Tinfoil hatters! Will the 2004 election be Bonesman vs. Bonesman?

[Silverhair]

John Kerry, also of Skull & Bones, has won in Iowa. Will he get the nod? Will it be Bonesman vs Bonesman? What does that mean? How do our resident tinfoil hatters see it?

[aquart]

1. Now that does make me ill.

I forgot about that.

[SpiralHawk]

2. "Boners uber Alles"

The insKrypTion in the Boner krYpt at the elite Eastern Ivy league School, where Connecticut native George W. Bush "matriculated" == so to speak == after having attended an elite Eastern boys Prep School where he failed to distinguish himself as a cheerleader.

Neat-O ! Elite-O !

[Andy_Stephenson]

5. GW's tomb name was

Temporary

[Andy_Stephenson]

3. If Kerry happens to score the nomination.

I don't know that I will be voting for president.


Edit: I will have to think long and hard on it before I do.

[Jackson Smith]

17. My thing is, Kerry went to Vietnam and put his life on the line.

Do you think that, as he turned his swiftboat around toward enemy fire and proceeded to face the enemy head on, that he was thinking about 'bonesmen'? lol

[oasis]

20. That was Kerry's double in 'nam. The real J.K. went skiing in Switzerland

with Klaus Barbee.

[Valjean]

45. Yeah just like ...

Yeah, just like Bush Sr "heroically" bailed out of his plane and was rescued in WWII. Of course we know now that his crewmate died because Bush jumped out of the plane pre-maturely.

<tinfoil>
Perhaps it was the "Bonesman" who got Kerry his Silver Star. After all, decorating your members as war heroes is an excellent way to help them along in public office. You don't think there were Bonesmen in the Pentagon????
</tinfoil>

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. ROFL!!! I'm gonna bookmark this and come back to it

I love a good fiction.

[Maddy McCall]

31. A riddle wrapped in enigma...

or whatever that old line is. :-)

[BeatleBoot]

6. Let's ask the voters in Iowa!

Oops, they didn't really give a shit about it either, did they?

Drats.

Maybe if we spoke about subjects that the voters really cared about...

You know, pertinent stuff.

HealthCare, Unemployment, Jobs Moving Overseas...

[lastknowngood]

9. Good selection of Dean points

[BeatleBoot]

10. Thanks.

:7

[Valjean]

46. They weren't told

They weren't told, were they? If this issue explodes, I think a LOT of Iowans will want their votes back.

After all, John Kerry doesn't go around bragging about being a member of Skull & Bones.

[Fla_Democrat]

7. Not to call him a Tinfoil Hatter

but there was a thread about this in the primary forum last night, now, where did I put that link......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=141900

Got locked at 80 replies, better luck to you. :evilgrin:

Oh, topic name was....... Congratulations Order of Skull and Bones! One of your own won Iowa! so maybe he has an opinion on the S&B issue.

[lastknowngood]

8. If it is what's the dif

n/t

[SeveneightyWhoa]

11. Can someone tell me what this means?

I know about the Skull & Bones thing.
But what about it makes this anything more than simple meaningless trivia? Why should an average American give a damn about these (seemingly) conspiratorial rantings?

[wyldwolf]

13. The average American doesn't ...

..give a damn about them.

Only a small minority of far leftwinger and rightwingers.

...or should I say - it isn't in their top 5 issues.

[seventhson]

15. Here's the dealyo on Skull

http://www.guerrillanews.com/counter_intelligence/doc808.html

The interviewee goes into great detail on WHY this is significant, how Skull is different from any other socalled fraternity (It is a secret order) and why the Kerry-Bush skull vs skull matchup SHOULD matter to the voters.

This has gotten almost NO media and is too obscure for most except die hard political researchers who care about these nefarious sociopolitical communities of the elites of the elites.

[Wonk]

18. And, from a more mainstream source (60 Minutes)...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/02/60minutes/main576332.shtml

[Loren645]

26. Kevin Phillips spends a lot of time on it.

Both in his book (American Dynasty) and in his book appearance
and on his website.

