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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:23 PM
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Fuck it. Let's just have a fight.
I'm pissed off at the voter fraud people for elbowing out discussion of anything else.

I'm pissed off at the people who think the voter fraud people are tilting at windmills.

I'm pissed off at the people who shit all over the Kerry campaign.

I'm pissed off at the Kerry campaign for blowing it in several places, and for (imho) conceding too early.

I'm pissed off at the Dean people for second-guessing everything and claiming their guy would have been better.

I'm pissed off at myself because they might be right.

I'm pissed off at DUers who attack other DUers in this forum.

But I also want to punch a lot of you in the brain.

I guess I'm just pissed off. Making sense is optional at this point.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:24 PM
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1. Don't be shy...let it all hang out.
Hi Will :hi:
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:24 PM
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2. But but but!!!
you've been pissed off for 4 years...what's new tonight?

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Jack Bone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:25 PM
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3. what about a duel? (j/k) hahahaha
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:28 PM
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6. Zell, is that you?
:evilgrin:
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:28 PM
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4. they say it's better to be pissed off than to be pissed on
So here's something else to be pissed off about:

Everything I hold dear about the US has been pissed on. DAMN I'M PISSED OFF TOO.
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:28 PM
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5. Yeah, well how do you feel about
big fucking ugly smilies?
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:29 PM
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8. lol..... that's cool
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:29 PM
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7. C'mon now. How do you really feel?
I get the feeling you're holding back.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:31 PM
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9. It's about time
Where has the old Will Pitt been hiding? Has he been hob-nobbing with all the big shots and got all buttered up and slippery?

Has he been neutered by the "deleted by moderator messages" that he helped get started back in the old days of DU?

People here are pissed, and with damn good reason. Unfortunately, we have very little other room for venting and so it gets passed around here. Let's open it up and go at it... let's have a little space to let off some steam.

Ya want a piece of me? Bring it on mofo. Bring it on. <grin>
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:33 PM
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10. Welcome to the Land of Confusion, Will Pitt....
There is no consensus on anything. We must fight it out. No candidate is perfect and no one has ever been. It is a sad sign of our times that we live in a media age where reporters are timid and useful idiots. When they refuse to report the truth, we are lost. When they choose to be lapdogs for the corporate Party, no matter how insane their policies, we are lost. We are presently in that wilderness.
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:37 PM
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13. Amen to that
I watched the news tonight on CNN-over half the time is being devoted to the sports brawls--anything, I suppose to keep from focusing on what's going on in Iraq, or here at home with the last-minute "anyone can investigate your IRS returns at any time" bullshit, or our staggering debt and wobbly economy. No, let's talk about sports instead and forget the real issues going on in this country.

See, I'm pissed too.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:34 PM
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11. that`s why i added " mad " to my old name
well actually that`s what i was called in high school.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:36 PM
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12. I'm pissed
Because it looks like we are going to have go-along-to-get-along types as Minority Leader and head of the DNC.

It's time to make a stand. Instead, the party wants to fall back.

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:37 PM
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14. Speaking of fights
Do you think that during those three debates that Kerry might have gotten the urge JUST ONCE to reach across the stage with one of his long arms and, well, you know....
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:44 PM
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18. yeah Im pissed off too
I hate going out in this red town I live in!Everywhere I look I wonder WHO voted for that moron fascist?

I went to the movies last night and while I was standing in line I just kept looking around and found myself wanting to shout-WHY IN FUCKS NAME DID YOU VOTE FOR THAT IDIOT!!!!?????????Don't you KNOW anything!????

Im so pissed that these evangelics think they are all big bad and mighty smirking with pride thinking Jesus is by their side in all this murder and madness.

UGH!!!
I do not know how in fucks name I will survive this for 4 l-o-n-g years!!!!

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:39 PM
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Hmmm.....
anger-denial-bargaining-depression-acceptance

Somehow I thought you'd be farther along than step 1 :)

I'm pretty much here:

anger-denial-bargaining-depression-acceptance :(
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another5bdem Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:29 AM
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61. Denial was so much fun though...
It got me through Nov. 3rd remembering how * was throwing f-bombs all around in his concession speech, and the look on his face when he was immediately indicted. It was cool of Kerry to pardon him, though. We have to let the healing begin. Cheney's gripper didn't hurt my mood, either. :toast:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:39 PM
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15. I'm pissed off that JFK got shot!
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 10:42 PM by autorank
I'm pissed off that the fuckers who did that got away with it!
And I'm really pissed off when I hear anybody use the term 'conspiracy theory.'

Take you best shot!

:yourock:

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.


http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:40 PM
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16. I've been in a bad mood today as well
Perhaps it is something in the air. Perhaps we both watched the same episode of "Desperate Housewives" and are bemoaning a whole hour of our lives we will never have back.

Something about watching People be catty and bitchy makes me catty and bitchy too.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:50 PM
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22. I'm pissed I'm the only guy saying Welcome to DU! to "gorbal."
:wtf:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:43 PM
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17. Didn't your speech go well???
Sorry you are having such a bad day.

