The Bernie Kerik brouhaha is a Rovian smokescreen for what?

[DemoTex]

This whole episode is smelling like the Fulton Fish Market or Karl Rove's dirty drawers. This reminds me of the Dan Rather fiasco with the Bu$h Air Guard memos. Something is up folks. The Bu$h regime did not get sucker-punched by this two-bit hood. They are using Kerik for something. Beware! Verb sap!

[Quakerfriend]

1. I was soooooooooo thinking the same thing!

Do you suppose it's a cover for the O'Keefe exit from NASA? They have to be worried about this whole Curtis--Nee--NASA connection.

[Quakerfriend]

2. I just read on another thread

that one of Curtis' former employees is cutting a plea bargin with the gov't! This must mean that someone big is about to be caught in the net!!

[DemoTex]

10. I assume you are refering to Clinton Curtis. I agree. It is explosive!

According to Randi Rhodes, the Florida DOT investigator that was working on Curtis's allegations was found dead in a Valdosta, Georgia motel with "slashed arms." Then Curtis found his otherwise healthy dog, a German shepherd, dead. Keep your eye on the ball, not on Rove's decoys!

[n2mark]

15. I so agree with you

there is a reason behind this selection. The WH knew the truth about this guy, the press knew it, his life is an open book. My first thought was, what is the WH up to? Do you think this might take the heat off of Rummy?

[Historic NY]

3. to show how stupid they are.......some vetting process they did.

They all make Kerik out to be something special. I've seen his kind before in my 30 yrs of LE experience. I work in a small town and you always have a couple of back stabbers or a-- kissers. He went to Iraq to setup the police, what a joke. He got himself out of dodge so quick. They still do not have a stable force over there, so that shows you he had no real skills. He is just a name & a face.

Maybe they will move Asskroft into the job.

[youngred]

4. Nah

Kerik was an obvious choice for many, just turns out they should have paid better attention to someone actually being able to do something and stay above the law then paying back some political favours with a tough-looking fellow.

[DemoTex]

5. Well, he does have that latter day G. Gordon Liddy look.

I'm sure that gives Bu$h and Cheney boners. Why not go for Liddy? He is a known entity. The criminal justice system has all his info on file.

[youngred]

6. Kerik's resume is initially impressive

Giuliani's clean-up cop. He has the redemption narrative they love to use to spin for all their leaders. Organized the Iraqi police force, never mind he was an abject failure at that, but Bush thinks everything is rosy over there so he probably didn't know that. He is a close political ally. Looks the part of tough cop. Was in charge on September 11th. Is a strong Republican known for intense loyalty.

Liddy is doing to well for himself as a Republican shrill to want to come back and subject himself to that

[Vickers]

39. "I'm sure that gives Bu$h and Cheney boners. " Aw man, lmao!

Bad time to drink coffee, though. :P

[Historic NY]

11. idiots Ray Kelly would have been the best choice......

so would John Timoney (Dep Comr) or Wm. Bratton (Comr.) then again they left Rudy too. Seems the administration is looking for a person they can control.

[youngred]

12. I'm aware Kerik would have been an awful choice

and there are much better candidates. But spin is more important than reality to these people and Kerik had a much better story and image which they could play with.

Not sure who you're calling an idiot, but I hope it isn't any of us

[Historic NY]

17. idiots = them * n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

22. Yup, if we want a cop, get a real one like Ray Kelly

Multiple (masters?) degrees, smart and accomplished, former member of, or emissary, to Interpol so he knows international shit. All in all, a far, far, far better choice .... and he looks and acts like anything *but* a thug.

[Jon8503]

7. This is really really strange. Hillary & Schumar jumping on this

bandwagon and supporting the nomination. What the hell is going on.

We all know Bush is not the brightest lightbulb but you do not have the FBI do a background check on the head of Homeland Security nominee.

What gives??????????

[youngred]

8. My bet

is they figured he would bring a lot of DHS pork back to NY which is in desperate need of it and they could then claim it when running.

[Jon8503]

21. Good Point, you are probably right about that.

[blackangrydem]

36. A Genuine screwup in an attempt to pay Rudy back, but

for the administration making lemonade out of lemons is watching Hillary and Chuck backpeddle on this one.

