Will Bush Destroy The World?

[demwing]

I've heard a few voices saying that Bush is going to so radically fuck up the world that we need to forget about long term political plans.

Do you really believe this?

If so, then we better drop the call for peaceful civil disobediance. Enough talk about boycotting Repuke advertisers, shut down discussions about hounding the media. Forget banter about our 2008 candidate. Forget GOTV, and screw BBV.

If Bush is as evil as he is stupuid, then we need to hit the streets and engage in massive riots. Arm yourself. Shoot to kill. We're talking about saving the planet from total destruction, right?

But if you don't believe that the world is coming to an end--and I don't--then we had better come up with a different set of plans and put down the shotguns. Saying that "Bush will destroy the planet" is either a call to battle or an excuse for sitting on our asses. The former may be coming, but the latter must be avoided.

So, what do you believe? Will Bush screw the whole damn planet?

[Tharks]

1. Agree

[demwing]

3. Thanks. Could you elaborate?

I know you're new (welcome to DU, btw!) but let go! Jump in!

What do you agree with? That Bush is as evil as he is stupid? That Bush will destroy the world? Something else?

Speak up. :)

[newyawker99]

19. Hi Tharks!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Vincardog]

2. That is his plan. I don't plan on letting him.

HEY you get out of my government.

[googly]

I disagree on one issue....

I agree Bush is evil, cowboy, corporate whore, and other things.
But I do not like the idea of calling him stupid, idiot or moron.
Because I then feel worse that our candidate got beaten by a
stupid, idiotic and moronic person. It can mean only one thing.
Our candidate was stupider, and more moronic than Bush. And I
know that is not the truth.

[clydefrand]

7. However, good things happen to stupid, moronic people just

like bad things happen to good people. For Bush it was a good thing for him to be elected legally or not. For us, it isn't good.

[DrGonzoLives]

4. I think some liberals want him too

so that, just before they die, they can smile and say "I told you so."

God knows that would be easier than actually doing something.

[cali]

5. No kidding.

There seem to be quite a few of those folks around.

[northamericancitizen]

9. I agree...with reserve.

The end of the world as we known it(in north-America) happened on 9/11. Even here in Québec, Canada people knew that everything would changed and not for the better. We were all chocked about 9/11 but we were also afraid about the reaction of the bushco.

Sadly our fears were concreticized. And now.. well it doesn't look good. I am not a pessimist so I do not think that its The End. On the other hand I want to stay realistic about what could happen with those thugs playing with their the superpower over our planet.

Could there be something in between rioting in the streets and sitting on our ass?

Could there be something between posting at DU and taking action?

I am a fervent admirator of Gandhi and ML King. I believe in passive resistance, protests, rallies, informing people etc.


Unfortunately in 2004 there is some difficulties to bring everybody together in actions(crowds among other thing)

The difference between 2004 and 196.. is that the majority of people are in their late 40 instead of their 20ies. It is much more difficult to stop everything and organized huge demonstration protest when you are caught up in your daily lives.

There is one thing thou that counterbalance that: the internet. Well I guess that if you are reading this it is because you know how powerful this medium is.

Also we need to learn, again, that changes don't happen overnight and they are not necessarily done in the limelight We are so used of instant answers and dramatic media attention. Something like: if it is not in the MSM it doesn't exits.

It doesn't work that way. Ultimately not. I agree that (mostly in the US) if an event is not cover its like a non-event. But before something big could be presented to the MSM it has to be credible and serious. Do you really have to see yourself on TV to know that you exist? This is not a mean question. It is just to try to put a perspective on things.

Ultimately, if there was a Fraud it will appear on TV even thou all the efforts leading to its exposure were not shown "live".

In the mean time, dear neighbors, know that we are preparing a special welcome party for your "most wanted man" on the planet

Lise

[lindashaw]

6. I really believe his policies will make the future very difficult.

The necessities of life will become extremely expensive, and people will have to live hard. Most people have never lived hard, and how they will manage, I don't know. The dividing lines have more than likely been drawn too deeply already. And I agree, picking up a gun isn't the answer. It will take a mass rising up, though, like what happened in the 60s.

The trouble is, when the general population gets so beaten down and so afraid, a sort of numbness sets in. The people of Germany weren't bad people, and they weren't stupid. They just lost control of their lives, and the fight just drained out of many of them. It will drain out of us, too, when we're hungry and cold and sick. I really wish someone would make me believe that we won't get hungry and cold and sick. But a lot of the people in the world are, and why are we any better?

Sorry, I'm discouraged. And yes, I'm afraid that many things about this country have been broken so badly, they can't be fixed. Sorry...

