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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:52 PM
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Rudy Giuliani To Run Against Hillary Clinton In 2006 For Her Senate Seat
This Republican Party would never never nominate Rudy Giuliani to run for President. They are going to build their 2006 election campaign propaganda around the Rudy verses Hillary Senate race.







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Deroy Murdock on Rudy Giuliani on National Review Online
... Extracting Hillary Clinton from the Senate "would change everything," says ACU's
... be to snatch the former First Lady's Senate seat in November 2006. ...
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Outside The Beltway : Hillary Clinton to Run for Senate Re-Election
... Hillary Rodham Clinton has decided to run for a second term in the Senate in
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:55 PM
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1. NY is a true blue state, isn't it?
Maybe bushie rudy can have ol' butcher of DC w campaign for him, while Hillary has President Bill Clinton campaign for her.

For some reason, it doesn't worry me.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:31 PM
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18. Currently with a Repub Gov. and a Repub Mayor, though
Although, if the million or so angry folks who marched against the radical extremists' (RNC) convention held here last year are any indication, New York will return to being true blue in '06.

One last thought -- I hope the nauseating Newsday cover with the Giuliani quote "Thank God George W. Bush is our president" will be resurrected by the Clinton campaign and put to good use.

(I used mine to cover the bottom of a cat litter pan.)
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:56 PM
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2. Good. Ghoulani will go down in flames
A poll of New Yorkers back in December showed Hillary trouncing Ghoulani in her district.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:15 PM
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15. Doesn't matter. Their plan is to make every Democrat running into Hillary
And to make every Republican running into Rudy. Then they can concentrate their propaganda efforts on demonizing Hillary, and on canonizing Rudy. That way they can get the maximum benefit from the behavioral conditioning they've already done, regarding Rudy and Hillary.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:20 PM
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32. Does anyone remember the state of the NY Senate race in 2K?
Rudy was in deep shit BEFORE he got crank cancer. None of that has gone away. In fact, Rudy's flirtation with all things Bush will bite him on his scrawny ass in NY.

I truly hope they throw everything they have at Hillary. If she emerges successful, it will not only prove several things about Hillary and her abilities as a pol, it will also detract huge amounts of money from the other gop races. I think it's beautiful.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:39 PM
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37. Yup and make sure Hillary
is already thoroughly dumped on before any prospective presidential race.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:56 PM
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3. well if hill, wants to run for pres. this would be the test to show she's
electable
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:58 PM
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7. Agreed. If she trounces Guiliani, her presidential campaign has legs
n/t
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:01 PM
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8. if she beats him, then she would have my vote in a bid for pres.
and I'm not a big hill fan, but if she shows that she can beat him, then the clintons will have shown that their show is ready for the road.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:07 AM
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47. How do you figure?
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 10:07 AM by Clark2008
New Yorkers - even the Republicans - are far more liberal than the folks in the red states - who will never vote for her.
We need to flip a couple of red states and Hillary beating Guiliani in New York doesn't prove to me that she can do that.
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loro mi dicevano Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:57 PM
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4. Clinton's 50-44 against Giuliani in '06. I'm not worried.
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 12:57 PM by loro mi dicevano
If he runs, he takes himself out of the race for president. It's nice that way.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:36 PM
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20. Don't underestimate the power of their propaganda machine.
They certainly don't. And anyway, it doesn't matter if Rudy loses to Hillary in 2006. Their propaganda goal, in the 2006 campaign,is to make every Republican vote everywhere a vote against Hillary, and a vote for Rudy. They want people to be making their voting decisions for irrational reasons. That's their best hope.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:22 PM
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33. In NY?
You really think that their clumsey bullshit will work? And isn't Rudy EXTREMELY vulnerable to dirty shots as well?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:18 PM
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34. Right wing media machine will say, "The libs/dems are tearing down Rudy"
That's how they'll cast attempts to report the Rudy dirt. It won't play in New York. It will play in the Red States.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 03:54 PM
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40. but the election is in NY.
It's no one else's business.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 11:01 PM
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43. The 2006 Election is more than just in NY, it's National.
It the propaganda value of a Rudy verses Hillary race to use nationally that matters to them, not who actually wins in NY.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:57 PM
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5. Rudy Giuliani is too big for his britches

he's made a lot of enemies
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:57 PM
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6. Why wouldn't he run for Governor if Pataki isn't going to?
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:01 PM
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9. He can run on the Family Values, Morals and Rule of Law the GOP stands for
:banghead: :rofl: :banghead:
:rofl: :banghead: :rofl:
:banghead: :rofl: :banghead:
:rofl: :banghead: :rofl:
:banghead: :rofl: :banghead:
:rofl: :banghead: :rofl:
i pray he does run. it would be like Obama and Keyes part II.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:02 PM
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10. No way he beats Hillary
No way in hell.

He's hated upstate. Only white ethnics like him downstate. He's been floating this trial balloon for months now.

