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MikeG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:25 PM Original message |
Raising the minimum wage to $10/hr would solve SS "crisis." |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm sure raising the minimum wage would raise more FICA taxes... |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. It would also increase unemployment |
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MikeG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Spare me the BS. |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. No BS |
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MikeG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. You would if you needed the work done. See how it works? |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. No |
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MikeG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Like doing it yourself? |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:48 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Not only myself |
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MikeG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Minimum wage means NO ONE makes less than $10/hour. |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Not so simple |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
84. Don't bother explaining it |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. You're right |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. Neither the fact that inflation and unemployment issues are involved in |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. So... |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:43 PM Response to Reply #96 |
118. You would have to be pretty stupid to think otherwise... |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #118 |
170. The problem with having offset incentives is that it likely |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #170 |
174. but the capitalist system has a built in need for a minimum, |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:03 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Not building fortune on their backs |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:41 PM Response to Reply #102 |
131. Why don't you just tell them to eat cake, while you're at it? |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:56 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. I'm not talking about minimum wage |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:07 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. The minimum wage is not a living wage anywhere. |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:15 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Need is relative |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #140 |
167. no, need is not relative... |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. I'm talking for need for employees, not people's needs |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. Is it that easy for you to make a distinction... |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. Working to move up |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #178 |
181. No I am NOT missing the point... |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #181 |
182. I'm offering jobs--not putting them on the street |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #182 |
189. You were the one who brought up $6/hr |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #189 |
191. You keep lowering the amount |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 06:05 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. Good.. |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 04:50 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. $10 per Hour |
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YIMA (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 05:11 PM Response to Reply #183 |
187. I'm with you Dr Ron |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. It's also a matter of politics |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 05:49 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. That is a gross conceptual error... |
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YIMA (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. Tell ya what..... |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:16 PM Response to Reply #193 |
203. That is his only option |
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Nikepallas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:54 AM Response to Reply #93 |
162. Well put!!!! (Thom1102) |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #84 |
103. I understand as I've seen this happen before - |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. Exactly |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #84 |
200. You people are always looking |
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trogdor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
94. If that were true... |
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Jackie97 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
160. Yeah, get a machine to replace your worker..... |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Boo hoo |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Who's screwing anyone? |
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MikeG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Not if the going rate is $10/hr. |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. But the going rate is well under $10 per hour |
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MikeG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Get by without them now. |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Why? |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Is it a living wage? |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. They aren't necessarily living off of it |
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Jackie97 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:40 AM Response to Reply #31 |
161. That's not completely true. |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
121. And unemployment is better than being "exploited", right? |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:22 PM Response to Reply #121 |
143. So should we assume |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. Check the content of my post again. I indicated the opposite. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 10:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
201. In California |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
136. So now you're trying to tell us that you're employing them |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:12 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. No, not charity |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. If a person can't meet their basic needs |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Not all are heads of households |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Do the research |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I'm purely speaking of my situation |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. The vast majority of people making the min wage... |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. But not all are |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. $10/hr is what is widely considered a living wage... |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. So I'd do them a favor by firing them? |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. First of all... |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. I guess I should just fire them |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. No, you should just pay them an appropriate wage.. |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Not worth it to me |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Then that is between you and your conscience |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:18 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Not a matter of dong anyone favors |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. The job experience argument is total BS |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. No pay ok--low pay not? |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #90 |
126. The point is that minimum wage should be a floor, |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #126 |
133. Internships aren't the only investment in one's future |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:25 AM Response to Reply #133 |
154. And your way is a form of exploitation. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #154 |
171. Exploit: to make use of meanly or unjustly |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 03:10 PM Response to Reply #171 |
176. That is right wing Limbaugh propoganda... |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #176 |
184. But the issue there is not the workers being exploited it is |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
85. Question |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Bite me! Don't have to own a business |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #88 |
98. OK |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #98 |
119. No, |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. In Post 93 you seem to say otherwise... |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:20 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. I am a partner in a real estate management company... |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #128 |
134. Nice to say this in principle |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:18 AM Response to Reply #134 |
152. like I said... |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 01:30 PM Response to Reply #134 |
166. Besides, how are we any better |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:35 PM Response to Reply #128 |
145. but... |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:21 AM Response to Reply #145 |
153. My point is... |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:36 AM Response to Reply #153 |
159. No work is worth less than a living wage? |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 01:26 PM Response to Reply #159 |
165. Am I morally compelled to refuse the man’s offer ... |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 04:55 PM Response to Reply #165 |
185. I disagree. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
100. Unless you run a business, you are in no position to lecture on operations |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:28 PM Response to Reply #100 |
129. Fine... |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #100 |
142. I run a small business, and I am fully in support of a $10/hour |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. There are hundreds of thousands of small businesses that can't keep up |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #88 |
172. You are limited in your understand of this issue because |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #172 |
177. Perhaps you should spend a little more time in the |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #177 |
186. Given that a business is in a competitive environment |
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MadisonProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
63. Especially when the repugs think they should also be saving |
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Progressive420 (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
66. I've got to stand up for Dr Ron here I know what raising the minimum |
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CabalPowered (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Right behind you.. |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. I'm glad you added this |
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CabalPowered (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #81 |
