RED SHIFT GONE WILD, Outta Control and in Free Fall.

[opihimoimoi]

The Recent elections reveal a disturbing trend in America.... the one sided way of doing things. While the President occassionily mentions bi partisanship......its usually just talk. This is a sign the Takeover of America is complete. The Pubs have dissed the Dems and are now dismissing all Lib/Progressives as Commie nutcases.

The brainwashing has succeeded dispite our knowledge of what has happened to other Nations in the Past/Current using one sided Politics

We have deluded ourselves this is GOOD.

Come, we go pray for America/Americans/The Planet/The Future.

[ClassWarrior]

1. Just means the pendulum swing will be a lot harder.

<bracing myself>

NGU.

[ldf]

12. sorry, but it is not possible for the pendulum to swing

when the votes are never counted.

:grr:

[Ripley]

2. I think a lot of Red folks got a rude awakening recently.

With the TS case and Congress/Bush Boys actions. 82% Americans told them to STFU. Even my very repub sister in South Carolina said they were wrong to intervene and write that "Terri's Law" or whatever it's called.

Their arrogance will bring them down, just like it has for other regimes. Let's just hope it's sooner rather than later.

[CrispyQ]

6. My very repub mother wrote me an email

scathing bushco. She said she doesn't care how much religion they have in their own lives, just leave it out of hers. She is PISSED!

[ixion]

3. the silver lining is that politics is cyclical

and for every shift to the right, there comes an shift back to the left. This occurs despite the best efforts by any group in power to govern this cycle.

This has been true since organized government was first conceived 5,000 years back, will continue until we are no longer the dominant species.

Just my opinion. :-)

[BillZBubb]

4. Ah, the logical fallacy of inference!

"This has been true since..."

Every morning farmer Brown's wife came out and fed the little chicks some grain. They eagerly ran to meet her knowing that every time they had ever seen her in the morning, she fed them. This cycle continued for months and the chicks grew quickly. Then, one Sunday morning farmer Brown's wife came out again and the now grown chicks ran to her. She grabbed one by the neck and pulled an axe from behind her back...

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. LOL! Nice parable. n/t

[ClassWarrior]

7. So are you saying we should give up hope?

What ARE you saying, exactly? Either we should have hope and work to make what that hope contains happen, or we should give up hope because these freaks allow us no room for it. So which are you suggesting?

NGU.

[BillZBubb]

17. I'm saying that it's very bad strategy to rely on a cyclical turn.

It's a false hope.

Personally, I do not see the pendulum swinging back our way unless a major economic downturn occurs. The sheeple are so brainwashed by the corporate media and right wing talking points that they will accept anything the Repugs spoon out--as long as they stop gay marriages! The majority in this country is seriously disfunctional.

Bush is the worst president in over 70 years, yet he was able to get a second term. Given his total incompetence and dishonesty, he shouldn't have an approval rating above 25%. The Repugs actually picked up congressional seats. Those facts tell me the pendulum is still moving the wrong way.

[ixion]

8. I do not infer

I can point to historical data to back up my premise.

On the other hand, it's a pretty safe claim to purport that any entity goes in cycles, considering that's true for Everything. ;-)

[BillZBubb]

16. But that my friend is inference.

Just because you have cycles going back to the beginning of time in no way assures that the next cycle will occur. It probably will, but it's not assured.

It's like the chicks running for the seeds.

[ixion]

18. Nothing is assured. The deception of time could cease at any second

(which would be a cycle in and of itself)

Everything is probability. However, an unexpected outcome does not change the fact that a cycle occured. In the case of your parable, the cycle still occurs, it just happens that instead of the outcome being taking food, the outcome was giving food back.

The cycle persists, despite the change in characters or their interim outcomes. Another possible outcome would be the baby chick kills the woman in self defense. Not a probable outcome, but possible.

[demwing]

9. Don't Count On The Pendulum Swing

we just have no idea where we are on the arc. We THINK things should slow down and reverse themselves, but this could just be the beginning of an immense swing to the right.

Balance could be a very, very long trip into the future.

[ixion]

10. yeah, I don't think it will be soon.... there's a long swing to the right

ahead, but it will come eventually, although that could be anywhere from 10 to 50 years... unless, of course, full dominion is implemented and a new Dark Ages occurs, in which case it could more. :-(

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. True. I don't reckon the leading lights of the Roman Empire

in 450AD imagined the swing would last 700 years.

[Selatius]

13. Politics is only cyclical so long as there aren't disturbances

Yes, there are things that can make the pendulum stop swinging, such as liquidation of the opposition or voter fraud. You think the pendulum was just swinging in the opposite direction for blacks for a whole century after the Civil War? Hell no, it was stuck because white rural folks didn't want them voting. Then you have to actively intervene and fight, struggle, and (if need be) die to force change.

The point is that you simply can't say, "Oh, the pendulum is just swinging away from us. It'll swing back to us eventually." No, that may not be true. It can get stuck, and then you have to do a whole hell of a lot more than go to the voting booth. Come down here and live in Mississippi and talk to the black community here. They'll sing to you a whole different tune about this point.

[ixion]

14. intervention and disturbance are part of the cycle

Humans drive the cycle, not vice versa (although they pretend not to realize this). Political change arises from discord, not from harmony. The pendulum never actually stops, it just swings slower or faster depending on the human actions at any given time, relative to the viewer.

Again, this is not an external force beyond our control. It is, in fact, our creation and (potentially) we control it. However to admit that this is true is to take responsibility for the problems in system. Taking responsibility means action is required to correct the issues in order to retain integrity. Action is risk. Politicians don't like risk, when it has anything at all to do with their career, hence no action is taken and the blame game is played, and the pendulum swings slower, but since the problems still persist in the system, kinetic energy is built up over time.

As our 'leaders' continue to absolve themselves of responsibility for the mess of their own creation, this displaced energy builds collectively in the society, until it reaches a tipping point, at which point change occurs. This pattern has been occurring across all civilization since the separation of State and Agriculture.

Just my two cents. :rant:

[MissMarple]

15. You have a good point. The pendulum doesn't move on its own,

independent of human action. We make the pendulum swing or in some cases retard its movement. Perhaps instead of a pendulum a better picture might be one of a tug of war. In any case we need a lot more influence if we are to pull people over to our side. Maybe that's where a "tipping point" comes into play.

Oh, the horror of mixed analogies. :D