I have been trying to stop folks from all of this silly back biting
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1370732

But if it makes you feel better to rant, then rant ahead. I hope you get some rest and feel better tomorrow! :toast:

:hug:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:46 PM
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19. It went fine
Everyone in attendance was pissed of.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:52 PM
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28. Where did you give a speech and how come I didn't know about it?
Was it in Mass somewhere? Could I have been there? I could pass the entrance test 'cuz I am mightly pissed off myself!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:55 PM
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31. That explains it, group anger, some very powerful and scary stuff.
If you jog, go take a jog, if you walk, a brisk walk, if you drink, a night cap (but not a fifth).

Relax, take time to breath, it ain't over yet and though there are times anger can be good, sometimes it is a waste of energy.

Breath, breath, breath :hug: and relax. There are plenty here that are fighting this, in so many ways.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:47 PM
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20. The postmortem on this board has been relatively mild
I'm an IRC junkie, so I know what I'm talking about. There are people out there who wanted Kerry hanged, drawn and quartered and his head on a pike for his quick concession.

I'm pissed off that the election was stolen, AGAIN. I'm not particularly pissed off at Kerry, although I've cited two mistakes he made in his campiagn. Overall, he ran the best campaign I've seen in a very long time.

And, no, I don't think Dean would have been any better, although he would have brought a great deal more passion to the debate. I think he'd have scared off as many people as he inspired.

I'm pissed off that the DLC is still around to give good men bad advice and make them come off as spineless wimps when they're running against junkyard dogs and should know better.

And mostly, I'm pissed off that some of us seem to feel this is our fault. No, we didn't engage in an equivalent level of blatant fraud that the RNC engaged in. That is hardly our fault. We really don't want a country that has rigged elections any more than we want fascism, and we acted accordingly.

Reemember, cheating to win doesn't make them right. It just makes them desperate.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:49 PM
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21. I'm pissed off at being pissed on!
And anybody who doesn;t like it is just being pissy!
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:50 PM
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23. I think a LOT of folks are pissed off.
About a lot of things. Violence begets violence; I don't see any of this pre-emptive war stuff making anybody feel more peaceful.

And with that, I suggest you stock up on more cans of Chef Boyardee, because you never know where the next blow is coming from. :P

The upside is that history shows us oppressive forces always go down; the downside is history shows us people sometimes get hurt in the process.
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UNIXcock Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:51 PM
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24. Well, you know what they say - It's better to be pissed off than ...
... being pissed on!

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St. Jarvitude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:53 PM
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29. Looks like sweat to me.
It looks like a pretty hot day outside :shrug:
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:51 PM
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25. Only pissed off at times
...the rest of the time, I'm devastated.

My only child and I have long talks about her leaving the country.

She would like to stand and fight, but the Democrats' attitude tell me that it is useless.

She is applying to graduate school in Canada.

I'm pissed because fucked up assholes dare to call me and all liberals "God haters."

I'm pissed because as a woman, I'm fucked in the USA.

I'm pissed because this fucking war is going to go on forever.

I'm pissed because we told the Democratic party what to expect from BBV and they don't give a shit.

I'm pissed because I own a tv that stays tuned to TCM. No news!

I'm pissed because Orwell warned us, and America doesn't seem to mind.

I'm pissed because after all of the years that humans struggled to form a more perfect union, some fucking criminals have brought the whole thing down.

I'm pissed because the same arguments that have been going on since the primaries are still going on.

ps. I have not said one fucking word about the campaign on this forum. too late.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:52 PM
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26. bah ha haha i am pissed off at all repugs in my life
i said just a couple minutes ago to husband downstairs. i am just pissed i said

it dawned on him, we are going ot be seeing his family for thanksgiving soon. i saw the look on his face, realization dawned, he stutters, you arent gonna talk politics are you, or try not to...... he ends feebly

not if they keep their mouth shut. but know i am pissed

well, he already knows
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:52 PM
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27. Sounds to me like you need a good f--k. And a fair amount of
some strong liquor. A nice vacation to Italy. Not that any of these will solve anything, but you will feel better temporarily.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:54 PM
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30. Oh just relax WRP, you're our voice of SANITY around here!
:)
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Frank Rose Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:56 PM
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32. In a nut shell, that's how we feel,
now is the time to prepare for the next cycle. Let's all turn that anger into action. It's time to do it all again, with the benefit of 2004 in our rear view mirror, start today. Not making sense is always optional.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:58 PM
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33. "But I also want to punch a lot of you in the brain."
The brain in my head?
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:58 PM
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34. Let's Go....Me and You...Tough Guy...
Except we're pissed about the same shit.

Dang 'Nabbit!

Where's Artest when you need to punch someone out...

