to keep pushing Kerry, go ahead and knock yourself out. But you're not doing Kerry any favors this early.

[LittleClarkie]

172. I am thinking about 2006

I am tired of beating my head against a wall as well.

I. am. not. talking. about. 2008. This. is. about. now. Positive. action. now. Right. now.

Positive action from Clark. Positive action from Hillary. Positive action from Dean. Positive action from Kerry. And what we can do to help when asked. If that is a problem, put Kerrygoddess and I and whoever else on ignore.

Because we're not going to stop reporting the news. And I don't expect anyone else to stop either. I want to know where Dean is speaking next. I'd like to hear what Clark has to say about Iraq, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. I don't mind happy little threads about each of them.

I have a Dem Sentator and a Dem Mayor to save. I am fully aware of that fact. Kerry has to get rid of Romney. He's fully aware of THAT fact. I'm working with my Dem Party locally. DON'T TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO BE DOING RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I'M DOING IT.

You may see 2008 in all of this, BUT DON'T PRESUME TO TELL ME WHAT MY MOTIVES ARE, OR MY PRIORITIES FOR THAT MATTER. YOU DON'T KNOW ME.

Thank you for calling me kid, though, dudette. I and my creaky old bones appreciate it.

[kerrygoddess]

174. THIS IS NEWS DAMN IT!

Don't come in here bitching that it isn't news because it is!

I'm tired of posting KERRY NEWS and having Kerry bashers trounce all over everything he does!


KERRY CALLED THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION EXTREMISTS AND YOU TURN THIS INTO A PISSING MATCH OVER IT BEING ABOUT THE LAST ELECTION OR THE NEXT.

How many times do I have to say this was a news post? You show me where my post said Kerry is running in '08?

Now you are attacking me and other Kerry supporters personally over what is or is not news!

[LittleClarkie]

175. Maybe I'll find some Clark news and post it

Just to prove a point, dagnabit.

Can we help it we're a bit Kerry-centric. Others pay attention to different people, and post what they do. We are no different.

I don't give a damn if Hillary is running in 2008. If she gives a speech, and somebody thinks it's news, even if it's a person who really, really likes her and always posts on her activities, should I go marching into THAT thread and piss and moan about how I don't want her as our nominee? I think not.

[karynnj]

176. To win in 2006, we need to improve the image of the Democrats

To win in 2006, Dean and others are working to strengthen the local parties. We also need to get the best candidates we can. BUT, behind all that people's views of what the two parties stand for is important.

As we have neither the white house nor the majority in either house in Congress, it is difficult to demonstrate what are values are. Kerry's Kids First and the amendments he actually got passed for military families are positive things that Democrats can say they are behind. Kerry's idea of getting people behind the bills is both born of desperation (we have no leverage in Congress to pass anything in a normal way) and clever.

Other Democrats are also trying to push popular issues. All of them are united on preserving social security. At this stage, we need to ignore which Democrat is pushing what and back things that make sense and help people. This is needed for 2006.

The politicians themselves are working together at this point. Kerry was involved in two Hillary 2006 fun raisers, Hillary, Durbin, Lautenberg and Kerry spoke together on SS in NYC, Clark and Kerry met with the House democrats to push work on military benefits. I'm sure there are many other examples - I apologize that I know mainly the Kerry ones (because I like Kerry), but from all accounts they're all working together. I am not so naive that I don't think each is trying to make their own mark, but I think they all see that doing good for the party in 2006 translates to doing good for themselves in 2008. 2006 is so serious, that anyone perceived to be working against someone else rather than for the party now, will likely be seriously hurt.

[Mass]

165. Actually it is 2.

For the rest, there are hundreds of threads every day. Why are you so bothered by these three threads?

I agree with you point 3, but frankly, these last few days there has been so many threads related to the runaway bride or about Laura Bush's jokes and this is even more bothering because we are falling directly where Bush wants us to go. Avoid thinking.

For the rest, it is your right to be tired and the hide function is there for that. Other may disagree, but I dont remember kerrygoddess pushing Kerry for 2008. She is just trying in a few of her posts to tell us what he is doing, as other are doing the same thing with Boxer, Byrd, or even Clinton.

[kerrygoddess]

166. There are plenty of members here

Who use Kerry or Clark or whoever in their username. Sorry you have a problem with mine.

As for my pushing what Kerry does... I do post other things as well, but when there is Kerry news I write about it. Sorry you have a problem with that too.

Again I repeat myself, there is nothing in my original thread about Kerry running in '08. That was not the subject of thread. the subject of the thread was Kerry calling the Bush administration extremists. I guess you don't consider that news.

