As much as I hate to say it...I hope Carville is right.

[rpannier]

James Carville said, "America is in for a real civics lesson here." He believes the scrub admin will appoint anti-abortion judges across the board in an attempt to overturn Roe v. Wade. That those judges will attempt to make the United States a "christian nation" and the judges will reject any laws that expand civil rights, personal liberties, and that attempt to control corporate abuses.
In the 80's Reagan and scrub I were constrained by a Democratic controlled congress. Hence we got, Anthony Kennedy, Sandra Day O'Connor and David Souter whose records on the court has held up pretty well.
I hope Carville's right. Because it's the only way people are going to see that we were right. Most of my old guard conservative friends are saying, "No... He won't do that! You're just whining because you lost."

[Warpy]

1. Right, it's going to get a whole lot worse

before it gets any better. It's fun watching the fools try to spin the appointments of Rice and Gonzales (arguably the two worst people for the jobs) and the party purge at the CIA.

When those particular chickens start coming home to roost, perhaps even the pundits will find themselves the beneficiaries of first hand civics lessons.

[shance]

15. Whats amazing to me, is Kerry won, so why does it need to get worse?

Unlike Gore, who fought it out essentially by himself until he could do no more, Kerry had an army of attorneys and more importantly a majority of Americans, both Democrats and Republicans who supported him.

This is not a post to ignite debate. It is to figure out the truth and find some solutions as to how we got here. Democratic Leadership is not asking the crucial questions that need to be asked because they are stuck in a mindset fearful of confronting the questions that must be asked irregardless of political affiliation. It does however have everything to do with moral affiliation.

As a result, for whatever his reasoning, Kerry's choice to concede is a perplexing one, that has placed our country in this position where we are facing four more years of an Administration who could potentially ruin this nation.

I say this now with less criticism (than I did previously) and more with honest concern of how did we get to a place where our own leader who Im sure wanted to be president, didnt want it enough to fight for it? How willing are all of us, as Americans, to fight for this country is an equally fair question.

I say this because I believe it is important to go to the root and underlying true sources of the problems in order to find solutions to the problems we are now facing.

I think rather than the safe route that Carville took, the more important question is, why did Kerry concede when he didn't have to?

Did he feel overwhelmed by an extremist group of bullies?

How do we as Democrats and Americans in general learn from another illegitimate election and promote an environment where good, moral leaders can effectively run for president and WIN and know they will be supported, defended and protected by our laws, by the truth and by the American citizens at large?


How do we protect good people so that they will run for office and not be fearful of the toxic slander that comes from immoral individuals who have no interest other than winning at any cost?

How do we protect our leaders and ourselves from any over zealous power driven group that does not have the highest interest of our nation?

In the end, it has very little to do with political parties.

It has everything to do with the simple truth and whats in the highest good of this nation. We had many Republicans voting for Kerry. Why? Not because they were Democrats. hey were people who wanted to see a different leader and one who was not as extreme as this one.

The answer is simple, but not always easy. But it is simple.

It is our job to inform other Americans of the facts and ultimately the truth. We must tell the facts, and tell the truth. We must continue to call this election for what it is and stay on it like a pit bull on a mailman's leg. Why? Because these horrific actions are now being enacted IN OUR NAME. This country is in a moral crisis and we cant afford the luxury of "appropriate" topics of conversation. This Administration has engaged in the most inappropriate and immoral actions this country has ever been subjected to and are we going to allow it IN OUR NAME?

Because like it or not, its in our name now. Its in every single Americans name now and we aren't the ones doing it. We better care enough about that to overlook the fact that the loudmouths who fear the truth will call us every name in the book. We must search for the truth, support and reward those that are courageous enough to show the facts and tell the truth. We must place a boycott on lies. We must boycott advertisers that contribute to media conglomerates that promote the lies.

Its not the easiest things these days, but it is the one sure fire guarantee that each time we do it, we get a little closer to taking our nation back, not to mention of course we are doing the right thing.

We need to REFUSE to tolerate lies and misleading information and do what we can to prevent it from becoming conventional thought, no matter who or what Political party it involves.

I think we have gotten to a place where political parties are irrelevant. If Americans truly are willing to value the truth over anything else, this could be one of our finest hours, where true Americans transcend all political affliliation and division and work together as citizens united in taking our nation back from the lies that have gotten us to this place. It will take alot of courage, but I believe most American have the courage.

How do we do that? By building our communities and neighborhoods with friends that value the truth and value a moral, ethical society, irregardless of political party.

I believe part of the answer is for us as DU'ers and Democrats, AND Republicans, etc. not in Washington D.C. to defend and support wholeheartedly all the good leaders who take the right action, and we need to BECOME the good leaders ourselves.