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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:06 PM
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35. I'm more pissed about that omnibus bill than anything else.
Although, my senators didn't vote for it - Lugar didn't vote at all, and Evan Bayh voted against it. Here I have been doggin' Bayh for his conservative tendencies and he showed why I vote for him every time! Anger can be a healthy motivator.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:10 PM
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36. Bayh voted against it and Hillary voted for it....
Let me make a note of that....I may need to remember that in the future.... :mad:
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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:14 PM
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37. I know - what kind of Bizarro Senate is this? n/t
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:47 PM
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43. Bizarro world?
What was that about? I noticed that too.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 12:59 AM
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50. Bayh is courting the DU vote.
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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:41 AM
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55. I would find that hard to believe.
But, it could be in prep for 08. The Indy paper had a big article about him running a few days ago. Of course, that was before some big basketball fiasco with the Pacers became the only news in town!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 02:00 AM
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58. Could you send those Pacers out to play with my team, the Raiders.
We need attitude like that. What guts, taking on a Detroit crowd. I'm impressed.

I was being a bit flip with my comment. However, some DUer had comprehensive link on Bayh's positions. I love the guy for voting against the 2001 tax cut, I mean that's what I call standing tall. He seemed pretty progressive across the board and manages to get re elected despite it. I'm open minded. I'd like to see him show some fight at some point. Maybe he can chill with the suspended pacers and learn some attitude.
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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 02:10 AM
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60. I'm probably the only Hoosier who LOVES the Raiders.
I remember the good old days in the 70s when they scared the hell out of everyone! Regarding Bayh, I have always voted for him as Gov. and Senator, but he really is quite conservative on a lot of issues. But, I was glad to see him vote against this bill. I would much rather see him as our VP candidate than as the top-billing in 08.

Actually, there is a post in this forum from IndianaGreen from a few days ago regarding an email he sent Bayh's office regarding depleted uranium. It was deleted without being read - which incensed me. A day or so later, IndianaGreen posted an email he received back from Bayh about the depleted uranium. So, I assume someone from his office is on DU!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:35 AM
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70. Say WHAT?
Duly noted. The DLC is alive and well...
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:34 AM
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69. Exactly, with barely a nod of notice from DU.
We're so busy beating each other up that they passed a short version of HELL in that omnibus bill and nobody noticed.

What if they took over the country and nobody noticed? We're about to find out, apparently...

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Metatron Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:23 AM
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81. Actually, there were some huge C-SPAN 2 threads in GD:Politics
as the debate and vote were being carried out. There were some crazy fights on the Senate floor which made for some excellent political TV!
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 09:56 AM
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75. BAyh
voted against it?

He just went up a few notches in my book.

Hillary has gone to nothing in my book. If she is the nominee in '08, we are so screwed.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:24 PM
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38. I'm pissed at guys who shove their face in front of flying bits ofconcrete
and survive.
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:25 PM
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39. Thanks Will for a much needed laugh
Before the election, I found myself spending hours here at DU. For some reason, I spend much less time on DU and when I am here, I am reading the non-political forums. Hopefully, things will calm down soon or I may actually have to clean my house.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 12:05 AM
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46. I definitely have been using DU as a procrastination device
I've got some absolutely terrifying cobwebs hanging from the ceiling in my living room, and a final essay to write, neither of which do I really want to confront right now.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:31 PM
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40. Whatever.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:31 PM
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41. Ding, ding, ding!
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 11:32 PM by PassingFair
Will Pitt: This is the best post I've ever seen from you!
Welcome to the world of the fallible!
P.S. We're ALL pissed off; and we should vow to stay this way.
Skol!
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:46 PM
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42. GOOD.......we can all be pissed off together.
We have much to be pissed about.

Liberals that want to reform the democratic party to be more like the repukes piss me off. If I wanted to be like them I would still be one of them.

Liberals that want to blame Kerry for the repukes stealing an election AGAIN piss me off.

Repukes piss me off....pretty much all of them which includes 2/3 of my family. Thanksgiving should be a real blast.....the only other liberal in the family won't be there so it will be me and my husband against them. *shudder*

At least my new boss is a liberal and a Kerry supporter.

So, be pissed off but don't despair, there are still things about life to love.









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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 11:59 PM
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44. As Johnson observed, Democrats eat their own.
Democrats and third party progressives represent highly fractious parties, which support an ideology that disdains blind loyalty. We have rarely been afraid to criticize one another, especially now.

But sometimes on this site, we forget that we were all drawn here for similar reasons, and we share a common view of the world. I don't want to be presumptuous of other members' ideals, but I think that we generally want the same outcome.

We really are on the same side, and should never forget it.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 12:01 AM
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45. One thing NOT to be pissed about!
The Dem's grassroots efforts this election was phenomenal.

Dems were motivated, worked hard, & gave so much money that the race was competitive.

If Kerry & the DNC had been as good as the grassroots, we would have won this thing!

Look at the BBV work going on, with no help from anyone in elected office, or part of the party hierarchy.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:35 AM
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78. I have to say this is the most
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 10:42 AM by Blue_Roses
inspiring post I've seen in a few days!

The Dem's grassroots efforts this election was phenomenal.

Dems were motivated, worked hard, & gave so much money that the race was competitive.


YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! In the 20 years that I have been politically active I've NEVER seen the energy from the Dem party as I did in this election.