What you seem to be missing here is that I am noting posting about the Kerry the candidate because he is not a candidate. He's stated this verbatim himself. I'm posting about Kerry the Senator and what he is doing that makes news.

[Q]

116. Extremists? Nothing like stating the obvious...

...about four years too late. It's kind of like him watching a barn burn down and THEN saying that maybe he should have gotten the animals out.

It seems that Kerry (and many other Dem politicians) are choosing the safe battles AFTER the barn has burned down. He's simply reiterating what we already know. The question becomes: what is he going to do about it? Run for president? I certainly hope not...given his last campaign that didn't take on these extremists.

[second edition]

117. I'm very happy to hear that Kerry is speaking out about this.

I appreciate you keeping me informed. I still like and support John Kerry. He is the only other democrat speaking out (and he does it so well) besides Reid who seems to be telling it like it is in regards to the Repubs.The public needs to start to take notice of what is going on around them and its great john Kerry is speaking up!

[rodeodance]

120. Kerry is our shadow government for the moment.

[UdoKier]

135. Oh that Kerry, and hour late and a dollar short as always.

Thanks Kerry, for stating the blatantly obvious, 3 1/2 years after it became obvious to anyone with half a brain....


It was so nice of you to take time out of your biking and windsurfing schedule to pose as our candidate. But doesn't the Senate afford you much more time for visits to Martha's Vineyard?

[kerrygoddess]

136. He stated this during the election - NO ONE LISTENED

Just like now no one is listening... instead everyone wants to make this about the primaries or whether he will run again.

The primaries are over. Kerry has not said he will run again. Only the media has speculated. He refuses to confirm that.

[LittleClarkie]

145. Actually, in the article you cited, he says that very thing.

And as Mass just said, one of his slogans was "They're extreme. We're mainstream."

And I'll repeat, how do you claim to campaign for someone you never actually took the time to listen to. And folks wonder why we, I SAY WE, didn't win. Maybe. Didn't win, that is.

[Larkspur]

141. Kerry is just figuring this out now? No wonder he lost the election last

year.

[Mass]

142. It was one of his campaign slogans

"The're extreme. We are mainstream".

It just bears to be repeated again and again for those who were sleeping then.

[LittleClarkie]

143. How many people who campaigned for Kerry

didn't actually listen to him? How do you campaign for someeone you didn't listen to?

And though we all know that Bush Co. is extreme, how many of our Dem leaders are saying it out loud? I would imagine Clark, Boxer, Kerry and Dean, but who else?

[Larkspur]

183. I didn't campaign or donate to Kerry

All I did was hold my nose and vote for this bozo because the other bozo was worse. I was an ABB voter on Nov. 2, 2004.

[kerrygoddess]

189. We already all know what your stance is around here

Start a thread about it and leave this one be. Kerry supporters don't care to hear your whine and distortions!

[Larkspur]

195. I wasn't responding to you so stick to your own posts

[LittleClarkie]

216. On a public forum there is no such thing

as sticking to your own posts. You wanna private discourse, take it to pm. Otherwise, folks can and will butt in.

[BlueManDude]

157. I figured that out 15 years ago John. Better late then never I guess.

[blm]

158. Oh, so YOU were the one who exposed IranContra and BCCI? wow. I thought

for years it was John Kerry who investigated and exposed more government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history. Yet, you claim that Kerry is only now figuring it out. Gee....the things I learn here are just amazing.

[LittleClarkie]

161. So the downfall of America can be attributed to BlueManDude?

Wow. Knew it all along but kept it to himself. Why didn't he get himself on cable news or something. Now I know. It's all Blue's fault. Damn traitor. Chickened out just when we needed him the most.

I bet he's part of that Skull and Bones thingie too.

...........

Remember when Hillary mentioned the vast right wing conspiracy and got laughed out of town? How long have people known but couldn't talk about it, do you think?

[BlueManDude]

211. Kerry let an AWOL coward denigrate his military service

all the while not believing the people or the MSM would fall for this stuff. Same with Dukakis and Gore. NOW he knows they're crazy, evil bastards. Sorry - I knew it a long time ago.

His reaction to Swifties was lame and inhuman. I can't believe he did not - day after day - stand on that stage, microphone in his hand and personally call Bush an AWOL coward who was unfit morally to sent Guardsmen to serve in Iraq when he skipped out in his own duty.

[CWebster]

177. Nice vote for Negroponte, considering all that investigating

doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

[blm]

178. Really? You think history never recorded what Kerry discovered?

You may have no appreciation of Kerry's efforts for years, but I think that anyone with any sense of history and concern for the truth would be quite thrilled that we were able to learn so much about the operations that the BFEE were trying to keep quiet.

