Trippi endorses Rosenberg for DNC Chair

[newsguyatl]

... sour grapes anyone? :eyes:

[NashVegas]

1. Meow. Hiss.

:D

[FrenchieCat]

2. I'm watching Trippi on Hardball now....

What's up with that?

Trippi can't seem to say why not Dean for DNC Chair.....

Trippi is wanting to have his cake and to eat it too.

[fearnobush]

7. I guess he is pissed because Dean fired him.

Bad blood. I'm sure Dean saw the MSM media whorishness in Trippi before he canned him.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. Trippi flat out stole from Dean. His endorsement would be a death knell

to Dean. His behavior of late is that of a mole.

[newsguyatl]

16. he's certainly not the sharpest knife

that's for sure.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

3. After he loots Dean's coffers....it's WORSE than sour grapes..it's mutiny

[JetCityLiberal]

26. I know I have wondered

where the heck the money went myself.

Strongly agree with the term mutiny.

Paul

[Clarkie1]

4. This fellow seems be getting some high-profile endorsements lately

Don't much about him. I hope Dean gets it because it would send a strong message to the grassroots and I think Dean has the skills needed for DNC chair. Folks who have concerns about Dean's image to those outside the grassroots of the party or outside the democratic party should consider that a politically held position within a party is a completely different position than running for a political office as the representative of a party.

[madfloridian]

15. He and Al From started the DLC and the New Democrats spun off.

It is rumored he is the choice of many as he is more in tune with the leadership's views.

That said, it is said there may be a combo in the works to include both Dean and Rosenberg.

Dean has good leverage, and he has DFA which is larger now than when he dropped out.

[Turn CO Blue]

30. I'd support the idea of a Dean/Rosenberg Co-chair

Why not use the strengths of both!?! The Dem party needs a shot in the arm!

[AntiCoup2K4]

63. The "shot in the arm" is needed because of the DLC virus.

And it seems that Rosenburg is a carrier of said virus, so he can't be trusted for the innoculation. Only wise thing to do is to call the Doctor :)

And BTW, Joe Trippi can go fuck himself :grr:

[Botany]

5. Trippi v Dean

What is up with that?

[pinto]

6. Politics...n/t

[madfloridian]

24. Doing this on the day Dean announced is dirty, more than politics.

. And going to Rosenberg's blog to do it bad as well.

[Obviousman]

8. Well, this will be a good battle for the party

Both Dean and Rosenberg have great ideas. I think if an actual dialogue which way to move the party takes place it will be a good thing.

[BlueInRed]

9. Oh no Joe

don't do that!

[Fabio]

10. Its pretty well known that

Simon Rosenberg and Governor Dean are close, and have been for some time. That they are both running for DNC Chair does not mean they aren't allied.

[Obviousman]

13. By no means are they allied

But I think if it comes down to those two we will have a win-win situation.

[JI7]

12. did he say why he doesn't support Dean ?

[greenohio]

14. He does know him very well

[MADem]

31. He said what I have said in a couple of posts elsewhere

That the Chair would prevent Dean from other opportunities, like a Senate run or another shot in '08. You can't do both. Protocol dictates that if you take the Chair, YOU DO NOT RUN FOR OFFICE.

[iwantmycountryback]

41. How is he going to run for senate in Vermont?

Both Democrats (for all intents and purposes) Or did Trippi not have to time think all the way through that one?

[MADem]

46. Like I said in another post

Darth Vader "Go Fuck Yourself" Cheney, on one of his visits to the Senate floor, sticks out his cloven hoof just as Jeffords or Leahy passes by. They go ass over teakettle, hit their head, and Bob's Yer Uncle...there's an opening in the VT delegation.

You don't think the GOP is gonna go after Jumpin' Jim Jeffords the second his term is up? If I am not mistaken, that term is up in 2006. He may just resign to pursue other opportunities. Either the Dems are gonna own him, support him, get behind him, or he is gonna quit. He is still an Indy, and you need cash to run for a Senate seat, even in VT. Also, Jim is no spring chicken--he was born in 1934. He's been on the Hill as a Rep and a Sen for over thirty years. He just may realize this is his swan song....

[mattclearing]

64. Good call. Dean would nail that. Don't know if he's into leg. work, tho.

eom

[DoveTurnedHawk]

17. So Much for Loyalty

I know they already had their public disagreements since the campaign ended, but at least the guy could've kept neutral, fer the luvva Pete.

