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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:20 PM
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Poll question: Who would you like as Hillary's running mate in 2008?
I think she will make the best candidate because she and Bill are apparently the only ones who personally understand the vast right-wing conspiracy. Who would you like to see run with her?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:22 PM
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1. Hillary and Barbara? Well that's an interesting thought,,,,,
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:35 PM
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6. that's Barbara Boxer, not this toadoid. eom
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 07:44 PM
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73. I hate that woman. And, just for the record,
Barbara Bush doesn't have a beautiful anything.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:25 PM
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2. How about Puff the Magic Dragon?
Because that's as likely as Clinton getting the nom. And if she did, she'd lose a lot of votes - like my own.

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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:26 PM
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3. Nobody. Hillary's the WORST possible candidate
the Democrats could run.

Well, okay, Al Gore's probably the worst. And then Kerry. But Hillary's still terrible.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:33 PM
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4. We'll see...
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 03:33 PM by Mend
I think she is going to run, going to get the nomination, and going to win. I think Bill has been hanging out with the chimp family to remind the world of what we had and what we lost., an exercise in "compare and contrast".
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:37 PM
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7. If she runs against Jeb
She wins. Anybody else, I don't think so--her national negatives are just too high (too many people hate her guts). She also identifies too closely with the corporate wing of the party for my taste. That said, if she runs against Jeb, she'll reach up his ass and turn him inside out on national TV.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:40 PM
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9. I think she can beat Frist or McCain
they are in full repuke mode and will be stained by this monstrous administration. Wes Clark would be especially helpful against McCain.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:36 PM
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16. Please tell me how Hillary gets to 270 against McCain?
What Bush state does she flip from 2004?

If Hillary ran against McCain we would have a hard time keeping states like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

Hillary could beat GOP nobody candidate, but she would be dead in the mud against McCain.

McCain's only problem is getting the nomination.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:46 PM
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18. If we got stuck with her, I'd want Russ Feingold as VP
That way we'd know we had at least ONE Democrat on the ticket.

If it's Hillary and Wes, we'll have no way of talking people out of voting Green. A Hillary and Wes ticket would be indistinguishable from A GOP ticket.
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StudentOfDarrow Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:28 PM
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23. Wes Clark isn't a Democrat?
Please explain.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:32 PM
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24. On a good day with a following wind, he's DLC at best.
Also, as he proved in '04, the good General can't campaign for shit.
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StudentOfDarrow Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:36 PM
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26. He actually did quite well
considering he was in the race for about one-sixth of the time most of the others were. He only had about four months before Iowa and New Hampshire.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:07 PM
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32. Nice set of assertions.
Care to offer any evidence to back them up?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:21 PM
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35. Clark's a big free trade guy, which by definition makes him anti-worker
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 08:22 PM by Ken Burch
and anti-labor.

Clark was a Republican until 2002, so his commitment to Democratic principles couldn't be all that deep.

Clark was and is a Likudnik on Middle East policy(and got extensive support from neocons who wanted to make sure the Democrats NEVER support a Palestinian state.)

Clark is a big death penalty supporter and only took a "pro-choice" position on abortion rights because the DLC permitted its minions to disagree with Republican policy on that particular side issue.

And, as far as I know, Clark never even decided we were wrong to be in Vietnam.

I assume you'll accept my assessment of Hilary.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:50 PM
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40. Where are you people getting this incorrect info on Clark?
Geesch!

He was NEVER a Republican. He was a registered Independent who voted for a few Republicans when he was a young man. He voted for Clinton, Clinton, Gore and Kerry and worked on the campaigns of Eskine Bowles, Max Cleland and John Kerry, to name a few.

He is NOT for free trade, he's for fair trade: http://clark04.com/issues/economicvision/

He is NOT Likudnik on the Middle East. He believe Israel should be there, but he believes in an open dialogue with Arabs. I think you should listen to his testimony in front of the House Armed Services Committee from Wednesday in which he BITCH-SLAPS neo-con Richard Perle up one side of his head and down the other. Granted, if you believe such rightwing propaganda as you've posted, you probably won't want to listen to all three hours, but try it, anyway: http://hasc3.house.gov/04-06-05FullComm.asf

Or you can read a synaposis from someone in attendance here: http://www.forclark.com/story/2005/4/6/181535/9339

Finally, as far as I know, Clark's always been pro-choice. He simply feels like it's a woman's decision and not his or the government.

I am so tired of people coming onto DU with talking points that could have only been generated by the corporate media because they're either not true, at all, or half-baked, in the least.