110. Automation will eventually surpass outsourcing as a threat to labor in US |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Employees and Democrats need to learn |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Democrats should take the side of the small businessman(woman). |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:34 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. I agree |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. However, most small business people are Republicans. |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. That's something we need to change n/t |
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American Tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
197. I'm with you as well on this. |
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JHBowden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Open an economic text. |
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MikeG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. I have. Only conservative economists believe that. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
95. Small rises in the minimum wage don't do much. Doubling it would. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. Agreed (nt) |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
105. Nonsense |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. What business are you in? All those other 10.00 an hour peopel might buy |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. At that rate,you'd find your business increasing so quickly |
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itwasfraud04 (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
76. Sounds the same as what * said about tax cuts |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
168. No - |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. If we all made what corporate CEO's make ... |
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MikeG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. $10/hr vs. Corporate CEO pay is a large gulf, don't you think? |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. A pretty disgusting |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. It certainly is. |
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MAlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
55. and if there were no scarcity, no government would be necessary |
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JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
8. Put people back to work |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. "End the Republican ban on domestic hiring." |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
21. There should be two minimum wages |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. And a salary cap |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Perhaps in principle, but difficult to define |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 01:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Lots of questions about this... |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Sure there are questions |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Okay, I understand a bit better now... |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. What if the person under 18 isn't in school because |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. We're talking about MINIMUM wages |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. But if the minimum wage is set to allow for exploitation to occur... |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. READ |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Yea, and like I said... |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Ok. I'm not arguing that they should NOT be fair |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I did, and yes it is unfair... |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Are you a teenager? /nt |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. No, far from it... |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:38 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Well, if we are discussing a minimum wage |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. It is not exploitation to pay a boywho is less than 17 |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Ok, then lets pay women less then men... |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Slippery slope |
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thom1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. Not a slippery slope... |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Yes I have answered that question |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. A few answers... |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. A few more questions |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Again, we are talking about minimums, not maximums |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
97. I do not think it is discriminatory to pay someone more if |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. Let me repeat my idea |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:18 PM Response to Reply #106 |
127. I understand now... |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. Apparently some people aren't aware that we ALREADY have age based wages |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
125. Who decides what "skilled" means? |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:03 PM Response to Reply #125 |
137. That could be your job |
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fat free goodness (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:17 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. That would take some skill! |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
45. Why only $10 hour? |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. I lived in SF |
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2diagnosis (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. The minimum wage should morally start at about $45/hour. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #61 |
99. Many unskilled jobs don't deserve such a wage. |
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2diagnosis (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:44 PM Response to Reply #99 |
132. Who are you to say what they "deserve" ? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 11:07 PM Response to Reply #132 |
148. $45 an hour would cause hyperinflation on a massive scale. |
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2diagnosis (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Thank You for the response, |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:07 AM Response to Reply #150 |
155. You ask anyone who knows anything about economics. |
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2diagnosis (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 12:09 PM Response to Reply #155 |
164. Princeton University economists |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:16 PM Response to Reply #164 |
194. What you are suggesting is a minimum wage that is |
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2diagnosis (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. Please give us your minimum wage number that is at the perfect |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. I don't know what value it is |
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2diagnosis (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:00 PM Response to Reply #199 |
202. Cute-"the elasticity of labor is more elastic.." |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 12:35 AM Response to Reply #202 |
207. I didn't remember off hand whether greater elasticity had |
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2diagnosis (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 03:26 AM Response to Reply #207 |
208. ribbed or non-ribbed? nt |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
108. Actually it should be $1000/hour |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 07:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
144. I think I read somewhere that a living wage in SF is $25/hr |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:12 AM Response to Reply #144 |
157. I would not be totally opposed to that. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
46. If they vote to raise the minimum wage, it is the law of the land.... |
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B0S0X87 (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
175. He might not be able to afford the price increase in wages. |
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MAlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
57. Or it would increase unemployment |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. worker training programs to increase people's skills ?? |
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MAlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. they can only ship jobs overseas that other countries can do better |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I don't think that is necessarily true... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
67. Or perhaps the Easter Bunny could solve the problem |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Of course |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. You are not an unbiased voice |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Adding exceptions is a whole different story |
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RUMPLEMINTZ (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. Dr. Ron, I agree with you. |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. You would'nt have to |
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RUMPLEMINTZ (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:41 PM Response to Reply #104 |
117. I realized that |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
101. ok :) /nt |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:41 PM Response to Reply #82 |
116. Another aspect to consider - |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:56 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. Agree |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
109. Back To Reality |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
124. No. Don't raise the minimum wage. LOWER the living wage. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 11:08 PM Response to Reply #124 |
149. I fully support that. If we lower living costs, higher wages aren't needed |
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Pushed To The Left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 01:33 AM Response to Reply #124 |
151. I like that idea! |
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CAcyclist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-04-05 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
130. Awesome idea! |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
156. Not so sure about that - |
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Jackie97 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
158. No, it wouldn't. |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #158 |
179. Agreed |
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2diagnosis (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 03:31 AM Response to Reply #179 |
209. "SS is easy just repeal the tax cuts.." ? |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-06-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #209 |
211. No, but they can |
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BL611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #158 |
180. Agreed |
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brindis_desala (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
163. We cannot look at issues like SS in a vacuum. |
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BornaDem (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
195. How? |
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American Tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-05-05 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
198. My greatest fear is that only huge corporations could afford it |
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205. Trickle down economics don't work |
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206. How does one "enforce a trickle down market?" |
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