There are enough skeletons in his closet - no pun intended - and Hillary will not be afraid to dig them out.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:02 PM
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11. Divorced adulterer takes up the fundie banner. Bring it on!
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fromBrooklyn Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:05 PM
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12. Giuliana comes with lots of baggage -
Think of Mario Cuomo: greatest orator of our time, and one of the most ethical thinkers. But he just would not transfer any of that to National Office - why? Occams Razor. He was in Albany too long, and got dirty, somehow someway. Giuliani looks less and less impressive in retrospect.

Lots of NY is 'red', but Hillary has done yeoman's work of speaking to her constituents and has well and truly earned her Seat.

The 'flash' of Giuliani will not be able to over-whelm what Clinton has done.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:05 PM
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13. Rudy G. is a MORON
Rudy G. is nuts if he thinks he can beat Hillary. Hey, whatever happened to Rick "Pizza Boy" Lazio after Hillary beat him? Rudy might want to find out.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:14 PM
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14. I still think Hillary would beat Rudy
but if Rudy beats Hillary it would be the end of talk of Hillary in '08--and when Rudy loses he will not entertain running for president (I don't think).
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:17 PM
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16. Your post is deceptive. Why?
The title says that Rudy Giuliani will run against Hillary Clinton in 2006 for her Senate seat, and the body of the post includes a number of links, none of which confirm that.

Why did you post such a misleading thread?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:22 PM
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17. It's not LBN, and I'm making a prediction, based upon evidence.
The links I've provided are part of that evidence. If you're going to pick on deceptive headlines in non LBN forums, you're going to have a lot of picking to do. Come 2006, I'll be referring people to these threads, and saying, I told you so.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:32 PM
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19. Why did you go out of your way to make it look like a statement of fact?
If you wanted to say that you thought Rudy would run against Hillary you could have done so. You did not. Why? Why didn't you just say what you meant?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:43 PM
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21. Didn't go out of my way at all, twas easy.
Wasn't room to type in the words "I Think" or "I Predict" either, even if I wanted to, which I didn't. OK, you got me, I'm being sensational. If you think my thread title actually reaches the level of being deceptive, and of violating some rule, then report it. Otherwise, thank you for kicking my thread. :smile:
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:49 PM
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23. Yes, it's easy to trick people, the question is, why do it?
Why?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:29 PM
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26. For dramatic effect. To draw attention to the issue, warn loudly about it.
And it's such a small trick. I'm certainly not doing it to annoy anyone, certainly not you, though it seems that I have. I apologize to you, and to anyone else who may feel the same way, for not having more of shame response on this. If you'd like to say more about the nature, and degree of this bad thing I've done, please feel free.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:40 PM
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28. At least you're honest about being dishonest.
That's worth something, I suppose.

However, I think you will find that you be able to provoke a more productive discussion with candor and honesty than through trickery and deception.

Maybe next time.


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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 03:18 PM
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29. I haven't done it much before. I'll think more about it, before I do it
again. If you look at my posts, you'll see that I'm usually very precise in my thread titles. I see that you have an appreciation for precision too. I am sorry that I've offended your sensibilities on this, even though I see the offense, in this case, as being no big thing.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:46 PM
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22. Why don't the progressives run someone to challenge Hillary?
Good God, can't you NYer's do better than that piece of DLC trash?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:12 PM
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24. I think that a run for the Governer's mansion is more likely
He is more likely to beat the Democrat who is running for Governor than he is to defeat HRC, and he would probably be more suited for Governor than Senator (top bannana rather one of 100).
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:36 PM
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27. Doesn't worry me too much
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 02:36 PM by fujiyama
Not a big fan of Hillary but I want her in the senate over any puke for sure.

I think she'd beat him by a fair margin.
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woodleydem Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:15 PM
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30. Rudy's to smart to run against Hillary
Many of those newspaper articles linked above are very old. It makes no sense for Rudy to run against Hillary. Hillary's approval ratings are hovering at about 70%, including high marks from the upstate Republicans. Rudy's a smart guy--he recognizes that Hillary has unlimited fundraising capabilities, a superior campaign organization, and is a very adept campaigner. He may take a run at the governor's mansion. Who do you think he would rather run against--Hillary Clinton or Eliot Spitzer? Besides, Rudy strikes me as a guy who is more comfortable as an executive politician, like a governor, where he would be able to set and control policy. As a senator, your power is dilluted and you are a disparate voice amongst one hundred. On the other hand, he may not run for anything right away. Since he left the mayor's office, he has made literally tens of millions of dollars in the private sector. He also signed on to be the senior partner of Houston-based Republican law firm, with their 25,000 square foot offices in mid-town Manhatten.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 02:01 PM
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38. National Review: March 01, 2005

March 01, 2005, 7:43 a.m.
Rudy ’06
A Giuliani win over Senator Hillary will go far toward a 2008 victory.


