Dem's Vote on Bankruptcy Bill...some Interesting Statistics

[KoKo]

between Blue Dog, New Democrat, Black Caucus and Progressives. How our Congresspersons voted. The chart gives info on the "median income" of the constituency of the Congressperson. Check our West Virginia. How sad it is that any Congressperson from WVa would have voted for this bill, given how low the income is in their district. Also check out your own congresspersons and see the income in their districts.

To me, there's no rhyme or reason for these votes. It just doesn't make sense the split off in Dems that many of us trusted to vote for this Bill. And even this chart doesn't answer many questions for some places like WVa, but does answer who's DLC. :shrug: This was the one vote when our Democrats had a chance to "block vote" to stand up for traditional Democratic values to protect those who can't protect themselves. I find that this vote is as important to me as the Iraq War Resolution vote. It's a vote that has sent me into depression because tw of my NC Dems that I trusted voted for this bill. Yet one of them voted against Iraq Resolution. What to do....What to do......:-(

http://www.techpolitics.org/congress/1091vote108.php

[AzDar]

1. No rhyme,no reason....ANYONE who voted for this legislation

should be run out of DC on a rail.There is simply no upside to this bill; it's a gift to the banking industry pure and simple. If you were a party to this, you're an enemy of the American people,IMHO.

[caledesi]

2. Even the freepers are pissed about this bill Check this out.

To: drt1
Interesting. Some of the "right wing" radio shows were pro reform. One even mocked Ted Kennedy saying "Hello!...HELLO!" on the Senate floor. Kennedy makes me throw up, but there is no need for reform. If there is a need for reform, then lower the USURY RATES. Interest of up to 19% is unconscionable. In essence screw the credit card companies! A friend worked for credit card security (not to be named). They TOLERATED FRAUD because it was a small percentage of the take. Guess the Credit Card issuer knew they were the bigger thief.
PS, I have no credit card debt. I use them for 10% off Hess Gas, air mileage and to track sales tax for my Federal Tax deduction.


49 posted on 03/05/2005 9:47:04 PM PST by -=Wing_0_Walker=-


Link: (very interesting reading, even bash * saying the banks own the US Gov and him)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1356962/posts#comment?q=1

[flpoljunkie]

5. Dean also remains silent and focuses elsewhere. Carville was right.

It is the economy stupid--and that includes economic justice--not getting ripped off by banks and credit card companies and having a job that affords health insurance in this incredibly wealthy nation.

[JDPriestly]

3. Hey! I didn't know how poor I was.

Didn't realize I live in one of the poorest districts in the U.S. -- and I live in California where the cost of living is extremely high. Apparently, people in my congressional district earn less than people in Alabama, Mississippi or Texas. The only district that beats us is in West Virginia. No wonder I feel poor. I am.

I remember hearing complaints from DUers in rural areas about their poverty. I thought they were poor like us. Apparently they are not.

But, you say, statewide Alabama is poorer. Yes, but, look at California and you see what happens when the poor lose the class war. We poor all live cramped together in certain deprived areas overly dense overpopulated areas. The rich live in in mansions across town. They have their own communities, never venture into our "gangridden" streets and despise us. Look, for example, at Tom Lantos's district in California. It is one of the wealthiest on the chart. For shame, California.

[flpoljunkie]

4. Those with aspirations for higher office, like Rahm Emanuel, voted NO.

He is also the head of the DCCC.

Yet this bill passed overwhelmingly with Democratic support, 73 votes!

The Democrats missed a major opportunity to distinguish themselves from Republicans by standing up for working Americans. The Senate Democrats failed to stop this bill, as they have several times in the past. Instead they chose to stand with the banks and credit card companies.

Let them get their campaign contributions from the banks and credit card companies. If they truly cared to make our democracy work for the people, they would not enable legislation like this which is an egregious giveaway to the banks and credit companies-- who make billions from late fees and usurious interest rates from those who have no lobbyists in Washington to protect them.

I am afraid that until we have public financing of campaigns, our government will continue to be a government of, by and for the special interests.

Our party is failing us in the one area Democrats ought to stand for--if they stand for nothing else--economic justice.

[KoKo]

7. Yes! what you say goes to the heart of it...and why I'm so upset..

(What you say has upset me to no end with that vote) Quote from you:

The Democrats missed a major opportunity to distinguish themselves from Republicans by standing up for working Americans. The Senate Democrats failed to stop this bill, as they have several times in the past. Instead they chose to stand with the banks and credit card companies.