I too feel pissed off at so many things--mainly republicans who continue to steam roll over us with their lies, thievery, and (I do believe beyond a doubt this election was stolen in many ways), bigoted-narrow-minded-pious crap, while we just lay down for them (many don't, but in general it sure looks that way). Watching Bill Clinton smack-down Peter Jennings the other night went a long way to healing the last 2 weeks. He finally puts the media in their place--something LONG OVERDUE! That gave me hope.

My biggest fear is that Democrats will continue to let the repubs set the rules, especially since morale seems down now. I'm hoping that a little time to lick our wounds, eat some turkey, fight with the Christmas tree lights, watch a few "Frosty/Rudolf" shows might give us the respite we need to regroup--and I have NO DOUBT WE WILL!:D
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 12:28 AM
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47. You've summed up my very conflicted feelings quite nicely.
I was a Deaniac but became a 100% supportive Kerryiac (sp?) and so the second-guessing about Dean just seemed pointless to me.

I totally supported Kerry but was perplexed by the quick concession.

I am pissed about the voter fraud and disenfranchisement that I know went down this year, too (but on a more widespread level) and pissed that I can't seem to get past that.

It's understandable to be pissed off. The one thing I'm glad of is that I am not a republican. They won AND they seem like big pissers, too. Big crybabies, still whining and whinging about every damn thing under the sun. We'd be freaking dancing in the street and they still have to bitch and moan.

Which makes me think they must be a truly miserable lot.

Which makes me think as pissed off as we are, this is a far better place to be.

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CalProf Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 12:29 AM
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48. #%!!#$$%%^^%$%^&^%$#**&%^$!!!!!
Me too. I've been angry since five days after election, once I stopped moaning and weeping.

But I'm pissed off at moronic voters who voted for Bush.

DUers, on the other hand, rock, even when I don't agree with them.

By the way, Will, how's your head?
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 12:40 AM
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49. First thing that went through my head was...
that scene from The Matrix (1)... walking up the wall and flipping over your head, landing on my feet behind you... arms/hands in fighting position... smiling.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:02 AM
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51. I'm less pissed...
...since I learned about Brand Democrat.

THIS is the key to 2006. Too bad it took a citizen to do what those who get paid to strategize didn't do.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:06 AM
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52. Making sense is optional at this point.
Well why should we start now? :)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:24 PM
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89. heh...making sense is a LUXURY at this point.
I've always been a dog willing to bite, but, now I'm ready for rabid.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:07 AM
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53. you can spank me
would that make you feel better? :hi:
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 12:30 PM
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86. you'd probably enjoy it
no fair
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:14 AM
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54. Don't MAKE me come up outta here and kick your ass!
:nuke:
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PrisonerLazy8 Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:52 AM
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56. Maybe it's time to back away from politics for a while
Take a break and enjoy life for a while. Load up the car and tour America on a long camping trip. See the country away from the city and take in nature until the nasty taste and stress of city life and politics is forgotten.

It's only as bad as you allow it to be or not to be.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:38 AM
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71. But Will's a journalist, he can't.
http://www.truthout.com

Welcome to DU!

:toast:
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:58 AM
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57. YES, SIR! (may I have another?)
Duz that help any? LOL!
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 02:02 AM
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59. Frankly, I'm disappointed
I don't see any "fights" here. Is that what Pitt was hoping for?

If so, too bad. Mostly single responses all the way down the thread.


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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:57 AM
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62. Kick!
:kick:
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:59 AM
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63. Ditto for me.
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baltodemvet Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:41 AM
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64. Oh yeah?!
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 06:43 AM by baltodemvet
Skuzzballs like you make me puke!
:puke:

If you and your kind had each gotten 1,000 more votes for Kerry we would have won! That's right: I hold you personally responsible for the mess we're in.
:spank:

Want to punch me in the brain? HA! You'll have to find it first, sucker!
:shrug:

Oh, yeah, I feel better now. Thanks!
:pals:
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:18 AM
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65. I'm pissed off at the Green Bay Packers
Sure, they won two weeks in a row, but do they have to give me heart failure every time?

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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:03 AM
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66. I'm happy as hell
because our movie about electronic voting has Will Pitt both IN the movie and ON the Cover..

He doesn't look pissed in either the interview or the picture..

Unless "pissed" is a word for "drunk" back east :) (it was at the DU Party in Boston)

Here in Hawaii we call it "Aloha"..

I think Will has the best quote of all in the film, even tho we have Janeane Garofalo, Greg Palast, Avi Ruben, David Dill, Larry Flynt, etc - Will has the best line of them all..
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:23 AM
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67. Okay, I'll play stupid
which movie is this?
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:43 PM
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107. Called "Electile Dysfunction"
It's a Premium at Buzzflash.com right now.. plus it's filled with NEW animations by myself..

Hop on over to Buzzflash and have a look, makes a great Xmas gift -- see Will in A BAR after we tried to get him drunk, not possible, he's actually tired - he works too damn hard..
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:27 AM
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68. I thought by now the circular firing squad would have gotten
exhausted, but no such luck.

