Condi and Gonzales are going to be confirmed no matter what,

[Cyrano]

If there was still a Democratic party, every member would vote against the confirmation of these war criminals. However, too many of them are afraid it will hurt their reelection campaigns.

If they don't stand up for what the Democratic party is supposed to stand for, why should they be reelected? What do they stand for? When are they going to defend a principle? If not now, when?

We are well along the slippery slope (that now looks like a cliff) to fascism. If the Democratic party won't stand up to these barbarians, who will? Individually, we are helpless. But I fear that if we have to rely on the Democratic party to oppose them, we're screwed. We could very well be witnessing the end of democracy in America.

[Vincardog]

1. Any boby that votes to confirm war criminals gets no more support money

or vote

[stray cat]

2. All the democrats could vote against them.

It would be a stand but would have no effect. They would still get confirmed. If they vote against everything the next 4 years, no single vote would appear any more important than another.

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[gumby]

4. ooohhhhm, a double ceremony?

Ain't that sweet?

[StephanieMarie]

5. The point is to get have all their lies

on the permanent record for the Senate for all time.

[Al-CIAda]

6. Well, obviously Joe Biden was so eager to vote FOR confirmation that he

Obviously Joe Biden was so eager to vote FOR confirmation that he
wanted to wrap it up today. Rubber stamping the person who was NSA and is partially responsible for 9/11 'failure'...who has lied repeatedly as partially detailed by Boxer.

[Cyrano]

7. Biden has yet to show that he's anything but just another whore.

I've yet to see Biden stand up for priciple whenever it counted.

[ErinGoBraghLess]

8. Don't be discouraged

You know, as bad as Bush can be, he's out of there in 4 years. Four short years out of the entire history of this country. I can handle that. Just work hard, love hard, hug your kids and teach them what's right. We'll get it back. Politics is cyclical. I predict that nothing too calamitous will befall this nation in the next four years, except for another terrorist attack but we can't totally defend against that. The environment is super-tough. The economy has seen far worse times, the war (while bad) is nothing compared to the 50,000 dead in Vietnam or the 400,000 dead in WWII. So I am prepared to sit tight and ride out the storm. Life is too short to have a coronary over some dill-wad in the White House.

[Catchawave]

12. Thanks Erin, I agree with not getting discouraged.....

I plan to stay very busy making life very difficult for this administration.

Starting with signing Boxer's petition and sending a donation to her PAC.

[ErinGoBraghLess]

13. Thanks

I agree. Work to change things, but don't kill yourself over some nitwit. Gotta keep some perspective. This great country was built to withstand tough times and to check the ego of any one leader. You know, before the election I had friends who said Bush was going to declare martial law and suspend the election. I was like, No Freaking Way. Not that I'd put it past him, but there's no way it would succeed. Most Con's I know wouldn't put up with that stuff. So don't get your panties in a bunch over silly stuff that won't make a difference in a few years. Bush will go back to his "ranch," Laura will read to some needy kids, and we can get back to livin. L-I-V-I-N, Man.

[ErinGoBraghLess]

18. Day Without Politics

You know the other day, my husband and I took our kids to my sister's and we went out for Korean food. The best darned Jampong I've had in a long time. We decided not to listen to the news for the day (He's a big Bush guy) and we just hung out as a couple. You'd be surprised what a news-free day can do. Enjoy each other, have some great food, some wine, read a book, take a walk, make sweet luv. Whatever. You can go nuts obsessing over every little new tidbit in the news. So chill out once in a while, hit your favorite bar or restaurant and watch some sports, catch up with your kids. The world will still be there when you get back. And unless you have a high-ranking job, the world won't miss you for a couple of days.

[AndyTiedye]

15. It Is Much Worse Than You Think

You know, as bad as Bush can be, he's out of there in 4 years.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that.

We'll get it back. Politics is cyclical.

It used to be, but



I predict that nothing too calamitous will befall this nation in the next four years, except for another terrorist attack

They're going to LIHOP (or MIHOP) again. We all know this!
That will be the excuse * needs to make himself pResident-for-life.
They've already told us that they will do away with democracy if there
is one more attack. Don't you believe them?