Let them get their campaign contributions from the banks and credit card companies. If they truly cared to make our democracy work for the people, they would not enable legislation like this which is an egregious giveaway to the banks and credit companies-- who make billions from late fees and usurious interest rates from those who have no lobbyists in Washington to protect them.

[serryjw]

6. Did you actually believe they

represent the people in their district? :shrug::rofl:

[KoKo]

8. Well here in NC...it's kind of important......really...n/t

[serryjw]

9. ....And you think it's not important any where else?

I have one of the most liberal Reps so I very seldom have a problem with here voting but I just don't get it when they are re-elected every 2 years and they vote this way. Do they think no one is pay attention? MSM in Denver has actually done 2 stories on the bakrupcy bill.

[KoKo]

11. Well thanks for posting that it's important, elsewhere, too....

I was pissed because what "seemed to be" our most "liberal" Congressman voted for this "POS" and I've been to town meetings where he talked and loved this guy for the "Anti-Iraq Invasion Vote" and when he voted FOR THIS HORRIBLE BILL...I went into "crash dive mode." His answer (formal reply to constituents) to those of us who asked him NOT to vote YES on this was like getting something from the Repugs...

Many of us are questioning the vote by folks we trusted and supported with $$$'s here in NC this vote.

But, then so many of us NC'linians who put Edwards over the top as a Senator to replace the "Jesse Helms" image of NC have been devastated over Edwards performance as a Senator...so we should be USED TO BETRAYAL!!!!

So what you say is "Eat it up and move on, jerk?" No? :shrug:

[serryjw]

13. Nooooooooo

Regardless of how Degette voted this shit passed, became law and will effect every citizen of this country. believe me I'm pissed but that is a constant emotion due to something the thugs did and the dems allowed. I wish I knew the answer to how to fix this mess. I'm pretty sure the dems are not the answer. They pay homage to Corportate America just like the thugs do.

[KoKo]

15. Okay...got you..and thanks.........

There's really such enormous frustration out here. How could they have done this when THIS VOTE was their opportunity of a lifetime? How could they....

So...I hear what you say..

[KoKo]

10. kick ....just cause it's kind of important....n/t

[flpoljunkie]

12. Koko, read this from Elizabeth Warren, on TPM's Bankruptcy blog...

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/bankruptcy/archives/2005/04/index.php#005450

Elizabeth Warren is a law professor at Harvard who recently took the time to answer my email question about the bankruptcy bill. She basically says that word has gotten out about the bankruptcy bill, that folks are unhappy and that amendments are already in the hopper to make it better. I'm not depressed either--I'm pissed--but reading this made me feel some hope for changes in this one-sided bill.

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The House passed the bankruptcy bill, and now we’re down to the last minutes before President Bush signs it into law.

I should be depressed, but I’m not.

Eight years ago the proponents said it was a speeding train that could not be stopped. It was written by a lobbyist and shopped to a friendly Congressman. The financial services industry was giving big money, and there was no one in the way to stop it. We slowed it down. In the meantime, more than 12 million families got some relief when they were overwhelmed with debts following job losses, illnesses, or family break ups. With all the money on just one side in the debate, that’s pretty amazing. Even now, the bill that came from the Senate to the House had a few small adjustments that will help keep the door open for more families in desperate trouble. Not bad.

But the part that makes me feel better is that this time around we finally got the message out. Even after the horse race was over and it was clear the bill would pass, the press continued to write about the bankruptcy bill—and the stories weren’t pretty. The politicians who thought this would be a free vote discovered they were wrong. The middle class is beginning to rumble, and those rumbles will change things.

I’m also glad to see the old conservative-liberal dichotomy break down over bankruptcy. Both conservative and liberal bloggers exposed the rotten foundations of this bill, particularly the imperfect credit markets and the influence of money on politics. Could alliances shift over economic issues aimed at middle class families?

more...

[KoKo]

14. Thanks...I got my link from Josh's website.....but this is a good one for

folks to read. :-)'s :thumbsup:

[flpoljunkie]

16. The Bankruptcy blog is sponsored by talkingpointsmemo.com.

They will be continuing their blog in their fight for economic justice for the middle class--which is great news.

[serryjw]

17. Read anything Elizabeth Warren writes

She cuts through the mobo jumbo and clearly explains what is going on..I miss her on NOW with Bill MOyer.