I find it shameful that any American would scoff at his efforts or equate those years of work and discovery with a "hill of beans" just because it suits their purpose to diss Kerry. I also note that many Republicans often describe IranContra and BCCI as negligible events because they don't WANT it discussed in any substantive manner.

Any intelligent thinker would recognize that Kerry and other Dems know that they can better keep an eye on Negroponte because they are familiar with his method of operations so it would be easier to keep a known quantity in check than some other crook that they don't know as well.

[CWebster]

181. He himself demonstrated

that it all amounts to zip despite your apologies that strain credibility to give him cover.

[blm]

185. Then that cover would extend to other Dems including Boxer. So your claim

that my point on Negroponte is just cover for Kerry lacks credibilty.

Have you even bothered to research or name even ONE lawmaker who has investigated and exposed more government corruption than Kerry? Please share with us that person's name so we can understand the standard you have set for lawmakers and what constitutes public service to you.

[CWebster]

187. You are the one who keeps bringing up Kerry's investigations

even when he votes for the criminals he has investigated.

[blm]

192. You're the one who claims Kerry's work had no purpose.

I know that Kerry and the other Dems Senators who voted for Negroponte did so BECAUSE they had enough paper on him to keep him more honest in his work today than whoever else Bush would choose.

[Mass]

196. I am not sure of that

but you are right concerning the fact that some people are always ready to attack Kerry while not attacking some of their idols.

In my opinion, Negroponte was an error, but it was a collective error and some people are not ready to keep ALL the Senators accountable.

[blm]

206. I would agree that it looks like a mistake. But, some of those who voted

to let Negroponte into this position, also know a helluva lot about him through documents that the public will never see. I am certain they feel they can use what they know about him and his method of operation to better their ability to stay on top of his actions in that position.

They would likely not have that luxury with another Bush pick.

The overwhelming number of votes to confirm is evidence of that tact, imo.

[Larkspur]

184. Oh, hum. What good did all that exposition do?

Some of the crooks from IranContra are working inside the current Admin.

Seems to me that Kerry's investigative efforts have become impotent.

[kerrygoddess]

188. Your argument is impotent!

[Mass]

191. It is strange that you are unable to write anything positive!!

Your life must be so sad for you to only speak negatively.

I thought for a long time you were just a kid. Your profile indicates a woman of my age. How strange?

[Larkspur]

197. Actually, I'm happily single and cheerfully child-free. Ole!!!

Love my horse, 5 cats, 2 parakeets, and my garden and house. Spring is here in CT and my gardening drive is kicking into full gear!

I find kerry supporters desperate since their "electibile" hero proved how unelectible he is. At least Al Gore won the popular vote and had a more credible challenge to the electoral vote than John Kerry did. I might have had more respect for Kerry if he demonstrated that he was willing to learn from Gore's mistakes. I mean even Al Gore, who'd I vote for over John Kerry, learned from his own mistakes.

[Mass]

200. I am not desperate at all.

but I have stopped behaving like a child a long time ago.

I dont think necessary to go to the threads concerning people I dont like and say I dont like them. This would be a total loss of my energy.

BTW, I am very proud to have Kerry as my senator and will continue to have him for a while.

It is true it must be sad to have Lieberman as Senator, though.

[Larkspur]

209. Ha Ha Ha Ha

I have stopped behaving like a child a long time ago. Bloated egos make good jokes.

It is sad having Lieberman as my Senator. That's why I support the DumpJoe movement and hope to assist them as much as being the secretary of my town's Democratic committee will allow.

[Mass]

219. I will stop now because I am afraid to break the rules of the forum

by saying what I think right now!!

I guess that the Repugs must be happy to have foes like you. Let's follow their agendas by bashing Democrats.

[blm]

194. Except for a little thing called the HISTORIC RECORD; which seems to not

matter to those who prefer that politicians exercise their power with hyperbolic rants that make minor splashes in the news as proof they are doing their job over those who create historic record.

[Larkspur]

198. And kerry's historic record has proved squat for Democrats and even

the senator himself. Kerry lost the 2004 election to the worse president in US history. At best Kerry will be an answer in a Jeopardy category called "Runnerups."

[blm]

205. Maybe if more Democrats had the good sense to support that work instead

of siding with Reagan and Bush over those matters. Even Dean sided with R/B over Kerry during the Contra years.

Of course, he was more conservative back then, and I forgive his errors in judgement as long as he is committed to fighting the far right now.

But, just imagine if an entire nation took the time to learn the truth about Kerry's work to uncover government corruption and treason, instead of using their time to use false perceptions of him planted by rightwing media to bash him irrationally. What a better world this would be.