[erniesam]

8. maybe not the world, but the united states for sure

I think it is too soon to take to the streets. If those who are awake took action now they would be no more practical than was the Weather Underground. How is street protest possible when even among the left we still argue whether or not its politics as usual. Debate is impossible and useless. We must be patient and let Herr Bush show himself--then with numbers behind us we take to the streets.

[LittleClarkie]

10. The world is aligning against us

The EU appears to be getting more unified to me, for instance. Other alliances are forming.

I think they will try to stop him before that would happen. World War III anyone?

Geez, I would hope our own country would stop him before that would happen.

One of the things that works in our favor is that the current administration is pretty darned incompetent. I'm sort of counting on that. Plus, there's the greed factor. Would destroying the world be bad for the bottom line?

[hangloose]

11. A bit dramatic however I see your point, do something don't just

Bitch. We are where we are today because most of us don't make a difference, don't take that step which would most probably change our lives. Yes, I'm one of those 40 ish people who have a career and a wife and two dogs. I work for a organization who receives 90% of its revenue from the US government. We have 150 guys in Iraq "Rebuilding" (no KBR connection) and anti government activism in the ranks would not be received with open arms. So i like many others face a dilemma, do I chance it, am I willing to risk my existence to maybe change the future course of this country. Can i be a patriot or live a life of quite desperation?

Well to be honest I haven't made that decision yet. What I am doing is writing and calling politicians voicing my views, sending information I gathered as well as information found by other DUers to those politicians and news sources. I am telling my friends and peers at work "What's Up" and providing links to independent sources for information on the election and 911, etc....

I will be placing banners over the freeway's in northern California (keep your eyes open) for all who pass by to view. Not looking forward to being arrested, but we shall see.

So I'm inching my way into activism, wish me well.

[northamericancitizen]

12. I wish you well and take care of yourself.

At 40 or 50 years old our primary responsibility is to take care of our family and friends. A few will feel the "calling" for more and will go to the front lines to do the battles in the name of the Democracy.

Their county will be forever gratefull but their family will suffer from it. No time left for the spouse. No time left for the kids. No more work etc. And this is not dramatisation. A public life on either side of the barricades takes a big toll out your personnal life.

Not everybody is needed on the front lines and nobody should feel guilty or less of a good patriot if he (she) is doing whatever it takes to be an always evolving and aware human being.

All of us, we have to find that special niche where we feel comfortable. We need to find the balance, (unique for each of us) between our responsibilities toward ourselves and family and what we consider our duty as citizen.

Your northern neighbor
Lise

[Minstrel Boy]

13. Problem is, he needs to save the world, and he won't.

Here's the thing: the world is fucked. At least so far as sustaining a human civilization into the next century is concerned.

There are a lot of bills coming due. Dramatic climate change is upon us RIGHT NOW. Our most complex computer simulations say a runaway greenhouse effect in 50 years is the most likely scenario. The oceans are dying. We're sleepwalking through a massive extinction event. There's peak oil and peak natural gas, and after those fresh water shortages.

Humanity is in extremis. We can only pull out of this death spiral with radical corrective measures.

If Bush simply did NOTHING, he would contribute in large part to the destruction of the planet. But he is doing far worse than that.

[journalist3072]

14. Bush

He does not have the power to destroy the world. It is not up to him.

[northamericancitizen]

15. Agree 100 % n/t

[tngledwebb]

18. You mean he isn't the CIC of the USA,

and/or can't get his hands on the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world? Or do you mean there's someone controlling him?

[MikeNY]

16. He won't destroy the world but he's getting close!

The reason why Bush is a powerful and dangerous political figure is not because he is mysteriously "evil" like you say. Its because he actually believes everything he is doing is right. You can debate whether people like him are good or evil till you are blue in the face.

=He actually thinks violating 200 yrs of foreign policy is a proper action on his part.

=His administration supports a falling dollar and running deficits

In 10 yrs time these will prove to be failed policies that anyone with a degree in economics or political science can see coming from a mile away. Tottal income will exceed debt service by then. Other countries will use what we did in Iraq as a pretext to invade their enemies.

Reagan did the same types of things, Bush Jr just took it one step further. And the Republicans had spin doctors turn all of Reagans policies into something that benefitted america. Will they be able to do it with the Bush legacy?

If a democratic President invaded Iraq his base would be questioning his actions and evaluating it. Does this happen in the Republican base? NO. WHY? Because Republicans think in a two dimensional "us against them" mentality. Much of their ideology is based around the idea of "if you have an opportunity take it", which is why they get power in the congress and bankrupt the govt and wage endless wars.... theyve been doing it for nearly 100 yrs now. go figure

[tngledwebb]

17. You serious? You've heard a 'few' voices?

Use your eyes, use your senses. Read the papers and check the news outside of the USA, if you can. BushCo is out to destroy the planet, and this country in the process, and has a four year head start, with Congressional and MSM complicity.
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