Please explain why conservative multi-millionairs are worried about

[hector459]

Social Security for their "children?" Everytime I hear somone speak in unrefuted support of the President's plan on Social Security it's some CEO or Wall Street type who is a multi-millionaire talking about "saving Social Security for THEIR children." Give me a break! Does anyone ever call these pigs on their hypocrisy and deceit? Prentending to be concerned about THEIR children's future? All they have to do is increase their trust fund and shut the hell up!!

[Anakin Skywalker]

1. I Cannot Explain Conservative/Capitalist Lies!

I am sorry. :)

And all your points are right on!

[applegrove]

2. Are you sure they are millionaires and not just paid mouthpieces?

For sure some reforms may help - but it is hard to judge when Bush & co. hide the plan from all of us and increase unresolved anxiety (which creates a need for 'resolution' inside of us). There are many ways to take advantage of the market & stocks - with tax breaks if you invest in your retirement on top of SS. Canada does that and people invest as much as they can every year. It works great. Since it is their own savings - the government doesn't touch it - except when it comes time to take the money out of the Retired Savings Account. Then you pay taxes on the money you took out according to your income tax rate at the time.

Bush & co do not want this solution because they want tax reform and a sales tax to replace income tax (ergo the supplemental private savings account based on income tax incentives does not work). Or something!!

This Bush way of initiating the debate and then not resolving it by releasing 'no details' so you could not sink your teeth in one way or another - is brilliant. It also gets people to argue that SS doesn't need to be touched. Well every administration has worries about the future and the ratio of workers to users for SS. So some combination of things should be done to shore it up and prepare it for the future.

It would also be good to know just 'how low' Bush thinks bonds will be in their growth in the next 50 years (will US economy mature and seize up - ergo you will not even get a 3% rate on US Government bonds?). We need more information. And as long as they can EMOTIONALLY AROUSE Americans and not provide them with a solution or ideas ... the more tensions and faulty assumptions they can get people to jump onto (you are less rational when you act on your emotions and not a sober review of the numbers). Right now some people trust Bush so little that they say there is "no problem with SS". Well there is in the future because of numbers of retirees vs workers (at least Bush & co cannot hide those figures from us). And every Western Nation has taken measures (usually private savings plans on top of SS) to reduce the stress on the system when the boomers retire. To say it is a CRISIS? Well I would need to see the Bush numbers on that. Which Bush will never give out until Karl has good and stirred the pot and had folk under enough low anxiety for long enough that they get tired and apathetic or something.

The goal is Apathy IMHO

[FreedomAngel82]

9. I agree with you

It's so funny how during the election people always said they had no idea what Kerry's plans were. He had out a pretty thick book and plans on his website and talked about them at campaign tour's and stuff like that. I hardly knew what Bush was going to do except I knew he would do more of Iraq and the same type of policies he's done before. I haven't heard much about this SS plan. I was watching a little bit of Joe Scarborough last night and they talked about the AARP ads and had actually two democratic people and one republican. I was shocked! They had Rachel from "Unfilitered" and some other guy. I can't remember his name and then some woman who you knew was very pro-Bush. Bush still can't sell his plan either. He doesn't even know what he's talking about so how am I supposed to trust his plan?

[bobbieinok]

11. GOAL IS APATHY AND CONFUSION

[ComerPerro]

3. They aren't. Once again, its just feigned outrage

and fake sincerity.

They don't worry about their children not getting Social Security. They just don't want to pay taxes on it, even thought it caps out at $80k.

Its the same as everything else with conservatives.

They don't care about the unborn, they don't care about 9/11 victims, they don't care about the troops in Iraq or Afghanistan, and they certainly don't give a shit about the Iraqi people.

[chieftain]

4. They are afraid that someone , somewhere , someday is going

to get some of their precious money . That at base is what motivates Republicans .

[hector459]

7. You mean money they took from or were given by other people?

You mean all that "unearned income?" You that shill game of pretending that the so-called "death tax" (inheritance tax) affects only about 5% of the people? You mean money that was earned in CEO salaries for all that hard work of flying around the world in corporate jets and leaning over a desk just before going to exercise room? You mean the money that suckers willingly give to these scoundrels through pension fund, stock brokerage fees, and political contributions?

[chieftain]

8. Yes all that and the salaries for CEO's and other execs

that are exponentially higher than those of their workers that they have yet to lay off by sending their jobs to India . And the money bled from working people by credit card companies using exhorbitant finance charges and hidden fees that would embarrass a loan shark . And of course the non taxed inheritances that prove to these shallow self satisfied plutocrats that they are chosen by God and the poor live the way they do because the're bad .
W and the Republican Party are waging a successful class war on the rest of the country and what the damn fools fail to understand is that much of their continued wealth is dependent upon a strong middle class which they are hell bent on eradicating .

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Exactly

I've never seen so much greed. Listening to them talk it's all about me me me me me. I know what to do with my money. I know how to better invest in my money then the government. Ugh. Whatever happened to helping the elderly and poor? Oh right. That's so last century. :eyes: And here I thought these people were Christians. Uh huh. God doesn't like greedy people. Nor does Jesus. Just look in the Bible.

[K-W]

5. POWER POWER MORE POWER GIVE ME MORE POWER

I think thats something at least similar to thier thought processes.

[Canuckistanian]

6. Imagining being poor, to them, is like imagining being a Martian

Never going to happen, but they have all kinds of theories.

[hector459]

12. I wish some townhaller would ask how the plan will affect the children

of the next CEO, making over 5 million/year. Just ask, "what will your children need with social security anyway?" "You mean, you are willing to take from a system that helps the most needy when you don't even need the money?"