He seems to think it's very significant factor in the success
of anyone in it. It has big time ties to power/CIA/and the
military/industrial complex.

Oh, and to congress of course, and Kerry of course.

[Valjean]

33. Kerry can be a hero

If Skull & Bones is a harmless fraternity, than Kerry can become a hero by breaking with his oath to Skull & Bones and blowing the lid off this "harmless fraternity".

The truth is if this is harmless, Bonesman shouldn't be so secretive. They shouldn't threaten people who are trying to break their little circle of secrecy.

The idea that Skull & Bones has inspiration in the Bavarian Illuminati is telling considering what happened to the Bavarian Illuminati.

Beyond this, a president's oath should be the highest. I believe the American people should demand that presidents annul their oaths to any other society and pledge their COMPLETE loyalty to the American people and the Constitution. The president cannot serve two different masters.

So the other democrats should make Kerry choose between the Bonesman and the Constitution. He cannot faithfully serve both.

[Silverhair]

36. Excellent point about having the POTUS annul all other oaths.

I had originally meant this as a sort of humor post, to tweak the noses of the tinfoil hatters, yet I see that it has promoted and excellent, serious point. Thank You

[4dog]

21. why S & B is not exactly trivial

Skull and Bones counts some of the most powerful men in America as members, e.g., three generations of Bushes. If you can accept the idea that a few people in America are powerful enough to tell (or force) presidents what to do, you will get a glimpse of why people besides wingnuts are concerned. The continuity over generations helps solidify power.

The surprise Kerry jump seems to show hidden support or shenanigans. You can find more information on S & B through Google or at the following link

http://www.oilempire.us/kerry.html

[Walt Starr]

12. That would prove that democracy is dead

If that happens, the elitists have comepletely won.

[Jackson Smith]

16. Yes, Howard Dean is anything but an elitist.

The Yale/getting out of Vietnam/quitting Wall Street to go to medical school thing is so working class.


LOL

[Valjean]

34. Sorry but ...

Medical school is the most grueling regimen of work you can imagine. What medical interns go through is nothing short of indentured servitude.

I have a profound amount of respect for medical doctors. The fact that he had time to dabble in public policy is an indication of how brilliant the guy is.

[fla nocount]

14. Not just alums.....but neighbors on the "Hill"

Similar views on colonial aggression, filthy stinkin rich and neither has received an anthrax letter. Peas in a pod?

[genius]

19. Didn't you notice that the negativity didn't work in Iowa

Try a new approach.

[Silverhair]

25. That wasn't the reason for my post.

I have disdain for tinfoil hatters. I have debunked some of their favorite theories several times. So I though I would some fun with the conspiracy theorists that are so prominent on DU. I had posted this on the regular GD forum, but the mods shifted it to here, and not many tinfoil types hang out here.

No attack on Kerry was intended.

[Bush loves Jiang]

22. Hmmm...

Kerry and Dean are both from S&B and are both buddy-buddy with Jiang and Wen.

[redqueen]

43. Is Dean really S&B?

Naaah... Really?

[Loren645]

23. Not if we can help it and get Wes Clark nominated.

And lest anyone think the Yale/Bonesman connection is zany
stuff, Kevin Phillips discusses it at length. He's the
lifelong Republican who wrote American Dynasty, about the
Bush Klan.

