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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:23 AM
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When a government is corrupt and there is no legal recourse for the people
then the people must take power into their own hands!

Our government has been totally corrupted and usurped by greedy, self serving, and short sighted corporations. The three branches of goverment are controlled by republicans and the democrats are complicit.

The media is a extremely well controlled and coordinated propaganda machine at every level.

There is No justice. There is no majority rule.

My question is not what will it take to ignite the inevitable but when will the inevitable come to pass.

We are LONG PAST the need for justice. My prediction is that this year there will be a milestone event of some sort which will unite the poor and middle classes against this corrupt corporate duopoly. Whether it be so called s.s reform or some other cataclysmic event doesn't matter. There is an undercurrent of discontent foaming and it WILL erupt. Should that day come I fervently hope it brings change for the better and that there is no violence. I fear this may be just wishful thinking as my understanding of history and knowledge of the contempt these oligarchs have for the working poor makes me aware that there is no other effective alternative.

With that said I must now retire to the boudoir in order to get enough rest to get up tomorrow and work two jobs to pay for some corporate bailout or purchase some depleted uranium shells or pay for a junket for lieberman so he can join chimpy in a copromise while kenny boy still hasn't been tried and meanwhile the future of my children is being squandered by amoral sellouts in every strata of our culture.

Good night America
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:31 AM
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1. You are correct. We are a people without a country right now. nt
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:09 PM
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19. power is held by coporations and favors them --- not the people
the few players in govt in corp elite benefit


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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:32 AM
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2. Bread and circuses.

Keep them distracted with bread and circuses.
The only way to get the attention of these fat
and happy and lazy bastards is to take away
their bread and circuses.

That comes to pass, you might be onto something.
But until they are threatened personally, most
of these rat bastards couldn't give a shit about
anybody.



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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:35 AM
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3. I like your direct post...
I fear the inevitable but I will do everything in my power to accomplish the restoration of our democracy.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:41 AM
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4. It ends with a whimper.
They've spent the last 25 or so years building SWAT teams and heavily arming local police to prevent disruptions of the corporate state. Don't expect much serious resistance.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:28 AM
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6. Yeah it is really too bad
That liberals helped them by trashing the 2nd Amend.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:49 AM
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7. Wrong.
If anything the situation is made worse by the gunmonkeys because overcoming a heavily armed group would require much more firepower than if the group is not heavily armed. Thus the buildup.

The 2nd Amendment provides for a militia. Nothing to trash about that.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 01:52 AM
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8. Yea and besides that
It makes things so much eaiser if they are not armed at all.

Geeze son, wake up and smell the coffee.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 07:56 AM
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11. Why not elaborate instead of this hit and run post?
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 07:58 AM by Q
What have 'liberals' done to trash the 2nd Amendment? Seems like it's alive and well to me. I wish we could say the same about the REST of the Bill of Rights.

It's telling that your only complaint is about the 2nd amendment...when the Bushie right has literally pissed on the rest of the Constitution in order to establish their power base in Washington.

It's an ugly thing to understand that some people are quite happy living in a fascist state as long as they can have their guns. But doesn't it take more than guns to live in a free nation?
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:27 AM
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12. It's telling that your only complaint is about the 2nd amendment
Then it is quite obvious that you have not read any of my other posts on this site.

Talk about innuendo and hit and run; better take a look in the mirror.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 09:31 AM
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13. A truth no American is willing to admit...
We are living in a police state. Just try to seriously resist anything this government does, and see where you end up. We can talk here and even march in the streets, sometimes, but there is a certain line yo had better not cross or you will see force like in no other fascist regime you have ever read about.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:06 PM
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18. EXACTLY Kentuck....maybe he has never heard about Ruby Ridge
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:28 AM
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25. I Admit It
You're correct, kentuck.
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 07:30 AM
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31. Hmmm...
You say you are allowed to march and then complain a few words later that only "sometimes." I am afraid there is no where on this planet you can do whatever you want whenever you want to do it. You still must obey the laws. If you want to march get a permit. If you want to march down the busiest street in NY city during rush hour, to bad. Notice all the protest lately. All been peaceful without problems.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 10:16 AM
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14. So did the Israelis.
If it comes down to it Democrats may end up just like the Palistinians. Suicide bombing may become commonplace in Amerika also.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:44 AM
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5. Hope you feel better after getting some sleep
Bitterness is our enemy.