I wish things would calm down enough we can at least have "hide threads" back.

There are some real developments brewing that are posted that just DIE because no one pays attention to anything but their damn "pet" issues.
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 09:25 AM
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74. I agree...
or pet candiates.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:39 AM
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72. Hey ! Slow down there tiger!
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 09:33 AM by slor
I think the anger generated from Voter Fraud part II may serve a purpose. I plan to try and start an organization that will try and bridge the gap between African Americans and the Gay community, that became so clear in the campaign before the elections, and right here in conservative Cincinnati, Ohio, no less! I have always been open-minded, but the reality is, I probably never would have done something like this, had I not become so angered from this past election cycle. We can change the world with our anger and the actions it may foster. I believe it now, more than ever before!
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 09:20 AM
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73. We're being handled with PSY OPS tactics. LEARN. FIGHT BACK HERE.
Will, DU-ers, BushSpeak is straight out of Army Field Manual 33-1 Propaganda Tactics.

Time is short for helping our neighbors evolve in time to help take back our government.

Learn from 'the professionals' who persuade the masses and use your power for GOOD.

HEADS UP-GET SMART!
=
Help End A Destructive System Undermining Progress
Start Manuevering with Real Tactics

PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUES
"Propaganda Techniques" is based upon "Appendix I: PSYOP Techniques" from "Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1" published by Headquarters; Department of the Army, in Washington DC, on 31 August 1979
(from http://www.mcad.edu/classrooms/POLITPROP/palace/library/proptech.html ) and also http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-06-04/discussion.cgi.79.html
Knowledge of propaganda techniques is necessary to improve one's own propaganda and to uncover enemy PSYOP stratagems. Techniques, however, are not substitutes for the procedures in PSYOP planning, development, or dissemination.
Techniques may be categorized as:
Characteristics of the content self-evident. additional information is required to recognize the characteristics of this type of propaganda. "Name calling" and the use of slogans are techniques of this nature.
Additional information required to be recognized. Additional information is required by the target or analyst for the use of this technique to be recognized. "Lying" is an example of this technique. The audience or analyst must have additional information in order to know whether a lie is being told.
Evident only after extended output. "Change of pace" is an example of this technique. Neither the audience nor the analyst can know that a change of pace has taken place until various amounts of propaganda have been brought into focus.
Nature of the arguments used. An argument is a reason, or a series of reasons, offered as to why the audience should behave, believe, or think in a certain manner. An argument is expressed or implied.
Inferred intent of the originator. This technique refers to the effect the propagandist wishes to achieve on the target audience. "Divisive" and "unifying" propaganda fall within this technique. It might also be classified on the basis of the effect it has on an audience.

SELF-EVIDENT TECHNIQUE

Appeal to Authority. Appeals to authority cite prominent figures to support a position idea, argument, or course of action.

Assertion. Assertions are positive statements presented as fact. They imply that what is stated is self-evident and needs no further proof. Assertions may or may not be true.

Bandwagon and Inevitable Victory. Bandwagon-and-inevitable-victory appeals attempt to persuade the target audience to take a course of action "everyone else is taking." "Join the crowd." This technique reinforces people's natural desire to be on the winning side. This technique is used to convince the audience that a program is an expression of an irresistible mass movement and that it is in their interest to join. "Inevitable victory" invites those not already on the bandwagon to join those already on the road to certain victory. Those already, or partially, on the bandwagon are reassured that staying aboard is the best course of action.

Obtain Disapproval. This technique is used to get the audience to disapprove an action or idea by suggesting the idea is popular with groups hated, feared, or held in contempt by the target audience. Thus, if a group which supports a policy is led to believe that undesirable, subversive, or contemptible people also support it, the members of the group might decide to change their position.

Glittering Generalities. Glittering generalities are intensely emotionally appealing words so closely associated with highly valued concepts and beliefs that they carry conviction without supporting information or reason. They appeal to such emotions as love of country, home; desire for peace, freedom, glory, honor, etc. They ask for approval without examination of the reason. Though the words and phrases are vague and suggest different things to different people, their connotation is always favorable: "The concepts and programs of the propagandist are always good, desirable, virtuous."
Generalities may gain or lose effectiveness with changes in conditions. They must, therefore, be responsive to current conditions. Phrases which called up pleasant associations at one time may evoke unpleasant or unfavorable connotations at another, particularly if their frame of reference has been altered.

Vagueness. Generalities are deliberately vague so that the audience may supply its own interpretations. The intention is to move the audience by use of undefined phrases, without analyzing their validity or attempting to determine their reasonableness or application.

Rationalization. Individuals or groups may use favorable generalities to rationalize questionable acts or beliefs. Vague and pleasant phrases are often used to justify such actions or beliefs.

Simplification. Favorable generalities are used to provide simple answers to complex social, political, economic, or military problems.

Transfer. This is a technique of projecting positive or negative qualities (praise or blame) of a person, entity, object, or value (an individual, group, organization, nation, patriotism, etc.) to another in order to make the second more acceptable or to discredit it. This technique is generally used to transfer blame from one member of a conflict to another. It evokes an emotional response which stimulates the target to identify with recognized authorities.

