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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 07:57 AM
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Paula Zahn did a segment last night titled "Porn Patriot" about a guy...
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 08:11 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
who hosts many porn sites on the web including one of his own wife that he manages and he said that he now also works for the government taking down terrorist sites...WTF?

are they trying to sheild the Gannon porn thing ....is this an attempt to soften us up into believing that this is a normal and quite acceptable practice for our government?

i just found this segment to be very strange given the Gannon thing...did anyone else see it and feel the same?
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 08:02 AM
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1. porn and terrorism
isn't that a theme for Fox's new reality show? Osama Wives Swap? Money shot does not bring to mind terrorism.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 08:02 AM
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2. yep
Yep, that's what it is.

Now remember that Bushco completely controls the message of the MSM, so a news network showing an all-American, terrorist-hating, porn-loving and exploiting family is OK, AS LONG AS THEY'RE REPUBLICANS.

IOKIYAR.

Sue
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 08:04 AM
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3. AG Gonzo's first target is supposed to be "indecency..."
Yet, there's Guckert and now this guy working with the WH. The hypocrisy is stark - oh, what will we tell the children???

:puke:
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 08:13 AM
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4. oh, what will we tell the children???
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 08:17 AM by Freedom_from_Chains
No reason to worry about the children. None of them we at risk to see a tit or any other such travesty.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:17 AM
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7. OMG
That is the funniest pic of the Bush-morph-chimp. Where did you get that, may I ask?
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 08:22 AM
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5. Actually I heard about that guy doing that well over a year ago..
..before Gannon even hit the radar. Them reporting on it now may be a case of softening the subject, but the story itself is not new.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 08:27 AM
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6. do you have a source/link?....i never heard it & i'm pretty news savvy...
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 09:14 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
really more of a news junkie and i don't recall ever hearing about this

i did hear about a guy who runs a homeless shelter in Texas who surfs the net for terrorist sites and has them shut down but never "porno Patriots"
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 09:51 AM
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8. No, I don't...I also don't think it was labed as "porno patriots"..
..back when I first heard about it. It wasn't something that was super publicized or anything and I think the government didn't want anything to do with it.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 01:36 PM
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11. Al Qaeda: Hacker Wars & Porno Patriots
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 01:55 PM by IanDB1
Al Qaeda: Hacker Wars & Porno Patriots
by Joe Katzman at July 31, 2002 11:25 AM


Winds of Change talked about "Al-Qaeda and Cyber Attacks" back in June. Now James Robbins has a great post up on National Review Online.
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/2002_06_23_woc.html#78316276

It goes into more detail about the infrastructure issue, and also notes that there's something of a cyber-militia afoot.

"A case in point: Anyone who tries to find the official al Qaeda website Alneda (the Call) via its most recent IP address 65.216.200.41 is greeted by a screen proclaiming "Hacked, tracked, and NOW owned by the U.S.A." This is one of the several initiatives pursued by Jon David, an adult-content webmaster who has made it his mission to frustrate the online jihadists. The "porno patriot" uses sophisticated software to seize web domains when they move between hosts.... In the case of Alneda, David hijacked the domain name, put up a mirror of the original site as it appeared in June, then logged hits to the decoy site for five days using tracking software. Once the terrorists caught on that this was not their resurrected Alneda, word got out — but not before over 20,000 hits per day were tracked and the information turned over to the authorities."

As James points out, we invented this stuff. You want to play online, Osama? Bring it on.

UPDATE: Someone pointed me to Glenn Reynold's priceless comment on the Jon David angle: "porno patriots: bringing Islamic terrorists to their knees." Oh, my - there's a mental picture and a half. Alas, Instaman also has a less happy story to report. The cluelessness of the FBI continues to astound.
http://www.instapundit.com/archives/002677.php#002677

UPDATE #2: John Hawkins at Right Wing News scooped us all, and interviewed Jon David himself.
http://www.rightwingnews.com/#85299862

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.windsofchange.net/windsopcentre-cms/mt-tb.cgi/293

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:39 AM
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9. Corporate values include porning the wife and attacking a label
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 10:54 AM
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10. Hey CNN -- "Gannon" was a prostitute, not a porn star
Big difference between the two, namely that the former is illegal.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 01:44 PM
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12. More about "The Porno Patriot"
Edited on Thu Mar-03-05 01:55 PM by IanDB1
The Jihad Online
Mouse clicking your way to martyrdom.