Here's his website:
http://www.americandynasty.net/kp.htm

Exerpt:

"...If Samuel P. Bush made money and connections in World War I, which he did, Walker made more of each. Afterward, he was wooed in 1919 by Averell Harriman to run an ambitious set of investments about to be cobbled together in the postwar political maelstrom of 1920s Germany and Russia. Over two decades, father-in-law Walker helped steer Prescott Bush to the top of what became the Brown Brothers Harriman of midcentury rich, full of Yale Skull and Bonesmen, London-linked, politically influential, and intimately wired through several of its top partners to the postwar birthing of the CIA.
...
At Yale, ìt he most legendary of all college clubs was Skull and Bones. To be tapped by Bones in that era was akin to canonization....The clocks were set five minutes fast to symbolize that Bonesmen started life a leg up.
...
Friend and foe alike have tied success at the network's schools to three essential underpinnings: good family, good attitude (loyalty to the school and to oneís peers), and good skill at sports. Rough edges made for a poor fit. Prescott Bush (St. Georgeís 1913, Yale 1917, Skull and Bones) and George H. W. Bush (Andover 1942, Yale 1948, Skull and Bones) fit well, thereby unfolding a kind of red carpet on which they could later walk comfortably through the upper echelons of American life..."


Too much to repeat here.
Great website. Great book.

There has also been at least one book devoted to the subject,
and a 60 Minutes segment on it.

[Valjean]

35. W Not Athletic

Friend and foe alike have tied success at the network's schools to three essential underpinnings: good family, good attitude (loyalty to the school and to oneís peers), and good skill at sports.

Cheerleading is NOT a sport. Sorry to all those preppy girls out there, but it's a social club. It's not even acrobatics. They call that gymnastics. It's not choir, because cheerleaders can't carry a tune. It's just BARELY dance.

I was a bandsman in high school and college. I was an artist and a spectator to sports. I didn't pretend that I was an athlete.


I've known athletes. And George W Bush, your no athlete ;-)

[curse10]

24. Skulls and bones! skulls and bones! skulls and bones!

:eyes:

[Joe the Revelator]

27. We're going to run out of tinfoil

before November.

[Valjean]

38. Ode to tin foil

John Stewart was responding to the Paul O'Neill revelations. Specifically he addressed the guy who yelled this to him every day when entering the subway "Bush planned the Iraq war from day one".

Johns Comment:
"I tip my hat to you sir, with the tinfoil hat."

Just because your paranoid doesn't mean the Bonesman aren't out to get you :-)

My beef is that these guys have some pretty profound oaths between one another. That oath presumably outweighs the public's right to know about the associations or conflicts of interest that a president may have.

Second, if it's just a bunch of frat boy horse-shit mumbo-jumbo, why is it so secret. I've been on college campuses and frat boy ritual is pretty common knowledge even WHEN it's supposed to be secret. Furthermore, most frats have house parties so they really can't house secret shrines to Nazi's (as the Bonesman reportedly do as reported by a group who broke in during the 70s).

Doesn't that disturb anyone else. Two recent presidents belonged to an organization with a shrine to Adolf Hitler? It's definitely hearsay, and it might be made up. But these clowns won't even DENY IT. There is an old saying, refusal to deny means you've hit on something.

The financial ties of some Bone's members (Dubaya's grandfather) and the Nazis is very telling. So this issue is not idle speculation. Nor is the general sense around here that Bush doesn't really believe in democracy. Did he get this attitude from is matriarchal mother, his overpriveleged father, or from the Bonesman who's main purpose seems to be the ultimate form of affirmative action.

From all indications, Kerry seems to have bucked the trend of this group. But if he's still trying to recruit members (as reported) it means he still hasn't shaken off loyalty to this group. Is Kerry just using voters (like Dubabya) to fulfill his personal need for power. Kerry's early pretension to JFK's station and persona is well known.

Though Kerry threw the medals of OTHERS over that fence, he kept his own. Isn't that it's own bit of hypocrisy. You average people, you can throw away your medals. Kerry ALWAYS knew he wanted to be president, so he KEPT his to show off on future political campaigns.

If Kerry HAS distanced himself from the Bones mumbo-jumbo elitist, mind-washing cult, let him publicly renounce the group. He should annul his oath to the Bonesman and give an oath to the American people that he has no greater loyalty. If a fellow Bonesman was threatening the United States, he'd take him down. He'd send a fellow Bonesman to prison. Otherwise, the old system of hard time for the poor and "club fed" (more usually just freedom) for the rich goes on.