Hold onto the light.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:11 AM
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9. 2006
If the voting machines don't favor the Rethugs maybe a turn around in Congress would help.
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:57 AM
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15. I slept a total of 4 and a half hours only to awaken to more of the same.
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 11:57 AM by In Truth We Trust
The corrupt chimp still plays at being a president and the vile media is still ignoring reality. I hear Michael Jackson is being tried while no one in CMSM speaks of all the scandals and lies.

Is it bitterness or is it outrage? Shall I drink from the koolaid and stick my head in the sand or shall I acknowledge what is going on?

The light from which you speak is a ever diminishing flicker. I do appreciate your optimism though and I sincerely hope that we will prevail soon.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 06:52 AM
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10. The trifecta
Edited on Tue Mar-01-05 06:52 AM by depakid
Economic collapse - disasterous war - pandemic or major environmental disaster.

I'd say the odds on that happening in the next decade are whole lot better than hitting one with ponies at Santa Anita.
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 06:40 AM
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29. agreed
all it's going to take is the creditors overseas calling in our debts and switching to euros and we're done. we have no family farms to fall back on this time around.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:01 PM
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16. MUST read Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by J Perkins...
and Hey Rude by Hunter S Shompson
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:09 PM
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20. absolutely
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 08:56 PM
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23. Thanks for the suggestions, I will take you up on that.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 12:05 PM
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17. Will Agent Mike freak out if I post this?
Declaration of Independence : July 4, 1776


When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident:

That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and, when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them, and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing, with manly firmness, his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining, in the mean time, exposed to all the dangers of invasions from without and convulsions within.

He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.

He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies, without the consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the military independent of, and superior to, the civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution and unacknowledged by our laws, giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us;

For protecting them, by a mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states;

For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world;

For imposing taxes on us without our consent;

For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury;

For transporting us beyond seas, to be tried for pretended offenses;

For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries, so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these colonies;

For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments;

For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation, and tyranny already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow-citizens, taken captive on the high seas, to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.

He has excited domestic insurrection among us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions.

In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms; our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in our attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them, from time to time, of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity; and we have conjured them, by the ties of our common kindred, to disavow these usurpations which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too, have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity which denounces our separation, and hold them as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name and by the authority of the good people of these colonies solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British crown and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that, as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.

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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 04:59 PM
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21. Excellent Jacobin! Thanks for the reminder. How incredibly similar
the charges of the two King george's. One of whom though however is a complete fraWD.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 08:33 AM
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32. You must be some sort of LIBERAL! Why do you hate America?
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 05:07 PM
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22. Take a little break from thinking about it...
Sometimes I just have to tune out for a few days to ground myself. It's depressing living in such dark times, during the decline - waiting for the fall.
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bywho4who Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-01-05 11:34 PM
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24. This is why
I own GUNS! just like dinner come&get it:nuke:
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:50 AM
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26. "The revolution will not be televised"
To the contrary, it will be blogged.
Random thoughts in the late evening:
-The fun of being old enough to remember the 1960s. Better protest music.
-Lemme see, too poor to buy Euros or gold, should invest in ammo and garden plants/seeds.
-WHO says avian flu may jump species leading to pandemic.
-Ritter says BushCo will bomb Iran in June.
-Government owned by corps.

Why am I in this handbasket and where are we going?
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 06:49 AM
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30. also...
- mad cow disease runs rampant because the usda inspections are a joke
- new virulent strain of AIDs and no known cure
- nobody believes the global warming warnings
- missing nuclear materials around the world
- 12 million containers per year entering our ports and nobody is really inspecting them
- any sailboat can go wherever and the captain can present all the passports for his/her passengers without them even being present... and this is standard operating procedure in the caribbean, apparently
- Castro ain't gonna sit quietly down there forever
- meanwhile, we can watch the jobs go overseas while these corporate thieves steal ala Enron
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:16 AM
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27. kick
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 05:41 AM
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28. In Truth We Trust
And the Truth shall set us free.
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Discord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 08:34 AM
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33. just a small passage from a little known document...
<SNIP>
--Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security--- <SNIP>

I sincerely hope that many of you know the source of this text...

For in this dark time... this passage now holds more relevance than ever in the history of this country since it's inception. It was this one paragraph in which my "sig" was in referance to.
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:28 AM
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34. Thank You, Discord
And welcome to DU!
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