DTH

[madfloridian]

18. Trippi goes to Rosenberg's blog to endorse him. That is too much.

This is not appropriate and it is not ok.

[newsguyatl]

19. don't worry, mad

trippi's business is going to shit, and it's next to over as soon as dean gets the chair.

[madfloridian]

20. I am furious, and I hope the hell so.

Thanks. He used Dean.

Maybe since Rosenberg is so internet connected, he thinks he will be good for him.

[newsguyatl]

21. nah, it's sour grapes, trust me

[janx]

50. Have you heard things?

?

[autorank]

57. Kiss of death for Trippi: Tweetie calls him a "genius." OMf'ing G!

...at what, financial management, allocation of resources over an extended time period...oops, the curse of Tweetie!

[JI7]

23. why isn't it appropriate ?

i can see why endorsing rosenberg over dean itself could be inappropriate, but are you saying it's inappropriate that he did it on the blog ?

[madfloridian]

25. On the day Dean announces? Never mind. It is a matter of poor taste.

Trippi can endorse whoever the hell he wants, just don't do it on the day the guy announces....then endorse the other person on Hardball and on the Rosenberg blog.

It is bad taste.

[JI7]

28. no, i was wondering about the blog part

i can see why the endorsement and the timing in itself can be inappropriate, but i thought you meant the endorsment on a blog was a problem.

[madfloridian]

29. Just the poor taste of going to Rosenberg's blog today, of all times.

He really should keep it lower key as well, because Dean has never said a word about him...never. And there are things to say.

[fujiyama]

58. Trippi is pretty much irrelevant

I wouldn't worry too much about him.

I haven't trusted him since the whole money debacle...and I thought he sounded like a media whore when he started doing the MSNBC thing.

[Cheswick2.0]

22. looks like sour grapes to me

[Tinoire]

27. Trippi was NEVER loyal to Dean. He misspent the money people gave

Trippi was NEVER loyal to Dean. He misspent the money people gave Dean and I would still dearly LOVE to know what was behind Dean's anguished cry of "How could you do this to me?"

I don't think anyone is harboring any illusions about Trippi. There was enough dirt about his total lack of ethics during the primaries.

Good riddance of bad rubbish!

[mzmolly]

32. Trippi disapointed me early on. I still admire some of his abilities and

he's entitled to his opinion, but his opinion is polarizing under the circumstances.

Rosenberg is a good choice, he is like Dean - the media inflicted wounds.

CLARIFICATION: I fully support Dean for DNC Chair!

[President Jesus]

33. Why is it that Dean loyalists blame everyone EXCEPT their guy?

seriously, why?

Dean's presidential bid was the epitome of mismanagement and squandered resources and opportunities...and this is Trippi's fault.

Kerry runs a tight campaign, comes up a bit short, and it's all his fault.

Dean gets ass handed to him in primaries, and it's "the media's" fault. Kerry barely loses to incumant and it's entirely Kerry's fault.

How is it the candidate himself completely escapes your collective wrath time and again?

[NYCGirl]

35. I don't think anyone here said it's ALL Trippi's fault.

He had a lot to do with it, but all the blame is not on Joe Trippi.

And if you think Kerry ran a tight campaign, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

[Cheswick2.0]

36. who said it was all Trippi's fault or all Kerry's fault?

You just made that all up in your own head. I have never seen anyone say Kerry's loss was all his fault or that Dean's loss in the primaries was all Trippi's fault.

Now if you want to go around and around about the party sponsored STOP DEAN movement and who participated in that, I can go a few rounds on that.

Kerry hardly ran a tight campaign and Dean did not run a bad one regardless of some mistakes.

[madfloridian]

39. Only 1/3 of the states got to vote for him, less while he was still active

Do you want to tell me how that means he had his ass handed to him?

I don't think so.

[President Jesus]

54. wtf? Dean was on every ballot.

and yes, only winning one state (VT) after going into the primaries as the frontrunner is indeed "getting your ass handed to you" in my book.

[Freddie Stubbs]

68. How many of those states did he win?

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

53. You know what? I hate that particular attack line.

How we always blame others. I resent it very much.

It is 2nd in line to the line that says we worship, adore, whatever.