:eyes:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:44 PM
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45. My info on Clark's Middle East stance was from TIKKUN
I think we can trust Michael Lerner on the point.
Clark has never, to my knowledge, called for the removal of the settlements.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #35
49. Like I said, nice set of assertions.
Care to back them up with any evidence?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #35
70. Clark wrote a disertation paper on Vietnam.
He is from the school that this was an unwinnable war based on a faulty premise.

Just cause he didn't march, doesn't mean he agreed.

Maybe that's why he's not for getting into a war unless it's the last resort, and the United States is under some imminent threat. Because he was in Vietnam and was nearly killed there.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 02:09 PM
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58. As opposed to Feingold, who voted for Ashcroft?
As he proved in 2004, the General did second-best only to Kerry in win, place and show before he dropped out because he knows when not to overstay.

There's someone who doesn't know shit for facts and it ain't the good General.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:11 PM
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63. Ashcroft was Feingold's only sin
Other than that, Feingold has been a consistent champion of progressive, grass-roots small-d democratic Democratic politics.
When Feingold speaks, you know he's on the side of the people.

Can't say that for all of them.(Especially Hilary)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:55 PM
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42. Again, what planet were you living on during the 2004 primaries?
Because, Greens LOVE General Clark!

My GOD, the man was given an Audubon Society award when commanding the National Training Center in California for his work in saving turtles.

In 1999 and 2001, Clark testified before Congress in support of education reform and increased school funding for military children. When commanding the National Training Center in the California desert, he demonstrated that military preparedness and environmental protection were compatible, and won an award from the Audubon Society for species preservation. In the University of Michigan affirmative action case of 2003, Clark joined military and political leaders in an amicus brief supporting affirmative action as essential to good order, combat readiness, and military effectiveness.

http://john-in-houston.forclark.com/story/2004/1/3/221424/8198
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:47 PM
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46. I meant progressives who voted Green in '96 and '00 and who only
reluctantly came back to Kerry despite the fact that he did nothing to reach out to progressives whatsoever. We can't hold those voters with a ticket of two DLC'ers.

Only a ticket with at least one genuinely progressive and genuinely Democratic Democrat will have a chance.

Clinton/Clark can't be that ticket.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 12:33 AM
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47. And the Audobon Society is basicall a REPUBLICAN environmentalist group
like the National Wildlife Society.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 12:52 AM
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50. I'm a progressive who voted Green in '00
and who only reluctantly came back to Kerry. What do you want to make of that, or do you think I'm lying about my attitudes and past voting history?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 01:57 PM
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56. Well, you came back out of desperation, as did a lot of us
the question is, will everyone who came back stay if we nominate a ticket made up of two DLC'ers(which is what, unfortunately a Clinton-Clark ticket would be)

You could hold those people for Clark if you put a progressive in as running mate with him heading the ticket(or the other way around)or at least if a genuinely progressive platform was allowed for a change.

I'm not primarily bashing Clark here. It's the combination with Hilary I was raising objections to.

You can't honestly imagine a Clinton/Clark ticket on a Clinton Classic platform would get progressive votes, can you?
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:42 PM
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74. No, I would not advocate a Clinton/anyone ticket.
I do not care for Hillary at all, no matter who she had on the ticket with her. I'm a big fan of Wes Clark however.

I understand that some progressives have a knee jerk bias against anyone with a military background, and have difficulty seeing past it. I'm not one of those people though, and would be ecstatic to have the opportunity to vote for Clark.

I agree with you about Hillary though, and feel the same about most of the people being talked about for 2008.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 05:27 PM
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79. to clarify
My issues with Clark weren't about his military background.
It was on issues.

I'd support HIM if nominated.

But'd I want a clearly progressive platform, for a change.

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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:13 PM
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80. Well, I agree about a progressive platform.
I just don't agree that Clark didn't have one. A number of progressives who I respect, such as George McGovern and Michael Moore seem to have agreed with my feelings on that score.

I have no desire whatsoever to support or vote for someone who is not reasonably progressive. That's why I am not a fan of Hillary at this time.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:41 PM
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30. Minnesota would bail on another Anti-Labor nominee....
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 08:02 PM by bvar22
Most of us would go 3rd Party.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:29 PM
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64. Hillary wouldn't win here.
Edited on Mon Apr-11-05 04:31 PM by lojasmo
Nor Iowa, nor wisconsin, nor Michigan, nor NM, nor PA, nor OH.

