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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 04:48 PM
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Caller on NPR asks about Bu$h and Fascism
On NPR's show Odyssey today a caller asked if the Bu$h Administration use of hyper-patriotic actions, such as saynig "your either against us or with us", resembled Fascism in the 1930's in Italy and Germany.

The show had 2 Political Science professors on it (I joined the program late and missed their names or where they were from.) These 2 guys tip-toed around the subject, but neither denied there were similarities. One of the guys said the actions of the Bush administration, though you have to be careful saying, parallels Hitler's power in Germany before WWII. The other guest on the show discussed rallies Hitler had in Germany to promote nationalism. Then he said that Hitler was widely popular with the industrial base in Germany while Bush has similar popularity with corportations now.

I looked for a transcript of the show and couldn't find it. Here is a link for audio of the show: http://www.chicagopublicradio.org/programs/odyssey/odyssey_v2.asp
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 04:54 PM
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1. It needs to be brought up again and again till everybody GETS it!
The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
Free Inquiry http://www.secularhumanism.org/fi/
Spring 2003; 5-11-03

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:


1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to (sic) media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed
to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Free Inquiry, the magazine that celebrates reason and humanity, is published quarterly by the Council for Secular Humanism. Edited by philosopher Paul Kurtz <http://www.secularhumanism.org/home/kurtz/index.htm> , Free Inquiry presents scholarly and popular articles relating to secular humanism, atheism, church-state separation, and issues affecting the rights of religious minorities. For more information, contact us at FreeInquiry@SecularHumanism.org.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 04:59 PM
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4. Saw this on a flyer with usa/eagle/swastika flag on reverse
Handed out at an event.
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progressiveBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:09 PM
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6. Wow, that's frightening
You could almost forget that the study wasn't done on Bush's regime.
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 08:21 PM
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8. Excellent info...
thanks
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 04:54 PM
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2. bush IS a fascist. There is NO DOUBT whatsoever of that.
By EVERY definition of the wor4d, bush is a fascist.

CORPORATIONS UBER ALLES.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 04:55 PM
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3. A good sign there of open discussion
A lot of university professors are trying to get the word out to people about the direction our country is heading.

I'm starting to see more scientific research that prove *'s policies are wrong.

Getting MSM to cover them is another story.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 05:04 PM
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5. Unforunately, college professors already are labeled
"librul" and 'scientific research' means nothing to *.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-19-05 08:06 PM
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7. Kick
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