[kerrygoddess]

207. You consistently prove yourself to uniformed. N/T

[Crunchy Frog]

171. Good for Kerry!

I'm glad to hear about any of our Democrats speaking out and telling the truth.

[LittleClarkie]

173. And good for Clark!

Helping us to reframe the issues!

[Capn Sunshine]

180. I'll second that

They just shouldn't kid themselves about running in '08.

[Mass]

193. Thanks Kerrygoddess

for this thread.

I have to say I dont understand the reaction of some bloggers here. They are doing exactly what the RW wants them to do, attack other Democrats rather than focusing on what the administration is doing.

Nobody here is asking you to like Kerry. But we should be happy each time a Democrat states the obvious because it is NOT obvious for most people. And if somewhere you dont want to congratulate the person who said it, at least you could avoid to take him down.

So, once again, thanks to help promoting the RW agenda rather than opposing it.

[MsAnthropy]

199. A day late, a dollar short

they're EXTREMISTS?!!! YA THINK?!!! Where's he been since 2000?

[Mass]

201. Saying the same thing

Where have YOU been?

[MsAnthropy]

202. Just got here, sorry!

[Mass]

203. I meant Kerry has been saying the same thing.

It was even one of his campaign slogans during the campaign.

[MsAnthropy]

204. Oh, sorry--he gave up the fight pretty easily though

that I'll never forgive him for.

[kerrygoddess]

208. Hmmm... you know what they say...

Never say never.

[brindis_desala]

212. While I am distressed by the Kerry bashing that is

taking place on this thread I think the people who are trying to rehabilitate his image need to understand that words are slight consolation when our system of government hangs in the balance.
I applaud ANY Democrat who tries to get this country back on track but statements like these from John Kerry are marred by the odor of ambition. I for one have not forgotten his concession speech where he implored us (we who cleaned out our savings to get him elected, money he couldn't figure out how to spend) to support these same extremists for the 'good of the country' even as folks were still in line trying to move heaven and earth to give him their votes. That single action can never be squared with his words no matter how genuine.

[Mass]

218. Where did he say that?

I am happy you are distressed by the Kerry bashing. It would be more convincing if you were not bashing yourself.

[brindis_desala]

222. "Without Remorse" while our country heads down the tubes

"We are required now to work together for the good of our country.

In the days ahead, we must find common cause, we must join in common effort, without remorse or recrimination" -John Kerry, Nov. 3rd 2004

Know your candidate before you follow on blindly. I admire John Kerry
but if he believed what he said he did not learn from 2000.

[Mass]

223. Actually it went both ways

he was calling for Bush to work with the Dems as well, knowing probably that this would not happen. (I did not like it when he said it because I was not ready to hear it, but I understood it when he said it again the day of the inauguration).

I never follow somebody blindly. I certainly do not agree with Kerry 100 % (actually far from it), but from what I know of his ideas, he is one of the Dems I feel the more comfortable with generally speaking.

[LittleClarkie]

227. Indeed

Integrity counts for something, even if you're not in lockstep with the man.

[LittleClarkie]

226. I'm not blind

Those of us who still support the guy appear to me to know more about him, what he's doing, what he said, even before 2003 and 2004, than many who seem to grossly misunderstand him.

His consession speech was gracious. The words above were a hope and a prayer. If you revisit what he said in that "man in exile" video from Nov. 18th I think you will find that hope for the country had pretty much been dashed. I don't know if he believed it. But he cared enough for the country to hope for it.

And things are even weirder now than they were on Nov. 18th. Hence, it's good to hear someone fairly prominent say "extremists" out loud.

[lojasmo]

213. Perhaps john kerry is a little "slow"

He's just now discovering that Bush and his cabal are extremists?

Perhaps if he had used language like this during his "campaign" he would have not gotten his ass kicked all over the place.

*sigh*

[Mass]

217. Perhaps you are a little slow.

Kerry has said that throughout the campaign. But where were you?

[lojasmo]

224. I watched almost every word Kerry had broadcasted

His campaign was a waste of time and energy. I said in the middle of 2003 that a Kerry campaign would be designed to lose. It turned out to be a goddamned joke, MUCH worse than I thought it would be.

[Mass]

225. May be the next candidate should take you as campaign manager!!

[lojasmo]

228. I think cahill did a pretty good job....

I saw plenty of straightforward statements from HER.

<skullandbones>Kerry was destined to lose</skullandbones>

[Hotler]

220. DUH! A little late John. n/t

[Mass]

221. You are right, you are late.

[lojasmo]

229. Love all the pithy one liners, newb. EOM

[Moderator]

230. locking, this thread has turned into a flame war n/t