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Beyond discussing their issues and attending their events (when invited), Giuliani could earn conservatives' eternal gratitude by driving Ms. Hillary off the national stage.

Extracting Hillary Clinton from the Senate "would change everything," says ACU's David Keene. "That would be a totally different picture. Rudy has a lifetime record on a host of issues that concerns conservatives. That record could be canceled out, and he could become a conservative hero, by taking Hillary out. We do believe in redemption, but you have to pay some penance."

"If Rudy could beat Hillary and bring back the vote we lost in New York — which would help strengthen the president's agenda on judicial nominees and the defense budget — we would be open to giving him a second look," says Bob Bevill, president of New Hampshire Eagle Forum. "However, he would have to convert to being a Red Sox fan."


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http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 05:20 PM
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31. No, he's not running
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 05:20 PM by brooklynite
First of all, he would never run for Senate; its not enough power and he'd be "Junior" to Hillary in a sea of 99 other Senators. He might consider running for Governor against Spitzer, except that:

NEW YORK Mar 30, 2005 — Former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani plans to open a New York office of about 25 lawyers for Bracewell & Patterson, a 60-year-old Texas-based firm with about 400 lawyers in 10 cities.

The New York branch will be named Bracewell & Giuliani and likely will open in May, Bracewell & Patterson managing partner Patrick Oxford said Tuesday.

The new branch will offer a full range of legal services, such as corporate, real estate and tax law and litigation. The former mayor will continue to run the consulting firm, Giuliani Partners


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=625442

Local news picked up on this last night; there's an assessment that, if he's going to sign on as the head of a major law-firm, he wouldn't be dropping the ball a year later to run for office.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:34 PM
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36. The Houston Chronicle seems to think that it means Rudy is running.
March 30, 2005, 5:31PM

Houston-based firm adds a power partner: Giuliani
And the newest lawyer at Bracewell & Patterson has his own reasons to join
By BENNETT ROTH
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON - Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani will join the Houston-based law firm of Bracewell & Patterson, a power marriage that brings together a high-profile GOP politician and a firm with major energy-related clients and ties to the White House.

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The law office will be able to provide expertise for his consulting firm, which advises a number of energy-related companies on security, Giuliani said.

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By joining a large Texas law firm, Giuliani, a political moderate, also may be trying to broaden his appeal among conservative GOP voters in anticipation of a presidential bid in 2008, said one political analyst.

"Texas is certainly deep in the heart of the red states and this connection raises speculation a little bit more about what he will do down the road," said Lee Miringoff of Marist College in Poughkeepsie, N.Y.

snip

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3108661
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 02:37 PM
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39. in '08 for Pres...
not in '06 for Senate.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 05:03 PM
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42. The point is that joining this law firm sets him up for running.
However, first and foremost they want Rudy to run against Hillary in 06.
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ProgressiveDepot.com Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 01:22 PM
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35. That would be an interesting race for sure n/t
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captain crunch Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 04:54 PM
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41. Who counts the votes in NY ?
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:10 AM
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44. I just don't see it..
Rudi likes to be top dog, not one of a pack.
Plus, he's making so much moola now that I don't know why he would want to step away from his businesses.

As for President, I don't think he'd appeal to their fundie friends.

I don't see him becoming anti-abortion.

He has gay friends and even lived with 2 of them after he split up with his wife.

He's on his 3rd marriage.

He's got skelatons in the closet re his father's incarceration, which weren't pummeled abt too much when he ran for Mayor, but would be if he ran for President.

And while he might have stood up at the Rebug convention and drooled over Bush, he isn't going to be malleable like Bush if elected President.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 04:43 AM
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45. Running for Hillary's Senate position will make him top dog
in their propaganda drive. Running for Hillary's Senate position is the best he can do. He is the best person they could run against her. Everybody knows this GOP/RNC would never run Rudy Giuliani for President. Any talk about Rudy for President is just hype.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:03 AM
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46. NEW YORK POST: ONE-TERM HILLARY?
NEW YORK POST



ONE-TERM HILLARY?


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March 22, 2005 -- A SENIOR official in the Bush administration says he doesn't think Hillary Clinton will run for reelection in New York in 2006.


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And if Pataki went for the Senate seat, he would clear the way for none other than Rudy Giuliani to go up against the Democrat's all-but-certain nominee for governor, Eliot Spitzer.

Rudy could whale the tar out of Spitzer, a candidate about whom Democrats are overly confident in any case. The state attorney general is not a very good campaigner, as he demonstrated in 1998, when he very nearly lost his bid for attorney general to a truly horrible incumbent, Dennis Vacco.

Thus, Hillary's departure from the Senate could lead to a Republican pickup there and Giuliani in the Albany governor's mansion. This is a major two-fer — in part because Governor Rudy would be almost a certain vice presidential nominee for the Republicans in 2008.

Hillary could do herself some major damage inside her party if she causes it to lose ground in the Senate and lose its best shot in Albany in a decade.


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http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/42930.htm
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