Least of Evils. This is a technique of acknowledging that the course of action being taken is perhaps undesirable but that any alternative would result in an outcome far worse. This technique is generally used to explain the need for sacrifices or to justify the seemingly harsh actions that displease the target audience or restrict personal liberties. Projecting blame on the enemy for the unpleasant or restrictive conditions is usually coupled with this technique.

Name Calling or Substitutions of Names or Moral Labels. This technique attempts to arouse prejudices in an audience by labeling the object of the propaganda campaign as something the target audience fears, hates, loathes, or finds undesirable.
Types of name calling:
-Direct name calling is used when the audience is sympathetic or neutral. It is a simple, straightforward attack on an opponent or opposing idea.
-Indirect name calling is used when direct name calling would antagonize the audience. It is a label for the degree of attack between direct name calling and insinuation. Sarcasm and ridicule are employed with this technique.
-Cartoons, illustrations, and photographs are used in name calling, often with deadly effect.

Dangers inherent in name calling: In its extreme form, name calling may indicate that the propagandist has lost his sense of proportion or is unable to conduct a positive campaign. Before using this technique, the propagandist must weigh the benefits against the possible harmful results. It is best to avoid use of this device. The obstacles are formidable, based primarily on the human tendency to close ranks against a stranger. For example, a group may despise, dislike, or even hate one of its leaders, even openly criticize him, but may (and probably will) resent any non group member who criticizes and makes disparaging remarks against that leader.

Pinpointing the Enemy: This is a form of simplification in which a complex situation is reduced to the point where the "enemy" is unequivocally identified. For example, the president of country X is forced to declare a state of emergency in order to protect the peaceful people of his country from the brutal, unprovoked aggression by the leaders of country.

Plain Folks or Common Man: The "plain folks" or "common man" approach attempts to convince the audience that the propagandist's positions reflect the common sense of the people. It is designed to win the confidence of the audience by communicating in the common manner and style of the audience. Propagandists use ordinary language and mannerisms (and clothes in face-to-face and audiovisual communications) in attempting to identify their point of view with that of the average person. With the plain folks device, the propagandist can win the confidence of persons who resent or distrust foreign sounding, intellectual speech, words, or mannerisms.
The audience can be persuaded to identify its interests with those of the propagandist:
Presenting soldiers as plain folks. The propagandist wants to make the enemy feel he is fighting against soldiers who are "decent, everyday folks" much like himself; this helps to counter themes that paint the opponent as a "bloodthirsty" killer.

Presenting civilians as plain folks. The "plain folks" or "common man" device also can help to convince the enemy that the opposing nation is not composed of arrogant, immoral, deceitful, aggressive, warmongering people, but of people like himself, wishing to live at peace.

Humanizing leaders. This technique paints a more human portrait of US and friendly military and civilian leaders. It humanizes them so that the audience looks upon them as similar human beings or, preferably, as kind, wise, fatherly figures.

Categories of Plain Folk Devices:

Vernacular. This is the contemporary language of a specific region or people as it is commonly spoken or written and includes songs, idioms, and jokes. The current vernacular of the specific target audience must be used.

Dialect. Dialect is a variation in pronunciation, grammar, and vocabulary from the norm of a region or nation. When used by the propagandist, perfection is required. This technique is best left to those to whom the dialect is native, because native level speakers are generally the best users of dialects in propaganda appeals.

Errors. Scholastic pronunciation, enunciation, and delivery give the impression of being artificial. To give the impression of spontaneity, deliberately hesitate between phrases, stammer, or mispronounce words. When not overdone, the effect is one of deep sincerity. Errors in written material may be made only when they are commonly made by members of the reading audience. Generally, errors should be restricted to colloquialisms.

Homey words. Homey words are forms of "virtue words" used in the everyday life of the average man. These words are familiar ones, such as "home," "family," "children," "farm," "neighbors," or cultural equivalents. They evoke a favorable emotional response and help transfer the sympathies of the audience to the propagandist. Homey words are widely used to evoke nostalgia. Care must be taken to assure that homey messages addressed to enemy troops do not also have the same effect on US/friendly forces.
If the propaganda or the propagandist lacks naturalness, there may be an adverse backlash. The audience may resent what it considers attempts to mock it, its language, and its ways.

Social Disapproval. This is a technique by which the propagandist marshals group acceptance and suggests that attitudes or actions contrary to the one outlined will result in social rejection, disapproval, or outright ostracism. The latter, ostracism, is a control practice widely used within peer groups and traditional societies.

Virtue Words. These are words in the value system of the target audience which tend to produce a positive image when attached to a person or issue. Peace, happiness, security, wise leadership, freedom, etc., are virtue words.

Slogans. A slogan is a brief striking phrase that may include labeling and stereotyping. If ideas can be sloganized, they should be, as good slogans are self-perpetuating.

