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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:08 PM
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Clark, Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, etc...let them ALL Declare for '08!
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 07:11 PM by KoKo01
And "Bring 'EM ON!

But, unless they have a message against the Repugs in declaring this early then I can't support them.

If anyone declares then they should be willing and prepared to be a "St. Georgewho goes after the Dragon" and slays them before we have to vote on what (sadly it seems) will still be "CORRUPT" voting machines in many areas of the USA. And, that's given the weak or no support we are seeing in support by Dems other than Conyers and Black Caucus for REAL VOTING REFORM.


I'm so tired of the Pain...diappointment, let downs and manipulation...
:-(
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:09 PM
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1. Has anyone declared? nt
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 09:49 PM
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5. It's 2005
No one will declare until mid-2007 at the very earliest.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 08:42 AM
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6. Yes
That's why I asked.
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LdyGuique Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:12 PM
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2. None will truly declare this early as election campaign laws
prohibit certain types of appearances, collecting of fees for appearances, and filing financial paperwork regularly. It is in none of their best interests to declare prior to late 2007. As for Hillary, she'd shoot herself in the foot for her run in the Senate during 2006.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:33 PM
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3. ROFL...they are already doing the "Non-Declared/Declare" by
sending "feelers" out through their operatives. DU has been filled with news of "non-delclared/declares" for the last month. And many DU'ers are already donating to and supporting Candidate PAC's.

Don't tell me no one has declared. :D We know who they are. Doesn't excluse a Dark Horse coming in very late...but the way it works today is that you get your money "upfront" four years ahead and work for the "BIG MOMENTUM to PUSH YOU!"

A few candidates already have the "Big Mo" here on DU with the early dollars...so the RACE IS ON!

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LdyGuique Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:21 PM
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4. I beg to differ . . . there has been an obsession on DU since
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 08:23 PM by LdyGuique
November -- poll after ridiculous poll -- it has nothing to do with the potential candidates themselves. Sure, a bunch of people are toying with the idea and positioning themselves, whether Dem or Rep, but none will make the formal declaration of candidacy until they are within the range of the actual primaries.


Clark to return lecture money
By Jeffrey Patch - The Daily Iowan
Published: Friday, October 10, 2003

Retired Gen. Wesley Clark will return nearly $30,000 that he garnered for a Sept. 19 speech at the UI and proceeds from all other paid speeches he delivered since declaring his candidacy Sept. 17 as a result of a complaint by two UI law school students and a Kirkwood Community College student to the Federal Election Commission regarding his paid lecture.


From the "Massachusetts Election Administration, Campaign Finance and Lobby Law Chapter 21 - Federal/State Issues" website:


<snip>
From the Federal Election Commission’s perspective, however, the political distinction between "exploring" and declaring a federal candidacy is one without a legal difference. The FEC does not recognize "exploratory committees" – only candidates and campaign committees. So, regardless of how individuals characterize themselves publicly, they need to be mindful that the FEC may consider them candidates subject to the limitations, prohibitions, and regulations of federal election law.

Under the FECA, an individual becomes a "candidate" whenever she or he, either directly or through another, has received contributions aggregating in excess of $5,000 or made expenditures aggregating in excess of $5,000. 2 U.S.C. § 431(2)(A) (1999); 11 C.F.R. § 100.3(a) (1999). Funds received and payments made for purposes of determining whether an individual should become a candidate, however, are not considered "contributions" or "expenditures" for purposes of triggering candidacy. 11 C.F.R. § 100.7(b)(1)(i) (1999). This so-called "testing the waters" exemption allows would-be candidates to accept and expend funds for activities such as polling, telephone calls, and travel without having those funds count toward the dollar thresholds for candidacy. The exemption does not apply, however, to funds received or expended for activities that clearly indicate that an individual has decided to become a candidate such as the following:

  • using general political advertising to publicize the individual’s intention to campaign for federal office;
  • conducting activities in close proximity to the election or over a protracted period of time; and
  • taking action to qualify for the ballot under state laws.
    11 C.F.R. §§ 100.7(b)(1)(ii), 100.8(b)(1)(ii) (1999).


  • The "testing the waters" exemption allows truly undecided candidates to refrain from making a decision before creating a campaign committee and filing requisite disclosure forms. The exemption does not, however, allow individuals to amass substantial funds for later use without disclosing their activities to the FEC. Notwithstanding the legal prohibition of such conduct, it would be political suicide in today’s climate to stockpile millions of dollars without disclosing it until after an official announcement of candidacy.



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    Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 08:51 AM
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    7. Thanks for this info...
    Very interesting, and just sounds like good common sense too! Otherwise people could become professional candidates.

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