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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:28 AM
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The Simplest Way To Prove Social Security Privatization To Be A Disaster.
Tell the people to do a web search on the name of any Country that's tried it, along with the words, "social security privatization". They will then be able to read for themselves what a disaster it's been in every Country that it's been tried. The Right Wing Media Whores tout Chile, with numbers that end in 1996. If you can get people to look up the reality of the situation in Chile today, you've won the argument on this issue. Some Bush Bot called into the local AM Talk, and said "Under Brazil's private plan people get five times as much as under Social Security in the US." But if you do a search on, "brazil social security privatization" you see instantly what a lie that is. By the way, those touting "The Galveston Plan" do not mention that it has higher payroll taxes than Social Security, no cost of living adjustment, does not cover dependents, and they use numbers ending in 1999 to get the highest numbers possible. However, putting the lie to The Galveston Plan isn't as simple as a simple web search. Just remember, web search(country social security privatization).
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:38 AM
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1. brazil social security privatization
Edited on Sat Feb-05-05 11:47 AM by norml
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 01:59 PM
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2. argentina social security privatization
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:33 PM
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4. First page of results for "argentina social security privatization".
The Role of Social Security Privatization in Argentina
The Role of Social Security Privatization in Argentina's Economic Crisis.
By Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot <1>. April 16, 2002. In July ...
www.cepr.net/argentina_and_ss_privatization.htm - 48k - Cached - Similar pages

THE ROLE OF SOCIAL SECURITY PRIVATIZATION IN ARGENTINA’S ...
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Page 1. THE ROLE OF SOCIAL SECURITY PRIVATIZATION IN ARGENTINA’S ECONOMIC
CRISIS By Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot 1 April 16, 2002 ...
www.cepr.net/Argentina_and_SS_Privatization.pdf - Similar pages
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Social Security Privatization: Experiences Abroad
... Chile, the United Kingdom, Australia, Mexico, and Argentina. ... six aspects of the
privatization efforts that may have relevance for the Social Security debate in ...
www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1065&sequence=0 - 9k - Cached - Similar pages

Testimony on Social Security Privatization: Experiences Abroad
... saving are probably less in Mexico and Argentina than in Chile ... 1. See Congressional
Budget Office, Social Security Privatization: Experiences Abroad, CBO Paper ...
www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=1283&sequence=0 - 22k - Feb 4, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages
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edwardpig: Social Security: Lessons From Argentina
... Of course there were many causes for the meltdown, but one of the main triggers
was Argentina's Social Security privatization. According ...
edwardpig.typepad.com/edwardpig/ 2005/01/social_security.html - 20k - Cached - Similar pages

NCPA Social Security Issues
Social Security Issues. Social Security Privatization In Argentina. Among
the revolutionary reforms in Argentina in recent years is ...
www.ncpa.org/pi/congress/socsec/oct2196d.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages

Looting of Nations by Pension Privatization
... The partial privatization of Argentina's Social Security system in 1994 was a major
contributing factor in the explosive debt crisis, default, and economic ...
www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/site_packages/ ss_privatization/050115memo_experiments.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages

The Tony Show: Social Security
... The Role of Social Security Privatization in Argentina's Economic Crisis.
By Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot <1>. April 16, 2002. In July ...
www.thetonyshow.com/forum/forum_ posts.asp?TID=1121&PN=1&TPN=5 - 92k - Cached - Similar pages

Social Security Bulletin: Social Security Privatization in Latin ...
... Argentina has a mixed public/private system with ... face financial problems with social
security, many have ... possibility of introducing some form of privatization. ...
www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ mi_m6524/is_2_63/ai_68728702 - 27k - Feb 3, 2005 - Cached - Similar pages

Argentina Abandons Partial Privatization; To Go All the Way ...
... Six years after adopting partial Social Security privatization, Argentina's
center-left President Fernando de la Rua has announced the total replacement of ...
www.socialsecurity.org/daily/11-21-00.html - 23k - Cached - Similar pages


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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:06 PM
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3. Sweden, Bolivia, Britain and Chile
http://www.campaigndesk.org/archives/001284.asp

~snip~

-- Sweden turned to private accounts in 1991 after projections showed the system in place would eventually require a payroll tax of a staggering 36 percent. The country chose to maximize choice, but over time Swedish workers fled from so much freedom. At the start, two-thirds of Swedes patched together their own private accounts from a vast array of choices. But many got clobbered by an errant stock market, and by 2003, only eight percent of young Swedes were choosing to design their own portfolios. The government "wanted people to take control of their retirement, but people don't seem to be interested," says Annika Sunden, a Swedish pension expert.

-- In Bolivia, which adopted private accounts eight years ago, crippling transition costs have led to a doubling of the government's budget deficit, and the system has not been able to pay promised benefits.


-- In Britain, a social security overhaul in the late 1980s was so thoroughly botched that today "a lot of people look longingly at Social Security system," says Stephen Yeo, a pension consultant. Late last year, the Association of British Insurers mailed six million copies of a brochure with a photo of a smiling young woman on the cover -- and an advisory inside informing older people it had become "very unlikely" that the personal pensions they had chosen would match the modest payouts from a basic state pension.

-- In Chile, assets in private pension accounts amount to $54 billion, equal to almost two-thirds of annual gross domestic product. Plus, since the system was imposed "at the point of a bayonet" by dictator Gen. Augusto Pinochet in 1981, investors have benefited from high interest rates and a robust stock market. From 1981 through 1995, funds returned an average of nearly 13 percent a year. But since then, annual returns have dwindled to about 6.5 percent, and investment management fees of as much as 20 percent have "taken some of the glitter" off the rose. Furthermore, despite the program's relative success, there's widespread evasion; only 60 percent of workers contribute, and many who do underreport wages to avoid taxes.

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