Testimonials. Testimonials are quotations, in or out of context, especially cited to support or reject a given policy, action, program, or personality. The reputation or the role (expert, respected public figure, etc.) of the individual giving the statement is exploited. The testimonial places the official sanction of a respected person or authority on a propaganda message. This is done in an effort to cause the target audience to identify itself with the authority or to accept the authority's opinions and beliefs as its own. Several types of testimonials are:

Official Sanction. The testimonial authority must have given the endorsement or be clearly on record as having approved the attributed idea, concept, action, or belief.
Four factors are involved:
Accomplishment. People have confidence in an authority who has demonstrated outstanding ability and proficiency in his field. This accomplishment should be related to the subject of the testimonial.

Identification with the target. People have greater confidence in an authority with whom they have a common bond. For example, the soldier more readily trusts an officer with whom he has undergone similar arduous experiences than a civilian authority on military subjects.

Position of authority. The official position of authority may instill confidence in the testimony; i.e., head of state, division commander, etc.

Inanimate objects. Inanimate objects may be used in the testimonial device. In such cases, the propagandist seeks to transfer physical attributes of an inanimate object to the message. The Rock of Gibraltar, for example, is a type of inanimate object associated with steadfast strength.
Personal Sources of Testimonial Authority:
Enemy leaders. The enemy target audience will generally place great value on its high level military leaders as a source of information.

Fellow soldiers. Because of their common experiences, soldiers form a bond of comradeship. As a result, those in the armed forces are inclined to pay close attention to what other soldiers have to say.

Opposing leaders. Testimonials of leaders of the opposing nation are of particular value in messages that outline war aims and objectives for administering the enemy nation after it capitulates.

Famous scholars, writers, and other personalities. Frequently, statements of civilians known to the target as authoritative or famous scholars, writers, scientists, commentators, etc., can be effectively used in propaganda messages.
Nonpersonal Sources of Testimonial Authority:
Institutions, ideologies, national flags, religious, and other nonpersonal sources are often used. The creeds, beliefs, principles, or dogmas of respected authorities or other public figures may make effective propaganda testimonials.

Factors To Be Considered:
Plausibility. The testimonial must be plausible to the target audience. The esteem in which an authority is held by the target audience will not always transfer an implausible testimonial into effective propaganda.

False testimonials. Never use false testimonials. Highly selective testimonials? Yes. Lies (fabrications)? Never. Fabricated (false) testimonials are extremely vulnerable because their lack of authenticity makes them easy to challenge and discredit.
PROPAGANDA TECHNIQUES WHICH ARE BASED ON CHARACTERISTICS OF THE CONTENT BUT WHICH REQUIRE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE PART OF AN ANALYST TO BE RECOGNIZED

Incredible truths. There are times when the unbelievable (incredible) truth not only can but should be used.
Among these occasions are:
When the psychological operator is certain that a vitally important event will take place.
A catastrophic event, or one of significant tactical or strategic importance, unfavorable to the enemy has occurred and the news has been hidden from the enemy public or troops.
The enemy government has denied or glossed over an event detrimental to its cause.

A double-cutting edge. This technique has a double-cutting edge: It increases the credibility of the US/friendly psychological operator while decreasing the credibility of the enemy to the enemy's target audience. Advanced security clearance must be obtained before using this technique so that operations or projects will not be jeopardized or compromised. Actually, propagandists using this technique will normally require access to special compartmented information and facilities to avoid compromise of other sensitive operations or projects of agencies of the US Government.
Though such news will be incredible to the enemy public, it should be given full play by the psychological operator. This event and its significance will eventually become known to the enemy public in spite of government efforts to hide it. The public will recall (the psychological operator will "help" the recall process) that the incredible news was received from US/a
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 12:03 PM
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85. Good stuff. You should post as new thread. nt
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:03 AM
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76. I'm pissed off at the people who are pissed off
At the people who are pissed off because others are pissed off
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:12 AM
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80. Now, that just pisses me off!
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:14 AM
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77. Will, the people have spoken:
Or so says my Mepublican brother on the phone yesterday. Yup, I wanted to strangle him.
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:39 AM
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79. Bill, seriously
Of all the people that would need to keep it together at this time, please let it be you. This is a fight on many fronts, the Bozo's in power and the unity of our party. You are someone so many of us look to for strength in these times.

We need you to buck up. We'll fall in line for you.

Please.

Signed - A Concerned Fan.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:35 AM
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82. Losers Syndrome, we have it. Makes us want to all stand up at once
and punch the guy to the left.

But, wait, there is Hope..... She was always there with her friends, Sanity and Reality. Dammit, they were at StoneCold licking ice cream and flirting with those boys from UpTown.....

No wonder we lost.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:36 AM
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83. The vote fraud would doom any candidate. And ALL of them would have been
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 11:37 AM by blm
Swift Boated somehow. Imagine Vietnam era Skilift operators for Truth.

The number one mistake is not getting enough public attention and outrage for electronic voting machines owned and operated by GOP partisans.

