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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:18 PM
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Bush approval plunges in new Gallup poll, confirming the AP poll
Fathead John Fund was blowing off the recent AP poll, well how will he explain this?

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:25 PM
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1. I figured that one poll was a complete outlier
But even if it wasn't, after the Bush budget details came out people probably realized that they are going to be royally screwed.
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:25 PM
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2. Uh-oh. Time for another "Pearl Harbor"? n/t
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:32 PM
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7. "TRIFECTA" is the term Dubya used last time around.
pnorman
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:33 PM
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8. Sadly,
we'll be back at code orange by next week.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:06 PM
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20. Gee I wonder where Pearl Harbor will be this time
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 04:54 PM
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31. I was thinking that.
He really had it "going on" right after 9/11, didn't he? Best thing that could have happened to him. Asshole.
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:28 PM
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3. He wont have to. No one will bother to ask about this in the MSM.
When was the last time that anyone was even critical of this jackass? I would guess that if it ever gets brought up, either:
1. They will continue to use the positive #'s- until newer positive #'s come out.
2. They will question the methodology, without actually telling the audience why they question it.


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:29 PM
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4. The same way that he explained away
...the fact that he dated his ex-girlfriend's daughter, for whom he used to babysit, and knocked the girl up, as well as around, and told her to abort, even though he is a 'pro-lifer.'

He'll call the new poll a liar who is out to destroy him.

It's what they do, they of no personal responsibility or accountability!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:57 PM
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18. John Fund did those things????
I don't doubt you, but how can he be credible if all of that is true?

This is the first time I've heard any of that.

I read the WSJ daily and I've never seen a mention of it. ;)
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:06 PM
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21. WSJ is not the only media that Fund utilizes
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:12 PM
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23. I know...
...I was just being a smart arse.

He's on news programs quite a bit.

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:40 PM
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30. I need to check that arse of yours to see how smart it is
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:24 PM
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24. Here are a few links!!!!
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20020116Editors.html

Snippet: In early September of last year, John Connolly broke a story concerning Ms. Pillsbury's pregnancy by Fund during the peak of "Lewinsky-Mania". The article was accompanied by a Windows Media recording of a phone conversation between Ms. Pillsbury and Fund, whose audacious caddishness defies description.

He even made the DU top ten list: http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/02/56.html
John Fund
And finally: John Fund, the ultraconservative who famously and continuously attacked Bill Clinton for his lack of morals, managed to top the chart way back in Idiots 35 after it was disclosed that he had encouraged his pregnant ex-girlfriend to get an abortion. But Fund, who apparently considers himself to be a bit of an expert on the difference between right and wrong, managed to top himself last week - he was arrested and charged with assault. Turns out that he had a bit of a tiff with the aforementioned ex-girlfriend, Morgan Pillsbury, which resulted in a bruised leg for Morgan and a trip downtown for John. Tut tut. I'm sure it says somewhere in Mr. Fund's Conservative Values Handbook that kicking people doesn't solve anything. Did we mention that John is twenty years older than Morgan and used to baby-sit her? Of course, that was during the time he was banging her mom. Not that that's got anything to do with the assault charge of course, but we wouldn't want to leave anything out. See you next week!

See, the evil empire can make shit disappear. They just talk over the reality until they drown it out.

They made the ruthlesspeople.com website go away, and weaselsearch, which had the TAPES--and oh, those tapes were something to hear, is gone as well. You can see the shell of the first site at the wayback machine (right here, some of the links still work: http://web.archive.org/web/20021209035906/http://www.ruthlesspeople.com/index.html ) but it was something else when it was live--the nekkid pictures of Fund were enough to make one hurl!

The justice system, we see, is geared to the wealthy, the powerful, and the politically connected. Every time I see that Howdy Doody perv on the television I am astounded at his audacity, but then I realize who controls the media. MSNBC, especially, has NO shame at all!

There's more, google Morgan Pillsbury and John Fund. You have to dig, but do pass this around to anyone who mentions that turd's name. I do, simply because I don't think he should be permitted to rehabilitate himself so easily, the pig.

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:30 PM
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5. It was weird. Yesterday, at the beginning of Inside Politics, Judy
Woodruff said "our new poll has the Presidents approval rating at 49%, in line with other polls currently out". That was it - nothing else. No acknowledgment or mention of the new AP poll that came out. No other numbers given from whatever "new" poll they did. They didn't even mention what the disapproval number was.

It seemed very defensive and strange. There was certainly no hype or stories on it.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:31 PM
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6. What I Find Interesting Is How Polarized This Country Is....
And what I find discouraging is that even a minuscule advantage in sentiment gives the Pugs essential control over all three branches of government...
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:36 PM
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9. http://www.votetoimpeach.org
Join the over 485148
who have already voted in the referendum to Impeach Bush Now!
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:39 PM
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10. 49%...THAT'S a MANDATE if I've ever SEEN one!
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!USA!



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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:39 PM
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11. We have to start using the
term 'the unpopular President' and get that into the soundbites. Part of the framing issue, use words that are negative in relation to the administration and the GOP. His negatives haven't been below 40 in over a year and only a few months in the 30's before that. The idea that he is amiable and popular has to broken, it isn't supported by facts.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:01 PM
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28. Yes indeed! GREAT idea. Plant those seeds.
"Unpopular president." And REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEAT.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:42 PM
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12. Gallup was attempting to skew future numbers in their last poll maybe?
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:44 PM
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13. What differance does it make now? The election is over.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:47 PM
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14. The election is but not Bush's push for his regressive policies.
The poorer his approval rating becomes the less confident republicans will be that they can vote for Bush's regressive policies and still win re-election. They need the Bush to give them cover and he can't if his approval rating tanks.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:51 PM
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15. Yup. We can use this against him.
The AMERICAN PEOPLE don't BELIEVE IN his SS plan. So SCREW OFF YOU CORPORATE WHORE.

That's our spin. That's our truth.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:53 PM
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16. No coat tails to hang on to and no solid support to hang their hats on
Poll numbers mean something for sure. Why bother doing them if they didn't? They are the measure of his remaining "political capital" and his reserves are as much in danger as he wants to see Social Security be when he is done with it.

Without the numbers, he doesn't get to do squat. Lame Duck, anyone? I'm buying! LOL
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 05:55 PM
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17. It matters because if the Pubs in the House & en see him down
they'll be more likely to listen to their constituents than to shrub. His new budget, SS program, promise to veto anything that changess the medicare bill, and guest worker program are not popular with anybody!

If his rating was very high, the Congress would be more likely to side with his requests and pass them. When they're down, those folks will be much more concerned aobut re-election and not care if shrub likes it or not.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:08 PM
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22. Not just repugs...
also DINO's
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:01 PM
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19. Shall we take the NEW poll? GWII taking us in the "right" direction?
Sorry that can be answered in various ways.... but basically if it asks me do I approve, it is a resounding "no siree bob"


http://www.pollingpoint.com/polls.html

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borg5575 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:33 PM
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25. I wouldn't lend much credence to polls
These numbers go up and down. He was at 47% last May and it didn't stop him from getting back in there for four more years.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:57 PM
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26. It's Social Security
Talk about changing it makes people feel very insecure.

It really is fundamental to American society's sense of continuity and safety.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 06:58 PM
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27. The harder he pushes this social security scam, the lower those numbers
Will get. There's something refreshing about Dubya in a hole with a shovel, digging himself in deeper.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:58 PM
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29. Here is Rasmussen's numbers:
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