It is very obvious and getting tiring.

[President Jesus]

55. but it is true. just read the message boards.

Dean supporters almost never critically analyze why he lost. The conversations always revolve outside forces taking Dean down.

And believe me, if you are tired of that, how do you think the rest of us Democrats feel being called 'republicans' at every turn because we don't see Dean as the answer for this party's future. Now that is tiring (and retarded).

[Larkspur]

66. Do you know who ex-Sen Torricelli is?

He was a Democratic senator driven out of the senate due to ethics violations, but that didn't stop Kerry from hiring him as one of his national fundraising chairpersons. It was Torricelli who gave $50K from his former senate war chest to the 527 group that ran those infamous ads that morphed Dean into Osama.

Also, Iowa Caucuses are not primaries. It is not a one-person, one-vote method or where citizens can vote quietly and privately in a polling booth. The IA Caucses are like a Middle Eastern bazaar where candidate's supporters haggle with uncommitted delegates for their person, and it is a system where bullying and Party hacks can manipulate the system to their favor.

Dean's campaign did make mistakes -- should not have gotten involved in a negative battle with Gephardt and should have gotten back to the message in his June 23, 2003 speech -- but his campaign's defeat was engineered by the other Democratic candidates uniting behind the boring Kerry to bring down Dean. No candidate's campaign could have withstood the united assault of 7 candidates' campaigns plus Bill Clinton's homophobic phone calls to Dean supporters.

[John_H]

34. C'mon. Think for 1/2 a second. Sour Grapes? Cold Cabbage, my friend.

Trippi figures or knows Kerry wants Rosenberg, which means Rosenberg's got some fairly decent juice. Trippi also knows his DNC consultancy influence, input, and income under a dean charmanship will not generate enough money to buy even a single grain of oat. So he goes out early and on TV. Trippi thusly hopes that if Rosenberg wins we can look forward to a lot o'trippi. Which, frankly, would be better than a whole lot-o'-lots-of-others-I-can-think-of.

[marcologico]

37. I thought Deano had the market cornered on sour grapes.

[bemildred]

38. Trippi's a hack, so he does hacklike things. So what? nt

[roguevalley]

40. doesn't matter. Dean wouldn't try for the chairmanship unless he

already had the votes to win. So, unless there is treachery, he's a lock. I am soooooooOOOoooooooo glad. Go, Dean!

[bemildred]

45. Well, I hope you are right.

Since I consider the game rigged, I remain cautious.

[madfloridian]

48. I think you may have a point.

I think it may be. Either way, he has options. They should know that, but the party establishment seems oblivious to the real world.

Dean has options, and that is good. Either way they will know he is around.

[bemildred]

49. Well, I think you do to.

And I'm glad Howard is taking a whack at it.
Even if he loses, like Boxer, he will force these corrupt hacks out
into light of day. Anything is better than silence. And if he wins,
that gives us all hope.

[Carolab]

42. Did it occur to anyone that Trippi might just want Dean to run in 2008?

I mean, they did almost make it. Dean and Rosenberg are similar in progressive outlook. If Simon is DNC chair, Dean can get support for another run. Anyone else as head of DNC chair and there will be another "stop Dean" movement. In my opinion, it would be BETTER for Rosenberg to be DNC chair and Howard runs again. However, I am worried that Rosenberg doesn't have enough "support" from DLC and enough recognition to take chair. Dean does, but that leaves him out for 2008. So we have a choice: a progressive chair means Dean or Rosenberg. If it's Rosenberg, Dean can run again. If it's Dean, he can't run again, but at least we'll have a progressive chair.

[NYCGirl]

43. Trippi suggested that Dean run either for the WH in 2008 or as a Senator.

I'll begrudingly give Trippi some props. He looked good; he usually looks like an unmade bed, but he looked great tonight.

[madfloridian]

44. Here is the text from Shuster's blog.

SNIP..."On Hardball tonight, Trippi says he'll support Simon Rosenberg for DNC Chair

Following is an from Chris Matthews's interview tonight with MSNBC analyst and former Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi, who says he will not support Howard Dean for DNC chair.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, we have a fight going on for DNC chairman, are you for Dean, Joe Trippi?