Doesn't matter who her running mate would be, the republican (ANY republican) would beat her.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 12:58 AM
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51. Agreed. I'd never vote for her. Besides, is she really a Dem?
Boxer has my vote.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:35 PM
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5. Hillary has not earned my vote yet. I want to see how she votes and talks
on the issues for the next 3 years before I commit to her. Right now, the only person to whom I would commit is Clark, if Dean will not run.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:38 PM
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8. I wish elections were about issues...
it looks like they're about who can control the peoples' perceptions (Clinton) and who can try and get honest voting machines.
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ProgressiveConn Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:46 PM
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10. I don't think Hillary should be our candidate.
I like the Feingold/Clark ticket myself. =)

If she does end up winning the primary she will probably pick Clark.
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:48 PM
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11. No Hilary please.
Don't ram Wes Clark down my throat either.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:04 PM
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12. I'm a member of the ANYBODY but Hillary club thanks!
Not literally ANYBODY, but if Hillary runs I'm not voting for her and I am a white, married, woman, with children, and a job in education. If I won't vote for her she's screwed.

Why do people keep bringing up her name? This woman will not get enough votes to carry this party. There are many others who cuold get votes from both sides of the aisle. SHE might get votes fromt he other side, but she would easily lose more votes from her own side too!
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:14 PM
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14. Me too!
I'm a white, married, woman, with children, and a job in education.

Last night, I received a call from the Democats. OMG! My hair is still on fire.

Hillary will run, and the call was just another indication that the party is setting up to give us another chance to "get in line."

I told them that I will leave the party.

Let's see: the war was a good thing, Patriot Act=great, NAFTA=swell, and NCLB=just needs to be funded.

I run the local caucus, and have worked on the county committee for years; trust me, I'm done.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:06 PM
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17. Stay, UNLESS she is nominated!
There are many other qualified candidates. My bet is the party will figure this out as soon as Democrats give them the message they will not vote for her. There are many more "anybody but Hillary" Dem's than they currently realize. It's time they get the message our numbers are large.

BTW, her voting record stinks doesn't it? My belief is it is her attempt to tell male voters that she isn't a softie but she neglected to take into account that she has accomplished virtually NOTHING on her own. She rides coattails real well though doesn't she?
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:50 PM
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19. Democratic family
... gene pull pulls.

It doesn't matter how many anybody but Hillary's run; it is all about the money and the machine. The phone call I received was sickening.

Her voting record is the same as Lieberman's. Pretty damn close... and he hasn't sucked up to Randall Terry. Think of that.

I've been told that as a woman I'm being disloyal... Disloyal to what? I wouldn't have voted for Margret Thatcher either.

Well, the ABHs will split the remaining vote... and the Clintons will dry up all the money.

My great uncle was one of "Roosevelt's Boys" my mother was an elected Dem for 30 years. Sorry, but if this is the party... there is no room for me.

ps It will be Hillary. Wes Clark will not be her running mate, although he will campaign for her. Wes and I will agree to disagree on this one.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:34 PM
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25. Well, if it is Hillary. I will turn to another party.
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 06:36 PM by bush_is_wacko
Which do you like better Libertarian or Green Party? Also Dem family. I won't even discuss Hillary with my mom, but I notice ALL of the women my age are in PERFECT agreement with me over Hillary. There are a lot more of us than there are of women's my moms age around. I have no idea what the hell appeals to my mother's generation about Hillary Clinton. She left families out in the cold over health care as far as I'm concerned and she clearly had NO health care plan. My mother is the generation of choice, no practicality. Hillary seems of the same ilk. Choice doesn't matter if you can't AFFORD the health care!

On Edit: I love my mom but she IS a big mouth with no supporting FACTS only a belief that SHE has all the answers! In some cases I take after her, but for the most part, I at least attempt to arm myself with facts before I spout off!
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #25
33. Currently reading: The Metaphysical Club
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 08:12 PM by Donna Zen
Ralph Waldo Emerson has much to say about joining parties and organizations. He believed, and I think correctly, that this "belonging" commits one to not only the points of agreement, but also of disagreement. Therefore, I would become an Independent voter.

Choice: Roe v Wade is an important decision because the case law is not about abortion, it is about "personal privacy" something that is not spoken to in the Constitution. Losing Roe v Wade means that a government in the future could demand that women--those they considered undesirable--have abortions. I don't want to go there.

