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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:14 PM
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pushing a Dem senator out - a statement of unity?
Is it politically possible to expell a dem Senator from office? If we are going to keep losing these key votes, I would rather do it UNITED than divided.

Im being serious. MAry Landreau today is hurting the democratic party. She needs to be voted out or expelled.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:16 PM
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1. I was shocked with her vote
truly.....

I didn't expect that............
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wildmanj Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:19 PM
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4. expect
she comes from an oil state---bought and paid for by oil interest----don't let the DINO fool u
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GreatScott Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:18 PM
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2. Extremism has made us a minority party.
The way back is to pick our battles, and with gas hitting an all-time high, it's not time to stick our feet to the ground. Mary will do just fine where it counts.
Besides, drilling in ANWR is not the issue to go to the mattresses over. Judges is another story. And she's right there with us.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:22 PM
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6. You've got that backwards....
the EXTREME RW AGENDA of the Bush Administration has forced us to appear EXTREME!
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sd_UDO Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:23 PM
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7. 9 million more Dems than Rs in USA
There are more registered Dems in USA than Rep Party. Many of those
DEms vote elephant.

R party always acts like an extreme Minority Party, even when nixon
was President.

UDO!
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wildmanj Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:23 PM
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8. pick our battles
if republicans feel it important to basically vote lockstep, then why do the democrats not realize the importance of functioning as a solid group from time to time---dems and repugs basically two wings of the same BIRD OF PREY
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:45 PM
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15. Energy Policy was the issue
We're willing to destroy the entire planet for our addiction to oil. You really think it's a coincidence that gas prices in some state went up over night? Landrieu voted for jobs in her state, I understand that. But voting to change course on energy is right for this country and the world and it is also her responsiblity to explain that to her voters. Energy Policy is as an important battle to fight as there is.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:56 PM
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17. "Doing just fine" is voting FOR Gonzales?
And for Rice? And you think she won't fold when Bush vomits up some wackofundy judge? You are an optimist.

And while I agree that ANWR was not the issue to go to the mattresses over (meaning go into hiding to avoid being rounded up -- literally sleeping on matresses in a safe house), it was most definitely -- IMHO -- the issue to go to the mat over (meaning wrestling our foes to the ground using their own weight).

If you can't protect the planet, who are you going to protect?

And besides, a vote against ANWR with a push toward more efficient vehicles could be a one-two punch that knock some pubbies out of the park.
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:57 PM
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18. wrong
ANWR is aCORE Dem value. Simple as that. There wont be a bigger issue than ANWR, trust me. This is the stuff that really brings together democrats, wether super lefties or centrists.

What Landriue did was drive a STAKE through the heart of our party.
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GreatScott Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:46 PM
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20. GOP House - GOP Senate - GOP White House
Does anyone here honestly believe that ANWR is the issue that will help change that?
I don't think so. The average, non-educated voter thinks we ought to get our own oil before we buy it from someone else. And messing up a small part of Alaska, a place where hardly anyone has ever been or will ever go, doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
Now, there are very valid reasons for overhauling our complete energy policy, but to ignore the politics for principal is a recipe for losers.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:50 PM
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22. Over 60% of Americans oppose drilling
in Alaske - I was that poll last week.

Go look it up for yourself - I am tired.
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GreatScott Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:57 PM
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24. Nationwide or state by state?
I would bet a poll of Louisianans might not be at 60% against. Just a hunch!
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:19 PM
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3. I really wonder how the other Dem senators are reacting to her.
Do you think they had any words for her, or turned their back, or snubbed her in any way? I sure as hell hope so.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:21 PM
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5. I don't think you want to do that!
You don't agree with every Dem vote, well the Pubs don't agree when some of theirs drift across the isle either.

We need to concentrate on getting back in the majority in at least one of the houses of Congress, and getting rid of a Dem Stnator isn't a good way to do that! If we can get the majority back, WE will set the agenda, and can afford to have a few dissenters now and again.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:23 PM
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9. I don't think that's possible outside an election/primary
If they could have forced Torricelli out, they would have, but they didn't. Same with Zell Miller. Once they are in office, they are in office for the term.
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:27 PM
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10. But can they expell them from the party?
Seems to me that if they don't start representing the rank and file Dems then Dem money should not be given to them. They at least could be expelled from the party so they don't get Dem money in the future.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:30 PM
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11. That's a great idea--for Republicans!
Why don't you focus your energies on getting Snowe and Collins to become Dems.

Now that would be a winning idea!
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:32 PM
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12. So you'd rather have a unified block of 35 dems in the Senate?
Keep talking like that and you just might get your wish! If anything I'm being generous. I suspect that at least half of the Democrats in the Senate fail the DU left-wing litmus test on one issue or another.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:37 PM
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13. I wonder since now Bush has two Hawaii senators in his oil back pockets...
How soon before he gets their support to start off-shore oil drilling in Hawaii. I wonder if they'd support him on that? Personally I don't want to see any "revenge" that would cost Hawaii it's environment, but they are giving the wrong signals I think.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:41 PM
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14. We would have no party
Who would we have left? Ted Kennedy? NCLB was his bill and other Dems are hounded for voting for it. So I guess Teddy isn't even pure enough.

This is stupid. We need to stay focused and fight Republican Policy. Change minds and hearts. Until we do that, some Senators will have no choice but to vote for what their constituents want.
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:54 PM
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16. we have a party now?
?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:05 PM
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19. Well you do
But then, even your party leader doesn't support gay marriage or responsible gun legislation. Not sure about abortion rights and oil drilling. I'd think a Montanan would live a little more in the reality based community, reality being there's alot of shit to wipe out of people's eyes. We can't toss Schweitzer over the side because he's not perfect, I don't support doing it with anybody else either.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:49 PM
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21. This was expected of a Senator of Louisiana, but not the two from Hawaii.
Focus on the two turncoats from Hawaii, instead.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:52 PM
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23. Expelled from the Senate: NO
the Dem party can stop her from caucusing with them but that ain't going to happen. Some news: Any Senator from LA is going to be in big oil's pocket. Breaux was. Good luck on getting a candidate to oppose her in 08, not a big field of liberal Dems in LA.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 05:00 PM
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25. well, today it is Mary Landreau who should be expelled, not Lieberman
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 05:01 PM by WI_DEM
who next? Inouye? Nelson of Nebraska? Biden? Nelson of Florida?
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 05:02 PM
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26. She's up for election
in 2008. She's goin to have a tough time anyways.

If there are any progressive Dems in La, I hope they run against her in the primaries. Granted, I'm not sure a more progessive Dem would even win, but at this point it really doesn't matter cuz she's being a turncoat on almost every issue.
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