TRIPPI: I'm coming out for Simon Rosenberg, the head of the New Democratic Network. I think he's somebody I think that's going to make a big difference, pull the party together and actually is very savvy about the internet grassroots and I think has proven himself...

MATTHEWS: So you're putting your old horse out to pasture here tonight? You mean you're so down on Howard Dean that here you are on national television dropping him?

TRIPPI: No, it's not about Howard, it's not about opposing him. I think Howard Dean should run for-- if he asked me for advice, he doesn't do that these days— but I'd tell him to run for the U.S. Senate, to run for President in 2008 if he wanted to, I think he's got a lot of assets. But I think this is, right now, about building this party.

MATTHEWS: Why wouldn't Howard Dean make a good Democratic National Committee chairman?

TRIPPI: I think this is really about pulling all the party elements into one house and moving forward, and really rebuilding this party from the ground up but knowing how to do that. I think Simon-- I've worked with all these guys, all of them, and I think Simon Rosenberg is the best person...."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5445086/

[janx]

51. "if he asked me for advice, he doesn't do that these days"

Yep. Sounds a little grapey.

[mzmolly]

52. Interesting ... thanks.

Sounds like Rosenberg is getting much support.

I did hear him speak on AA and he sounded "Deanesque" but I still don't think he's got the stuff Dean has.

I say Dean can hire Rosenberg when he gets the slot. ;)

[BurtWorm]

47. I thought he was endorsing Fowler.

[autorank]

56. Wow, now there is a stand up guy who appreciates a lift up.

Trippi (-) Dean = whodat. I love the ends of good politics but it's like sausage...tastes good but you don't want to watch it being made. This happens all the time. Just look at how quiclkly Steph went down on CM (Corporate Media) once he left Clinton.

:shrug:

[bklyncowgirl]

59. I'm not surprised.

A couple of weeks ago I heard Trippi on Hardball saying that he thought the chairman should be a strategist type and not a politician.

[divineorder]

60. Trippi doesn't get it.

Strategists won't recruit candidates, inspire long-term activists to work harder and in coordination, or raise money. And someone who has been there can "herd cats" because they can address their concerns.

Which is why Dean's perfect for this role. He can raise money and inspire administer and strategize. et all. With Dean you get a whole package, not just strategy. Strategy doesn't get you replacements for Ward Chairpeople, inspire others to run. And I think Dean will shine here. If we ever get a celebrity counterpart to the Gropinator, it will be Dean who will make the appeal to that person and persuades him/her to throw their hat into the ring. Dean has already inspired and funded a whole host of people to enter their local parties, filling long-empty and neglected party Positions. This brings in new blood and organizational savvy, long neglected in some areas.

Stuff that Trippi only pretends to know something about, Dean really does know having done it successfully.

[RogueTrooper]

61. Don't eat any of the grapes in Joe's fruit bowl

There a bit sour.

[CWebster]

62. New Dem agenda

http://www.newdem.org/agenda/

See 2

and:

"Now an effort is under way to set this faux “centrism” in stone. One of the leading candidates for Democratic National Committee chairman is Simon Rosenberg, a former free-trade lobbyist and head of the business-backed New Democrat Network. His group is joined by even more organizations designed to push the party to the right. The Washington Post reports that a group calling itself the “Third Way” (read: “Wrong Way”) is forming to tout “centrist” policies for Democrats. Instead of leaving the Beltway and holding a town meeting to gauge the pulse of red America’s working-class core, the group held its initial meeting “over dinner at a Georgetown mansion.” Instead of engaging in grassroots funding efforts, it is openly relying on corporate contributions.

“The answer to the ideological extremes of the right has to be more than rigid dogma from the left,” said Senator Bayh, a leader of the new group and one of Washington’s most highly trumpeted “centrists.” But really, who is pushing a rigid dogma: these bankrolled politicians who have hijacked “centrism” to sell out America’s middle class, or the progressive populists who most often have the backing of the American people?"


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1216-20.htm

[WI_DEM]

65. Why doesn't Trippi go back to MSNBC

with the other whores.

[Radical Activist]

67. Did Dean personally design all the internet and other strategy

in his campaign? Of course not. It was Trippi and others. If people really care about getting someone who knows organizing, and not the cult of personality, they will listen to this or someone like Fowler.

[DemDogs]

69. Rosenberg singularly unimpressive in Atlanta (n/t)