This is not personal for me, rather, Hillary represents all that I dislike about the Democratic party. She basically votes however it seems political best for her career. Notice that she failed to stand up when she was needed. I disagree with her vehemently about the war and permanent bases. If we want to NEVER have healthcare, or better schools, or a better anything, Hillary's policies are designed to take us there. Today, foreign policy is domestic policy, because there is no money. The big "pork" is all in the defense budget, and Hillary will not even try to get that money. Clark said he would.. he calls defense "the make-want" budget, and moreover, he knows where it is. Personally, I think that, more than anything, is why the MSM either blacked him out or attacked him. Republicans don't want to go after the pork, and Dems are afraid to go after the pork; a status quo that suits the military industrial complex.

So, I can assure that the machinery is being rolled out for Hillary. I resent that. Party over the common good is why we are watching this country going down the tubes (along with our Constitution.) I swore I would not vote for anyone who made the votes that Hillary made--this time I'm keeping that promise to myself.

Although Hillary's advisers know that Hillary has a slim at best chance of winning, they are ready to risk the loss because it is all about Hillary's ego. She has her ego; I have my vote.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 01:02 AM
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52. The party is now representing Hillary's ego???
That may indeed be an accurate assessment of what I think about putting her in a position to be nominated.

I also cannot and will not support anyone that votes the way the wind blows and Hillary is the NUMBER one example of that.

It's funny, my mother will also defend Brittany Spears in the EXACT same light. She's not a slut or shameful she is just a smart girl that knows she can sell records if she acts slutty! I'm sorry but there is something seriously wrong with people who are willing to defend that position!

Society will take what "whomever" decides to dish out to them in order to make money is NOT the message I teach my children. I teach them that you lead by example and if you make a bad decision, you move on, but always remember your bad decisions can and do accumulate and they OFTEN come back to bite you in the ass!

How is it that my mothers generation doesn't recognize that it is NOT OK or WORTHY of the human race to do anything for money and power?

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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #52
59. Not a matter of age
It is just the lens through which we see life. Notice that there are many pro-Hillary voices here... I don't understand that since these same people would not vote for Joe Lieberman.

This sums up my view and maybe yours (don't want to speak for ya') As long as we accept politics as usual then we will get more of it. Enough is enough.

This is about money...money...and..money oh and did I mention money. This is not about the common good. When I'm told to get in line behind this coming farce is when I leave.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #59
71. That's about it!
I'm tired of the same old dirty politics. I thought many more were tired too. We will never produce much of a change in this country if we can't get our politicians to work for US not those that they owe a debt to because of campaign contributions!

We are on the same page!
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 05:43 AM
Response to Reply #12
53. I'm a white married woman with kids and I'd vote for her twice, if I could
Go Hillary!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #12
62. I like ABC myself
It has a ring to it.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:05 PM
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13. Isn't she a republicrat now?
I'd rather see someone else.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:27 PM
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15. I'd vote against her in the primaries; if she won the primaries, I'm...
going to vote Green or some other third party except if I live in a contested swing state. In that case, I'd sit out the election entirely.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:52 PM
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20. It's probably a bad idea, but I'd like to see Spitzer.
I realize they are both from NY and that's not the way things are done in politics, but I think they could be a terrific team!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:02 PM
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22. That's unconstitutional
Presidential and VP candidates must from different states.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 06:00 PM
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21. If she gets nominated, I'm voting for Nader. Or maybe Donald Duck.
Nominating her is not only a GUARANTEED loss, but a loss that no one will question, so the Repubs get another 4 years to keep corrupting the machines and systems without notice.

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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:18 PM
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27. I think it will be
Hillary/Richardson

He's a good fit from a good state, and the Clintons must be comfortable with him because he's done a lot of jobs in Bill's administration.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:14 PM
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34. That's what I was told last summer
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:46 PM
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39. Could Richardson deliver SW states from the VP?
VP candidates rarely have any sway in final election results, would this be different because Richardson is an hispanic?

Edwards didn't do anything for us in the South in 2004, in fact Bush did better than 2000.

Bentsen sure didn't deliver Texas.

The last VP I can think who truly had an effect on the election was LBJ in 1960.

But if Richardson is at the top of the ticket....
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:00 PM
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43. New Mexico is a 2% state either way
so I think Richardson would make an important difference there.

Arizona is getting to be more and more of a toss-up state as is Colorado. Richardson may help in those two also.

Plus he's experienced enough to avoid anything horrible.

I think he's a pretty natural pick. You get five electoral votes - maybe another eight, a respectable leader who's unlikely to embarrass you.