Bush will not have to account for this endorsement in an election.

Hillary and Chuck will.

[Generator]

9. Nah, it was just a test

to see if they can get away with everything they try.

And they would have, if Kerik wasn't such a pussy.

[Tesla]

13. They try all the time...

I wondered if he would pass the smoke screen test, he just looked a little shifty eyed to me.

I'm glad there is a shred of Democracy left!!!

[noamnety]

14. Could be to screw Guiliani

If Jeb wants to run in 2008 or 2012, they need to screw over Guiliani a few times. He can be the next McCain.

[DemoTex]

16. That's a scenario too. But one thing this ain't:

It ain't a Nannygate. At best, Kerik is mobbed-up. At worst, he was used by Rove to achieve another media coup.

[karlrschneider]

18. I dunno, Mac, maybe they've gotten so damn arrogant they don't even care

:eyes:

I mean, shit, with all the dirt on this scumbag, surely SOMEBODY at Bushco would've known -some- of it, wouldn't they? I can't even begin to imagine how they would've anticipated anything positive over this screwup...but you sure could be right, there might be something going on we can't even begin to grasp - it's like playing chess blindfolded & with our hands tied behind our backs. :grr:

[DemoTex]

19. Karl, I am betting that they did know. They had to.

I also think that they knew his nomination wouldn't fly any more than an ATR-42 with a load of ice on the wings. I mean, look at his lifestyle! He lives like a Mafia prince among Mafia princes in Mafia Never-Never-Land, New Jersey (Exit 15). If I run for office as a liberal Democrat, they are going to trot out some former R.O.N. Kitten in Omaha who gave me two steaks and a butt-twitch for a big Jet-A buy in the Lockheed JetStar II. Kick back. Illegal. Unfit for office. Of course I was flying for Ken Lay, at the time!

[Geek_Girl]

23. It's either he's mobbed up

or the press was snooping around him too much to close for comfort. I bet if the press keeps digging they'll find something really nasty on him.

[DemoTex]

25. Oh, he is mobbed-up. Count on that.

And I agree, the nasty stuff is yet to come.

[priapis]

31. ding ding ding ding- I Think You Hit The Nail On The Combover's Head

this is one of the best reasons yet put forth. they knew about his "colorful" past, they knew there were lots of serious credible or at least unexplained allegations of corruption, mob-ties, and the like.

what better way to start the tarnishing of giuliani than to show who his friends & confidants are?

whether for jeb, or just to stop control of the party from passing to a socially liberal pro-choice northeast italian in 08. someone they dont/cant control. so rove keeps the evangelical hillbillies happy.

[AlCzervik]

20. No senate hearings on Kerik and maybe no more investigating

because you know many of the roads lead back to Rudy. Iwould think that Rudy is sweating on this....hopefully.

[DesEtoiles]

24. It was Rove burning Bush's butt bc Bush was getting uppity

[DemoTex]

26. Well maybe. As good a theory as the rest.

Let me invite all of you to the Lounge for a special post.

[w4rma]

27. I think they just screwed up. They do that quite a bit, but usually it

doesn't get so much publicity since the big corps who own big media want them to stay in power so that they can expand their own power at the rest of America's expense.

Also, it's after the election so they don't fear a public backlash so just like back in 2003 they are reporting more of the Bush fraud than they would report closer to the election.

[DemoTex]

28. Hi Rick ...

You might be right. Good thing to start off my 10,001 post with a fellow Ham. Thanks for that opportunity.

73s!
Mac
K9STR

[peekaloo]

29. Propping up the "liberal media". Gonzales is just as bad a nominee

but he'll meet little resistance.

Not that torching this thug is a bad thing but Bernie seems to like to play angles and that doesn't pass the Bu$h loyalty test. Methinks Bu$h wanted to embarrass Rudy G., too. King George is the true hero of 9/11, the others were just bit players.

I'm talkin' outta me arse here.

p.s. Keeps Ohio out of the news, too.

[zulchzulu]

30. Nope...it's the beginning of the end of the Bush administration

Let it simmer. The frogs are in the pot of water and not knowing that the temperature is getting a little warmer.

Guiliani is finished. Chimp looks like a twit. The media looks stupid.