Finally, I think secrecy about public issues is BAD period. I post on Slashdot.org too so I've gained an appreciation for "open source" in everything. Open committee's, open discussion. If you can't air your laundry publicly it's dirty.

A bit of dirty laundry still hidden in the hamper is the Mena, Arkansas issue. Don't get persnickety so fast because it has FAR more to do with Bush Sr. than it does with Bill Clinton (no I don't think Clinton had anyone murdered). Yet, Ken Starr was encouraged to DROP that investigation by REPUBLICANS (According to Greg Palast (definitely NOT a tin foil hatter)). Something went on their that BOTH parties are reluctant to investigate. The whole affair is also weakly linked a great patriot named Sen John Tower (Republicans can be patriots too) dying in a, surprise surprise, a small plane crash.

Yes, I do try to read the work of the REAL tin foil hatters. They actually do good research, they are just to quick to draw conclusions. And it behooves Democrats to keep these issues in mind because the tin foilers WILL try to associate Wesley Clark with the whole Mena Arkansas affair. That includes good old Rush Limbaugh who has blind eyes for all Republicans and can constantly talk this trash without mentioning that Mena was a CIA operation and more closely linked to Bush Sr (then Vice President).

So try not to be homers and think like Repuglicans. Try to throw shit at your own candidate and see if it sticks. If it doesn't then GREAT, you can trust him. If not, your destined to be disappointed. You will be confronted by this crap by your peers in the presence of swing voters. You must ALL consider yourself the campaign chairman for YOUR guy in your circle. You have to be able to defend your horse against shit like this so you have to take it seriously and find good responses that will shut it down.

The race for president doesn't lie strictly on the shoulders of the candidates. They are the generals, you are the soldiers. This is what the Republicans understand all too well. They have a hierarchy and a lot of it fans out from Colonel (Klink) Limbaugh. They arm their local partisans to the teeth with bullshit talking points. If you don't have a response, you loose your local part of the battle.

[JI7]

28. other candidates should go after kerry on this

why are other candidates allowing kerry to get away without exposing his skull and bones membership ? are they in on it ? did kerry use his skull and bones power to keep them quiet on this ? which candidate will be brave enough to stand up to kerry on this ?

[oasis]

29. Why didn't fellow Bonesfolk help Kerry out with $$$$ so he wouldn't have

to mortgage his home? If Kerry was forced out of the race, the guarantee of a Bonesman remaining president would be put in jeopardy.

The horror, the horror.

[Algorem]

30. If Kerry wins does he have his own masturbation-coffins moved into the

White house cellar or does he just keep Bush's ones down there?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

32. Kerry and CFR, BCCI, the Iran Contra coverup

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=154665

[Algorem]

37. Heinz going splat...

what's with that?

[Loren645]

39. Maybe it'll be more civil if it's bones on bones. :)

Since they've basically sworn loyalty to each other via S&B.

[redqueen]

40. No clue

Who knows what will happen? Does it matter? It's still ABB.

I'm a resident tinfoil hatter, and I still say ABB.

We must choose our battles wisely.

[Catherine Vincent]

41. This definitely would be a vote for lesser of the two evils.

LOL!

[TLM]

42. It means no matter who wins....

WE LOSE!

[redqueen]

44. LOL

Business as usual, you mean?

Keep your chin up, things are improving, else we wouldn't be facing fascism and big brother! (They gotta get their controls in before too many people figure out the scam.)

[MoonRiver]

47. There are such philosophical and policy differences between Kerry & *

that the Skull and Bones issue is totally irrelevant, IMO. If Clark or Kerry are elected president this country will once again become civilized and internationally respected. Clark and Kerry are much more liberal than Clinton and would lead the nation in a progressive direction. Let's worry about the real rightwing threats to our democracy, instead of fretting about ghosts and goblins. I say this with all respect. I just want to give my two bits in the hope that we can maintain a proper perspective on past, present and future events.