Sounds good to me.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:30 PM
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28. How about Bubba? He's eligible.
Nothing in the 22nd amendment says he cannot be VP.

p.s. ANYBODY but Hillary in '08.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:43 PM
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38. It's the Twelfth Amendment
that bans Bill from running for VP.

Read the last sentence of the Twelfth Amendment.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 07:38 PM
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29. Whoever they were, they would be irrelevant historically
Since Hillary would get her ass kicked monumentally, her VP candidate would be nothing more than a factoid no one would care about.

That means it would be Joe Lieberman.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:24 PM
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36. If we could count on the ass kicking, I'd say, go ahead and make it
Clinton-Lieberman '08.

It'll be interesting to hear what the media say to account for the Democratic ticket finishing THIRD that year.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 08:04 PM
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31. Irrelevent to me
as I will not be voting for her in 2008. (I would have a very difficult time, even if Wes Clark were on the ticket with her.)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:40 PM
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37. I just say NO
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LdyGuique Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 09:51 PM
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41. I wouldn't like to see Hillary as a candidate -- period.
She cannot win.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 10:14 PM
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44. I would vote Green Party before Hilary. She has no chance.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 12:41 AM
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48. Hopefully, Hillary won't be the nominee, but if she is- I'll vote for her
I won't change parties, it's too important to get the right wing out of the White House and to promote Dem ideals. I just don't think she can win. Conservatives think she is too left and Liberals think she is alligned too far right.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 05:53 AM
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54. Best understand VRC?
Perhaps but she's also been a helluva enabler of it too! She doesn't get my vote, no matter how hard the reich-wing corporate media tries to convince me she's the one.

Julie
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:48 AM
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55. I wouldn't like to see her run, period.
She's unelectable, pro-war, pro-offshoring, focuses on stupid issues like video games, wouldn't turn one red state and would lose Wisconsin and Michigan. She's unelectable, pro-war, pro-offshoring, focuses on stupid issues like video games, wouldn't turn one red state and would lose Wisconsin and Michigan. She's unelectable, pro-war, pro-offshoring, focuses on stupid issues like video games, wouldn't turn one red state and would lose Wisconsin and Michigan. She's unelectable, pro-war, pro-offshoring, focuses on stupid issues like video games, wouldn't turn one red state and would lose Wisconsin and Michigan. It bears repeating. I want to win. Why does NO one understand this?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 02:05 PM
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57. Her "real" running mate would be Bill Clinton.
And that would be the only thing that would put her over the top- the notion that Bill Clinton will be physically in the White House once more.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 02:12 PM
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60. Should we be thinking that far ahead?
What about Evan Bayh from Indiana? He is moderate enough for middle America and could give us back some of those red states.
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woodleydem Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 03:02 PM
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61. Colin Powell. Although his serving as Secretary of State under Bushie and
his speech in front of the UN about weapons of mass destruction may have damaged his credibility severely. Nevertheless, he continues to draw stratospheric favorability ratings amongst most Americans, and he served as Bill Clinton's Joint Chiefs of Staff, which would give a Hillary presidency some credibility when it comes to military matters. He is also very well liked amongst African-Americans, which would allow us to get the African-American vote back up to 93 to 94% for Democrats. Powell would also draw a lot of moderate voters. Alas, I also imagine he won't be to popular around here.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:31 PM
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65. This Black person here
Edited on Mon Apr-11-05 04:32 PM by FrenchieCat
does not like Colin Powell anymore (for quite some time now).

Most African Americans that I know (and I know lots)....like those that attend my church (including my pastor) of 5,000 are not stupid people that just vote for someone who is their color. If that was so, Al Sharpton would have won South Carolina.

So you are wrong in your assessment of Colin Powell. He's a Republican and he's a liar. And you can add Ms. Rice to the list. Black folks hate nothing less than an uncle Tom who does his masta's bidding. No wishy washiness about it.

You can take that to the bank. Nuff Said.
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woodleydem Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 04:54 PM
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66. Never said anything remotely close to "stupid people."
I am a member of an ethnic minority and would love to see an Asian on a Presidential ticket. Yes, Colin Powell is a Republican. But he did serve in the Clinton Administration and has always been seen as a stable moderate. I agree that his stint in Bush 43's administration has damaged his credibility. But I still think that his military background coupled with his extensive experience would pull many independents and moderates to the Democratic side.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 05:02 PM
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67. When you said what I quote below as though it was a statement of fact....
He is also very well liked amongst African-Americans, which would allow us to get the African-American vote back up to 93 to 94% for Democrats.