*Good leaders need other good leaders by their sides*

[tmooses]

2. I think we all knew what was at stake in this election..

and appointing ultra-conservative judges to the Supreme court was just one of many issues. If there's anybody out there who doesn't believe Bush is driven by theo-corporate agenda they're in for a big surprise. But if you don't see what's happening by now, you must be either totally blind or just don't care.

[seabeyond]

3. they are starting out pretty good, i agree

we just may need to let the shit fly.

talking to a catholic texas friend that voted bush. first time. telling her some things, she says if this is true i would know it. gotta listen darlin, you dont listen. it is all there for you to see

shut her up. told her bush is so bad there are duh's all over the place

[Mist]

4. The learning curve is going to be exremely sharp

for a lot of people. "Let all the poisons in the mud hatch out."
(from "I, Claudius")

[hyperium]

5. Who knows what they'll do..

It's been said that the repubs don't actually want to overturn Roe v. Wade because they'd lose one of their most potent issues to use against us. I guess we'll see in the next few years whether that's true or not.

[ktowntennesseedem]

6. I wish he was dead wrong; better in the long run if he's right

It's going to get worse, much worse probably, before it ever gets better. And it needs to happen as soon as possible. The quicker the bottom falls out, the bigger the shock value will be and the more potential to wake folks up to the mess we're in. But not only that, I don't think I can stand it to see our country slowing sink deeper and deeper into the mudpit this administration has dug for us.

[ktowntennesseedem]

7. Oops, duplicate post, having some PC problems tonight

[indigobusiness]

8. If Hitler had prevailed

would the Nazi regime have ultimately self-destructed? I'd like to think so, but who can be sure?

[ktowntennesseedem]

9. Duplicate post number 2!

[autorank]

10. People get the government they deserve.

It doesn't take a genius to know that our deficit is untenable, our effort in Iraq is a disaster, and we have no respect around the world and the *'ies have only about 25% of the public at home. Yet nearly half of American's didn't vote. I don't blame the * supporters, who are just 25% of the voting population. They are idiots. It's the whiners that sit home and say, "They're all the same" or "They're all a bunch of crooks." Fine, let them eat the *hit sandwich that they made for all of us. And of course, our Democratic leaders will be the hand maidens to the coming collapse of civil liberties, the economy, and the environment. They can all go take a huge hike off of a short pier. Harry Reedrum, Tom Knapsack, Nancy Pugliosi...weak, weaker, weakest. Truly pathetic. We are destroyed, face it. It's time to begin the long march back and arise from the ashes. When we come back, it will be with such a wave, we can impeach the Insane Clown Posse on the Supreme Court and make sure the corporate media and their owners stroll down the avenue of lost dreams.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[DuaneBidoux]

11. I desperately hope Carville is wrong

Study how FDR packed the courts for 15 years under his four administrations. The result was all kinds of progress-weekends, 40 hour work weeks, social security, unemployment insurance, job safety laws. Later the Repukes gained power in both legislative and executive branch and started trying, year after year after year to roll back the progress of FDR. But they couldn't because all FDR's judges kept ruling the laws unconstitutional.

So here is the bottom line: if Bush gets the courts stacked it is game set and match. It's over. It's over for 40 years. It won't matter how many progressives or dems we nominate and elect-the courts will rule their laws unconstitional. Think FDR in reverse, for 40 years.

What kinds of things will we then see: literal religious wars (study the conflicts between religions before religion was removed from the public sphere. Etc. It was ugly back in these "glorious" times the Christofascists remember. It would be ugly again, and for a very very long time.

[mitchum]

12. He should know, since his bitch of a wife probably talks in her sleep

[Toby109]

13. He is probably right

Shrub II has tried to outdo Poppy at every turn. He has embraced the evangelical right, cut taxes in spite of looming deficits, overthrown Saddam, etc. Now he has almost complete control of all three branches of government and is consolidating his power with new appointments. Roe v. Wade is next. Condi will be a unique castastrophe.

[valis]

14. You know what? I don't give a damn. I'm pissed at everybody

Right now... I'm a white man, not young enough to be drafted... I've been pushing for all sorts of civil rights, but essentially, at this point I've reached the conclusion that it is up to the people whose rights are been challanged the most to stand up and fucking vote accordingly. If they don't there is not much we can do. Let them lose those rights and see how they like it.

[Bake]

16. An acquaintance of mine (R) works for Sen. Cochran (MS -R)

He things Smirk will be much more moderate in a second term.

I keep asking him, "What the hell makes you think THAT???" Certainly not any recent appointments, or the resignations flying around lately. All I see is a hard right turn.

I think it's wishful thinking on his part -- he knows that a hard right turn, which we're seeing, will be the doom of the Republican party. His boss is fairly moderate, best friends with Ted Kennedy, etc.

I say, let 'em do what they will. They'll overreach. It will be the end of the Republican Party, if not the entire conservative "movement."

Bake

[Flammable Materials]

17. IT'S GONNA GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS WORSE n/t