Number two was not noticing the marked increase in religious networks and programming that were acting as GOP campaign tools 24/7. There are EIGHT fulltime fundamentalist networks preaching politics in my area of North Carolina, and that doesn't even include the paid programming on regular broadcast networks or their regular Sunday morning religious programming.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:51 AM
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84. Hey! I was just kicked out of the "moderates" this week! So, I guess
I'm grumpier than usual. ;)

We'll all make it through...I'm still mostly pissed off that the farce continues.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 12:32 PM
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87. I'm ready to let loose with some agression myself, Will...
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 12:33 PM by Padraig18
It's just a question of who do I want to pimp slap the living bejesus out of FIRST, is all. Eenie, meenie, minee, moe...

;)
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:19 PM
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88. We are all pissed off, for all those reasons...
Not sure what to do other than cooling off and switch our brains back on after they're refreshed...
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:25 PM
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90. I agree.
Wonder if there's anyway Skinner can hang a sign that says "DU is closed for the holiday weekend" so we can all refocus, and come back later when we can play nice with each other ?

Some of these forums - and posters - are getting out of hand.


:hippie:
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:25 PM
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91. THIS IS A VERY SILLY LITTLE VENT--and it trivializes
Some of the bigger issues we have to deal with eventually.

Maybe you should just take a vacation or something, Will.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:27 PM
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93. I disagree. I think it's what we're all pissed off about. Sorry.
:hi:
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:28 PM
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94. Thank you, MrsG.
:hi:


:hippie:
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:49 PM
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98. I am not pissed at the Dean people...
Though I agree with Will's overdue suggestion that we were right--because we were.

Not that that makes me happy or anything--I worked day and night out here in PA to get Kerry elected.

I guess I am more depressed than angry, and I have no interest in fighting--at least in the terms Will has posted here.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:57 PM
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102. I understand that feeling as a Dean supporter who worked her bottom
off for Kerry. There is anger that needs to be worked through though. It's a good thing for the most part. Depression lurks behind my anger and I cannot and will not let it take over.
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:12 PM
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103. So did I, Ms G. Which is why I am sick of this fighting business.
I did not want Kerry for the nomination. Once he got it I supported him in every way possible and worked the polls till well after closing in my College Town district.

But now that it is all over, and I KNOW THAT DEAN WAS RIGHT, I can't see the point of fighting pointless battles--or of trivializing the very serious issues that confront us...



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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:20 PM
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106. Because if we don't fight...as evidenced by this campaign loss, we
will continue to lose. It is my strong belief that these fights will create a, shall we say, more perfect party. The way we have been going is a losing proposition. Let us fight our positions first...and then move on to the greater ring.
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:43 PM
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108. Agreed: We should fight the people who lead us to this defeat....
And we know who they are, right?

I think their advice is somthing we should be IGNORING right about now, yes?

Especially if they seek to divide us further for their own murky ends.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:31 PM
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95. LOL
I was just going to say that Will's post not a very good basis to start a fight upon, since it's impossible to disagree with more than a half of it... But I guess you've done it.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:45 PM
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96. pzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzcheeeeeeeeeeeezzzzz
Is that a better 'vent'?

:eyes:
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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:51 PM
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99. Yes. I like this one fine.
It is much more eloquent and consistent and leaves the reader with much more room for interpretation. Thanks.
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Reality Not Tin Foil Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:26 PM
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92. Well then, break-out the Chef-Boy-Are-Dee cans!!
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:48 PM
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97. wait till tonight
you'll be even more pissed off when the Pats lose and my Jets are only 1 game behind you guys. :evilgrin:

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Mr.Green93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:53 PM
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100. tomorrow is another day
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 03:55 PM
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101. I'm
pissed off in the morning as soon as I open my eyes until I lay my head down at night. Other than that, I'm fine (I'm beginning to forget what life was like before all this crap).
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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:18 PM
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104. I'm pissed off too. n/t
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:19 PM
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105. I am pissed that democracy is gone, disctatorship is here.
The process of people coming to terms with it HAS to be painful
http://robbedvoter.forclark.com/story/2004/11/19/125843/98
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:49 PM
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109. Will did you get your head X-rayed?
after that wallopin'?

A good head smack can turn you into someone else.. one of my old school pals turned into Elvis.. :)

I don't think I could ever have the Chef Boyrdee around again without getting the shakes.. like when I see NUNS.. <shiver>..

glad you're okay, let's all remember that any day that you get up, and you can breathe and walk and aren't in pain is a good one..

anything more than that is gravy.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 04:53 PM
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110. I thought those were your dulcet tones, WillPitt
Don't bottle up your anger like that--after all, there might be some people 50 miles away who didn't hear you. :crazy:

Just kidding. Amen.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:59 PM
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111. Nice post Will
I am pissed off that despite all of our good efforts, I get to hear "president Bush" for another 4 years.

I think we ran a good campaign. People should be able to feel proud of what they did and why they got involved. I have never seen the number of workers and volunteers as I did at the local Kerry HQ on election day.

The result was not what we desired, but it was not due to apathy. Everyone I knew both gave a damn and were working very hard to win.

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