As long as we keep the Kerik story alive, it's all good.

[autorank]

33. I think you're right. This was the guy who was to protect us!!!

Yeah, between sleazy trysts, nooners, and insider trading.

This leaves a real nasty taste in the mouths of the general population. They just might figure * doesn't give a shit.

I think * has a big crush on Kerik and liked being next to him.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

32. I've been having this feeling for a while

Calm, almost like I'm sedated, and I realized just a bit ago, while reading a story about the fucked-up voting in Ohio that's going to be on Page One of the Washington Post tomorrow, that I'm so confident that Fuckface is in the process of going up in flames, I'm just quietly waiting for the end.

For the Post to put a story like this one Page One - I can't tell you what a big deal it is, because it's my damn newspaper, and it's been doing nothing but kisses Fuckface's ass for four years now, letting him walk on everything, and burying anything even remotely pro-Democrat inside, among the Hecht's and Macy's ads.

The worm is turning, and its name is Fuckface.

[autorank]

34. Fucking right on OldLeftieLawyer. It's my [[toilet] paper too!

But I've stopped buying it and read only left overs at the Tastee Diner.

There is something up. The Washington Post story is much better than the Times piece and it goes on and on. Leaves lots of room for further development.

* must have pissed off the "general committee" or whoever the fuck runs things around this country. Time to have the old smack-down, I hope.

Just remember, "plus ca change, plus ca la meme chose." Ain't life a bitch. Who will the new Spokes Model be for Corporate America?

Our only chance is that the TRUTH comes out and turns into a run-away train. This will require * to use the "F" word or conspicuously grope some babe (both on tape) to alienate his core group.

[dave123williams]

35. Recount distraction? Just guessing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

eom

[Democrat 4 Ever]

38. I'm wearing my stylish tinfoil hat this morning but

I'll throw this out for consideration - what if Kerik is exactly what BushCo thought he was but really didn't have a choice but to nominate him to the Homeland Security position? Kerik does have mob connections so it out of the realm of possibility that Georgy/Rove are in bed with a nefarious group of knee breakers who can help out when it comes to dirty deeds? There is no telling who BushCo and Rove owe what to whom for the delivery of this election. There is a lot of money floating around in the budget for security and why wouldn't a group of "businessmen" want to get in on the action?

Kerik was just too dirty for them not to have a clue into this guy's past, qualifications, associates, etc, but thought they could push his appointment with a "mandate from the people" and encouragement from the "guys who knows a guys."

I just don't trust anything that comes from this administration and have learned over the last four years nothing is as simple or straight forward as they try to portray. If their lips are moving - then they are lying, someone is dying and they are making money off the events.

Just my two cents.

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[leesa]

41. I think it's to cover up the recount.

[rucky]

42. That's EXACTLY what Rove wants you to believe...

or IS it?

[susu369]

43. Rove knows a story with SEX will get plenty of attention

I agree they are using Kerik to draw attention away from a boiling pot on the burner.

Added plus: get Rudy out of the picture.

[theboss]

44. You know, Rove is not Voldemort

I wish people here stopped believing that Rove has the power to influence the tides. No wonder we can't beat them; we think their strategist is a freakin' mystic with the powers of the Sun God or something.

[tom_paine]

46. Not Voldemort, The Secong Coming of Josef Goebbels

even more scary.

Yeah, maybe the Nazis didn't LIHOP or MIHOP the Reichstag Fire either.

[RamboLiberal]

45. We're on the same wavelength DemoTex

I just posted the same speculation over on an LBN thread before I saw yours. I think it's a way of starting to take down Rudy for Jebbie's or some other BFEE Repuke's run in '08 primaries.

[Tesla]

48. Juliani isn't the pure white angel he wants everyone to

think he is. I'm sure they have more than this on the whole NY connections he has.
Also, nothing like a woman scorned.........

[okieinpain]

47. oh, we need to stop with the conspiracies. they screwed up that's

all. and it had the right elements to get the media involved, SEX.....

[dpbrown]

49. Gonzales and Scalia

Kerik is the sacrificial lamb. The big hubbub over him is meant to take away from scrutiny over Gonzales and Scalia.

DPB