[ErinGoBraghLess]

23. Depressing

You are just too depressing. If I knew you I would bet you $10,000 (in escrow) of course that Bush will be out of here in 4 years. You are just plain wrong. And maybe a little paranoid.

[AndyTiedye]

25. Sorry to be So Depressing

But it's not paranoia if they're really out to get you.

This was from your own post:

I predict that nothing too calamitous will befall this nation in the next four years, except for another terrorist attack

This is from General Franks, and never refuted by anyone in the regime:

"If {WMD attacks happen}... the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we've seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy."

[Al-CIAda]

27. "They're going to LIHOP (or MIHOP) again. We all know this!"

And now fortified with recent secretly passed new and improved 'Doomsday Plans"...it provides 100% of your daily requirements of Fascism.

[mtnester]

9. I agree, because the REAL battle will be for the SCOTUS nominee

THAT is the battle that is being picked

[OneBlueSky]

14. hate to disillusion you, but whomever Bush nominates . . .

to the Court will be confirmed, and with substantial Democratic support . . . such are the ways of Washington these days . . . oh, a couple of Senators may raise a stink, but in the end, the vote won't even be close . . .

[mtnester]

22. I called it a battle...

not the war...I understand we are outnumbered, but the real battle will be SCOTUS...whether we win or lose that one is moot, it will be the one with the highest body count.

[TheDonkey]

10. If all Democrats voted against the noms... THEY WOULD STILL GET IN

Pick your battles wisely.
They may get in, but the confirmation hearings give them a chance to get ammo if they screw up later, and gives them a blackeye before they can even get in the office.

Democrats have been doing a good job of showing republicans as thugs, liars, and crooks with these hearings. I just with the MSM would put the light on it.

[bread_and_roses]

20. So show them as "thugs, liars, and crooks" and then vote FOR

them? So what message does that send. It makes no sense to me at all.

[sampsonblk]

21. There's more than enough ammo already

Condi Rice has been a walking disaster for the past four years. She's been dishonest and incompetent.

Even if she's confirmed, I say our party should still stand 100% against her. Had we done that all along, she wouldn't be in this position - and neither would we.

I agree with you about the MSM too.

[Robbien]

11. What the Republicans wanted was a clean hearing

with a lot of butt kissing.

This hearing puts a stain on the nomination and in no way can Condi say she has a "Man Date".

[okieinpain]

16. now if we could really kick out some of those sorry dems, that

would be wonderful.

[hector459]

17. I know, I know, but neither of them should be confirmed.

It sends a terrible message to the rest of the world.

[cestpaspossible]

19. Every Democrat should vote against them

and I will remember those who don't.


I don't really know why you are presuming so much, though.... why don't you wait to get angry at Democrats who vote to confirm until after some Democrats vote to confirm? For now, your anger would be better directed at the Republicans.

[Generator]

24. I just don't understand

But I swear, me, little housewife in the blue city understands more than the Dem politicians do.

What is the point in affirming them? They think it will get them something down the line? What exactly? Something like the truth? Something like a way out of this war?

How in any good conscience could you vote for someone like Rice who has proved massive incompetence? She is one of the worst choices for the job in the entire country. You might as well not even have the post-since she only parrots back whatever great thinking is decided upon in the chambers with Dick and George and the great neo-con minds of our century.

I saw a great disecting of her on Democracy Now by a woman that wrote about the Bush women. She doesn't believe in nations working together at all. Her pet theory IS unilateralism. So what good is the post?

To lie to other nations that we care about your interests or your opinions when we have no intention of caring about any interest but ourselves?

And on sheer principle alone, how could anyone that ever served in any military approve Gonzalez?

I understand that voting NO will not stop them from being confirmed. But it would put them on the right-correct side of history. Everyday I understand more how things like the third Reich happen. It happens individually when those do nothing when they KNOW what they are doing is wrong.

What rationale for voting YES is there? Have they been guranteed that their yes vote will give them a vote down the line to save social security? Health care? A soldier's life? No-not only have the other side not agreed to anything(they don't frigging need the votes-so what do they care?) they will just see it as one more accomadation-that the Democrats have no principles and that they won't fight back.

Why can I see this and these oh so educated and experienced men and women not?

[Disturbed]

26. The Loyal Opposition?

If the Dems oppose nothing who are they being loyal to?