You're you an Islamicist with a computer and some spare time? Do you want to contribute to the jihad against the Crusaders but can't quite make the commitment to fly into buildings or strap on a bomb? Do you "solemnly swear to use your talents only to destroy the Jews with God as your witness?" Then you are just the kind of person being sought to join the "Arab Electronic Jihad Team" (AEJT), a recently announced terrorist initiative preparing to bring the web to its knees. The AEJT seeks to bring down all websites in the U.S. and Israel, all web servers, and "all web sites that members agree on destroying." The leader of the team has chosen not to erect a website of his own, "so that nobody can attack it and thus remain the invisible hand that defeats the enemy without it knowing where these attacks are coming from." He appeals especially for "members who are advanced in the art of hacking" to "teach us some methods they see as useful." The wily and elusive cyberterrorist — whose day job seems to be running a car dealership in Syria — asks prospective members to send him an e-mail to sign up. I'm guessing he will be contacted by those advanced in the art of hacking, but maybe not in the way he expects.

The cyberterror threat is real, and involves activities far more dangerous than simply hacking websites. The Critical Infrastructure Protection Board (CIPB), which was established last October to coordinate public and private infrastructure-security programs, reports that browsers from the Mideast are probing American electric, water, and energy systems, and seem especially interested in gaining access to nuclear-power plants. Defensive measures are complicated by the lack of standard network architecture, which increases the probability of terrorists finding an exploitable seam. The CIPB has rated al Qaeda's current cyber-capabilities as fairly low, though a recent message from bin Laden spokesman Abu Leith al-Libi, posted on the Canadian-based anti-American site, jihadunspun.com, announced " the extension of the war to include new attacks on the enemy's weak infrastructure."

More:
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins073002.asp

They are also discussing it on the freeper board, too.
....focus/news/724763/posts

To: DaveCooper
BUMP! This is one of NRO's better and more relevant link pieces.

On a related subject: The Washington Post today had a big story on the tardiness of our own FBI in exploiting a potential windfall of the co-option of the Aneda.com site by a Maryland man... who never got any aggressive or decisive response out of the FBI. Anyone get any leads on this type of stuff maybe should be turning it over to the CIA or maybe the NSA. This is the kind of thing that would be right up their alley, at least from a technical standpoint.
5 posted on 07/30/2002 1:18:14 PM PDT by Paul Ross

More:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21548-2002Jul30.html


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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 01:53 PM
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13. Cable/RW has love-hate relationship with Sex/Violence in the media:
They depend on the public sense of outrage over porn in order to convince people that it shouldn't be on broadcast TV. That way can then justify charging people for cable TV which has a great deal of it (on shows like Silk Stalkings in the early 90s, Taxi Cab confessions in late '90s, Sex in the City, Sopranos, Oz, etc.). It's the same thing with pay radio -- they spent a year treating Stern like he was too bawdy for free radio and now he's going to be on pay radio. If even MORE people were going to hear him, the FCC wouldn't care. The FCC doesn't care about limiting access. What they care about is people paying as much money as possible for everything. What matters is that you had free TV & radio, and now you have people paying monthly fees in order to get their raunch and violence, which the FCC successfully ghettoized.

If the FCC and the RW and the MSM weren't such prisses, we'd just be like France, Germany and Britain: we'd have a watershed, and, for a long time, a lower rate of cable penetration year over year (and I'm talking about cable, as in TV).

The bottom line: CNN needs to both ghettoize Sex and Violence by condemning it and legitimizing it at the same time. They don't want people to hate it so much that they won't subscribe to HBO. Ie, they want people to think it has not place in the PUBLIC, SHARED discourse. They don't want people to feel like they should be able to consume it easily, but they want to make sure that people want to know where to go to get it.

This story in the OP does that nicely. This guy does porn on the side, but he's also a patriot. That kind of sound likes the way Time-Warner probably construes its own mission. CNN is a public service, fighting terror by constantly talking about it, but they have their Sex and Violence on the side over there on HBO, where everybody can get what they need, for a monthly fee.

U! S! A!
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 06:50 PM
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14. Is anything the repubs do surprising anymore?
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