I just thought I would correct you. I don't know how you arrived at your stats beyond just plain guesstimating. If not guesstimating, what are these stats based on?

Like I said, Black folks don't endear themselves to those they consider as Uncle Toms. and that is Colin's image in the black community. I am sure that there are some who still respect him, but your 93-94% stat is not backed up with any real hard facts.

That's all I'm sayin'.
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woodleydem Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 06:35 PM
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68. Gore received 93% of African-American support in 2000. Kerry received
89%, a pretty big drop in a tight election.

Excerpt from a 2003 Pew Poll that I got from googling Powell:

Powell Popular – Leading Democrats Not

As has been the case since 1991, Colin Powell remains one of the most popular figures in American politics. Fully 82% rate Powell favorably, while just 8% feel unfavorably toward the Secretary of State. Powell is almost as popular among Democrats (80% favorable) as Republicans (91%). Only African-Americans are slightly more reserved about Powell; still, 69% view the Secretary of State favorably, while 19% give an unfavorable rating.


You are right about the fact that African-Americans rate him slightly below what the general public does, but almost 70% favorability rating amongst African-Americans right off the bat is pretty good. Now granted his popularity has taken a hit with his association with the WMD fiasco, but he still remains one of the most popular politicians in the country.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 07:16 PM
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69. That's not the rating of him running on a ticket....
and please provide links to back up your stats. I've been burned before on some backing up their opinion with a stat that can't be located. So I'm always skeptical.

I see by your signature you're into the "Very Safe rather than Sorry" camp. IMO, Bayh and Warner don't stand for much...but I guess that's not important. If you think that ticket will garnet 93% of the African American vote....than you'ree right; H. Clinton and Powell would certainly fare better than Bayh and Warner....in the African-American community....That's for sure.

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woodleydem Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 07:42 PM
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72. By saying "Don't stand for much", you are really saying that not all of
their views perfectly co-exist with your views. And if you wait around for a Democrat that satisfies every single issue for every single member of the party, you will wait your whole life and never find that person. I love Bill Clinton and everything he did for working class people in this country, but I also disagreed with some of his key accomplishments. (NAFTA, Defense of Marriage Act, Welfare Reform) But I take the candidate as a whole, and remember that he represents the overall ideals of the party. What I have noticed about so many people at DU is that they live in "issue prisons", and if a Democrat takes even a slightly different position than their own on any one issue, they launch into full attack mode and brand that person as "Republican lite." Yes, we are the party that values a women's right to choose, but we also need to recognize that some Democrats believe strongly in everything the party stands for, except abortion rights. Should we throw people like out of the party? I don't believe we should. As far as my signature goes, it is somewhat old and I haven't completely made up mind as to who I will support in the primaries. If Hillary is the nominee (which I suspect she will be), then she will get my whole-hearted support as a Democrat. BTW, Warner received almost 90% of the Virginia African-American vote in 2002. He also made it a point to target rural voters, (where Dems got creamed in the last election) and he has high approval ratings in rural Virginia mainly because of his Rural Business initiatives designed to bring high-tech business to central Virginia. I will try to find the Warner statistics for you on the web.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=170
(The Powell favorability ratings I cited. Scroll down and you will see them.)

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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 08:59 PM
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75. Isn't anyone else considered for Prez besides Hillary???
I don't know how I'd vote if she were the nominee.. I have to wait and see how she performs over the next several months.

From my point of view, Hillary has appeared to be too conservative in the last 3-4 years. I found it scary.

At this point in time, I'd not vote for prez rather than cast my lot with Sen. Clinton. I respect her personally, but I don't like some of her politics/issues.

Maybe her stance will change in coming days....I'll be watching.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 09:10 PM
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76. Hillary to stay in NY as Senator and not make us loose again
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sevendogs Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 10:04 PM
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77. I can agree with that
I just can't think of anyone. Hillary will lose, she can't win and if there was anyone that I liked as her running mate, I would be doing him/her a disservice.

I don't know, maybe....Barack? No, couldn't do it to him.

Sorry, can't come up with anyone as I am not happy with her. Now, if Bill could just run again.....
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 10:38 PM
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78. Don't want Hillary
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:49 PM
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81. Rep. Cynthia McKinney!!!!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:51 PM
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82. No Hillary....Absolutely Not!
It would be a good idea to put that into your poll.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-13-05 07:54 PM
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83. Hillary and Biden ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!.........
*Note: My above statement was made in pure jest!
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